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permalink #51 of 84: Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:54
permalink #51 of 84: Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:54
Now, whether or not Abel really withheld that info from Cain, or whether Cain simply rejected or ignored it, we don't know. I'd like to think that Abel was a good witness before he died. For Cain to be murderous, is an indication of a deeper issue. He would not have gone into exile if he didn't actually kill Abel. Perhaps he should have sat beneath his fig tree and prayed.
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permalink #52 of 84: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Sat 21 Apr 07 07:46
permalink #52 of 84: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Sat 21 Apr 07 07:46
Nice analysis of MHSUT, but we'll never know if it's right. As mentioned, RH is a Wizard of Ambiquity and those that love his work are often permitted and required to paint them with our own meanings. Still, you've illuminated it well with your vision.
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permalink #53 of 84: Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Sat 21 Apr 07 19:35
permalink #53 of 84: Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Sat 21 Apr 07 19:35
Yeah, I kinda took the story beyond the lyrics a little. These lyrics seem to tell of living folks, or at least they are living lyrics, ideas having lives of their own (like Jerry's guitar notes as he once said). I always wonder what happens to these characters after the song leaves them. I especially wonder that about Jack Straw. What the heck does he do now that his friend and traveling companion was hung and laid in a shallow grave? He probably went to some small town in Mexico to hide out for a while.
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permalink #54 of 84: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Sun 22 Apr 07 08:51
permalink #54 of 84: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Sun 22 Apr 07 08:51
Well, allowing the listener to wander around his or her own world to find their own meaning in the words is sort'a Hunter's MO. I figure that's a good part of why the songs are so precious to us. I like the notion of continuing the story of his characters after the song fades or swirls into another. I often have to stop myself in my own lyric writing from copping to blatantly from him and his themes and characters. another Hunter, Thompson, poses the same problem for me in my prose. But it's funny that you mention Jack Straw. It's one of the few lyrics that I've heard him speak explicitly about in terms of setting. He once remarked that what he had in mind was two Depression era down n' outers hitchin' a ride on train, having some unspecified falling out. After Straw kills his buddy, he takes what little money the poor fellow had. I remember being kind'a shocked that he would reveal so much of what he was thinking as he wrote. But back to the original point you made, most people see some sort of cowboy movie in the song. I used to and sometimes still do. But, mainly, today it is linked to a tragic, desperate moments in my life and those of my departed best friend, and young Lisa who died at the hands of a drifter in Vermont. The lyric is open enough to be made our own. Hunter has a certain knack for that.
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permalink #55 of 84: Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Sun 22 Apr 07 13:35
permalink #55 of 84: Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Sun 22 Apr 07 13:35
I'm sorry to hear about those tragedies in your life, expecially Lisa. It's a solid thing that the Dead gives us these songs and lyrics to help deal. It is quite amazing, really. A certain song can speak to you in ways that it seem to heal (and many other things beside), or at least give hope of healing. The sympathy I find in Jerry's voice, the commonality I find in Hunter's lyrics really is medicine. Lots of Bobby/Barlow songs do that too. For me, Black Throated Wind is such a song. It speaks to me about my marriage. And the song ends with me going back home to the one I truly love (of course I never really left, but you know what I mean). There was quite a round of discussion concerning Jack Straw a while ago about whether or not Jack killed his buddy or whether the fuzz finally caught up with 'em and hung Shannon, Jack somehow escaping the same fate. "Jack Straw from Whicita cut his buddy down." Does "cut" mean kill or cut down from a hangman's noose was the pivotal point in the discussion. However, MHSUT has been very precious to me of late. Many of us feel "marked" from birth (whether our literal birth or our metaphoric "birth"), a certain feeling of destiny, direction, unavoidable notions. And to know we're half-steppin' down a well worn trail is certainly comforting to say the least! I've noticed two different drum beats on it too. One double time, and one half time, or however you might say it. I'm always partial to the slower of the two. It lets me ease into it better, the beat is more spread out, easier to weave in and out of.
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permalink #56 of 84: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Wed 25 Apr 07 15:13
permalink #56 of 84: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Wed 25 Apr 07 15:13
Very nice thoughts.
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permalink #57 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 10 May 07 07:46
permalink #57 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 10 May 07 07:46
Just to lower the tone of this discussion, Half-Step is a nickname I have encountered in Bermuda, where just about every male seems to have one. It refers to the gait adopted when making a quick exit with the trousers around the ankles.
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permalink #58 of 84: Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Thu 10 May 07 08:04
permalink #58 of 84: Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Thu 10 May 07 08:04
Oh, boy! Old Cain caught with his pants down. Now that is something!
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permalink #59 of 84: David Dodd (ddodd) Tue 15 May 07 17:05
permalink #59 of 84: David Dodd (ddodd) Tue 15 May 07 17:05
That is fabulous! Geez, when will I ever get to update the annotated lyrics book? This would be a definite entry... Meanwhile, Robin, with your permission, I'd like to include your note in the annotations on the website--ok by you?
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permalink #60 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 21 May 07 07:52
permalink #60 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 21 May 07 07:52
Sure thing David. Goes for anything I post.
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permalink #61 of 84: David Dodd (ddodd) Mon 21 May 07 19:32
permalink #61 of 84: David Dodd (ddodd) Mon 21 May 07 19:32
Thanks!
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permalink #62 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Tue 2 Oct 07 06:34
permalink #62 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Tue 2 Oct 07 06:34
In respect to the ship coming in, a passage on illicit trades conducted by Bermudians (typically a white captain commanding a crew including black slaves) in the early eighteenth century from Packwood's seminal treatise on slavery in Bermuda: "Often, they lured unsuspecting vessels to their graves on these remote islands; then stripped the disabled ships of everything they could carry away - cargo, rigging, sails, loose planks, etc. These items were easily disposed of at Curacao, St Eustatius, St Thomas and the French Islands. If the price was right, the Bermudian sloop itself, might be sold. Intercourse, with known pirates, constituted the chief illicit trade." Cyril Outerbridge Packwood, "Chained to the Rock", Eliseo Torres & Sons NY / Baxter's Ltd Hamilton, Bermuda, 1975, p. 47 So maybe the verse refers to false lights, deliberate wrecking and pillage? "When your ship comes in" may not be a virtuous circumstance at all.
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permalink #63 of 84: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Tue 2 Oct 07 10:53
permalink #63 of 84: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Tue 2 Oct 07 10:53
Oh, the irony and ambiguity double-play again! Nice.
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permalink #64 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Wed 3 Oct 07 06:26
permalink #64 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Wed 3 Oct 07 06:26
Oops, make that "Chained on the Rock" in post 62 above. I am starting to get a handle on this song after about three years of trying to play it. It has always been one of my favourites, and I am getting a better understanding of why: the ragtime meets rock 'n' roll of the music and the just out of reach implications of the lyric. Great improvising potential. Plus one of the greatest opening lines, of course.
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permalink #65 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 1 Mar 10 05:39
permalink #65 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 1 Mar 10 05:39
I have been thinking about Half Step some more. The "farewell to you old southern skies" brings to mind the exodus from the south of the United States, particularly the Mississippi basin, as farming became mechanised. Inevitably the journey was north, especially towards the great industrial centres of Chicago and Detroit. Yet the refrain is "across the Rio Grandee-o", a journey to the south. The tone also changes with the refrain, to a more reflective, resigned mood. Has something happened? Has a crime been committed, so that the hopeful journey north has become a flight to the south instead?
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permalink #66 of 84: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 1 Mar 10 07:26
permalink #66 of 84: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 1 Mar 10 07:26
I read it as a journey from the south to the *further* south of Mexico. I.e., away from the southern United States to the very different culture and setting down Mexico way. I think it's a variation on the old "on the lam across the border" motif, with one of a long series of Hunter's ne'er-do-well narrators. You're right, though, in that we don't really know why it's happening, & the clues are pretty sparse.
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permalink #67 of 84: David Gans (tnf) Mon 1 Mar 10 09:30
permalink #67 of 84: David Gans (tnf) Mon 1 Mar 10 09:30
I suspect it's got more to do with Hunter coming back to the Bay Area after a sojourn in New Mexico. Referred to in our 1977 interview.
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permalink #68 of 84: David Gans (tnf) Mon 1 Mar 10 09:30
permalink #68 of 84: David Gans (tnf) Mon 1 Mar 10 09:30
The Rio Grande runs through Albuquerque, y'know.
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permalink #69 of 84: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 1 Mar 10 09:58
permalink #69 of 84: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 1 Mar 10 09:58
Of course, the autobiographical is never the only vector of meaning in any of these songs.
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permalink #70 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 1 Mar 10 11:33
permalink #70 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 1 Mar 10 11:33
Hmmm. Mississippi doesn't sound too south of the border, nor does rock and rye.
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permalink #71 of 84: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 1 Mar 10 11:55
permalink #71 of 84: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 1 Mar 10 11:55
I do, you realize, live close enough to Mississippi and have been there often enough to be very well aware that it's not "south of the border." By the same token, the Rio Grande goes nowhere near Mississippi. It's a pretty enigmatic song, even the title -- the words "Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodle-oo" all make sense individually, but don't really parse as a traditionally meaningful phrase (nor are they repeated in that order in the song itself). By the end of the song, we know that the south is involved somehow, that a departure from the south is taking place, that a half a cup of rock & rye factor in, and that the Rio Grande is being (or is going to be) crossed. In the reading that I'm sort of pushing here, the protagonist, for reasons that are not known but that might have something to do with a crime, leaves Mississippi and heads south (and, obviously, west) to cross the Rio Grande into Mexico.
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permalink #72 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 1 Mar 10 12:04
permalink #72 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 1 Mar 10 12:04
Yes, Gary, I am also inclined to that reading. My south of the border doubt is in respect of David's suggestion that it might have something to do with Hunter's homecoming from Mexico.
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permalink #73 of 84: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 1 Mar 10 12:18
permalink #73 of 84: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 1 Mar 10 12:18
The New Mexico angle is interesting, for sure, especially in light of details like silver mines.
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permalink #74 of 84: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 1 Mar 10 12:18
permalink #74 of 84: Gary Burnett (jera) Mon 1 Mar 10 12:18
(Sorry to have been a bit snippy in my reply -- this damn broken kneecap makes me periodically grumpy for no good reason.)
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permalink #75 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 1 Mar 10 12:31
permalink #75 of 84: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 1 Mar 10 12:31
Yikes, sounds like a good reason to me.
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