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permalink #351 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 14 Mar 01 14:42
permalink #351 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 14 Mar 01 14:42
From the guy with the busted computer: ====== Failed miserably to get online at all today. Razzing snazzing razzing grumphumph dick dastardly, etc. I wonder if Compuserve still has its Lynx-type text only internet browser capability. I bet it has it somewhere, but not easily accessable from a menu any more. Lessee -- Well stuff... ..... Jinx -- you know, as a young author, it seemed whenever I'd turn up at a signing in LA there would be a gentleman with a camera and a tape recorder at the back of the room, filming the procedings. "Don't worry," he'd say. "I'm not stalking you." And Michelle didn't make it to favorite stalker status because of her cuteness or otherwise. She did it mostly from inventiveness. It's never just books, with Michelle. It's license plate holders that she needs signed and suchlike odd things. Which would be tiring if everybody did it, but the occasional weird thing to sign is always fun. (And I think I told my favorite things-to-sign stories on the late lamented topic 73, so will not bore everyone by telling them again here.) By the way, if there's anyone out there who's been reading the Americangods.com journal and has any questions, e-mail them to Linda or one of the other people who you see up on Inkwell.vue and they'll post them here for me to answer.) best n
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permalink #352 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Wed 14 Mar 01 15:28
permalink #352 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Wed 14 Mar 01 15:28
Jouni - Forgiven. I'll just have to find someone with art skills to get you back. ;-P. Honestly, the hedge-trimmer pic is one of my favourites ever. I may have to print it out for the Thingie Museum in my BM Camp this year. Neil - heheh, you called Walker a 'gentleman'. Don't know why it seems so funny, but it does. Probably the cold meds. Wait 'til you see what you're signing this time around (don't worry, not the leg) O:-D BTW, Bill (I think it was Bill) found one of the AG proofs up at ebay already. Didn't take long at all! squeaks, who will go back to being sick in bed now.
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permalink #353 of 2008: Walker (nightwalker) Wed 14 Mar 01 15:50
permalink #353 of 2008: Walker (nightwalker) Wed 14 Mar 01 15:50
Neat! I'm a gentleman now! Neil - Ok... well, I'm not a stalker, but I've been referred to as the Most Polite Stalker... and one should never worry when a genial guy says 'Don't worry... I'm not stalking you.' It's when that same guy turns up in Florida, and Minneapolis... and when you suddenly remember him from signings in Boston... and at ComicCon... All right fine. Michelle - I can be a gentleman. Honest... and there's nothing wrong with Sharp & Pointies being taken everywhere. Jinx - ...which... Denny's story? (Why am I afriad?) <waves to all the other people he knows> Oh yeah, I'm here! -- Walker! --
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permalink #354 of 2008: Seth Freilich (ceymick) Wed 14 Mar 01 15:54
permalink #354 of 2008: Seth Freilich (ceymick) Wed 14 Mar 01 15:54
Hi all, I'm a fairly new reader of the conversation, and when I have something more important to say, I will. But just wanted to say hola and make my presence known, in case one of you saw me reading from around the corner and started to suspect that I was yet another stalker (which of course, I am, but it seems that stalkers are less harmful if they announce their presence). -- s (going back behind his bushes)
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permalink #355 of 2008: For Lent I gave up All Hope... (erynn-miles) Wed 14 Mar 01 16:10
permalink #355 of 2008: For Lent I gave up All Hope... (erynn-miles) Wed 14 Mar 01 16:10
There isn't anyone from the Cleveland, OH area here, is there? I need to move somewhere more exciting. . . But Cali's expensive,isn't it? Neil and Martha- I was just wondering: how old were you when you got your first story published? Have you ever been rejected? I'm just curious because I'm beginning to worry that I'll never get pubished:( feeling abnormal and sucky . . . Dan-yeah, the last time I went to Denny's I almost broke a tooth while eating the steak (and I ordered it medium, even.) Hi Seth.
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permalink #356 of 2008: Tara (taragl) Wed 14 Mar 01 19:40
permalink #356 of 2008: Tara (taragl) Wed 14 Mar 01 19:40
An uncorrected proof of American Gods went up for auction on eBay today. Rather fast, wasn't it? I recall from the AG site that they just arrived the other day. <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1416761180> Neil, does it bother you at all when things like this are sold? I wonder how much this will sell for... Tara
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permalink #357 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 14 Mar 01 19:42
permalink #357 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 14 Mar 01 19:42
Well, I sold my first story when I was 26, having decided that not selling a story by the time I was 15 meant I could never be Michael Moorcock. But I think R.A. Lafferty was in the neighborhood of 50 when he sold his first. The legend is that he sent in a story as a young man and got a rejection that said "Go live some more life, and write more stories after that," and did just that. My golly, who doesn't get rejection slips? Still? (Neil probably doesn't still.) The first dozen-odd stories I _sold_ all were rejected three or four or eight times before I placed them.
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permalink #358 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Wed 14 Mar 01 20:44
permalink #358 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Wed 14 Mar 01 20:44
Erynn - My roommate is from Cleveland. "There's nothing interesting. The few things downtown that one might consider interesting aren't worth all the one way streets. If you can find coventry park near shaker heights there's some good things along that street or at least there were several years ago." We now live in southwest Ohio. Lots more bookstores down here, which I find very exciting, but my roommate informs me that that makes me borderline insane. "Bookstores are all well and good but you can't read constantly." Now that my quarter is over and spring break is here, I intend to prove him very very wrong. Welcome Seth! Happy belateds Linda! Jen, who went to the library three times today.
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permalink #359 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 14 Mar 01 23:31
permalink #359 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 14 Mar 01 23:31
Again from the English person: ====== Got bloody Netzero working for the first time (normally it doesn't even try to connect) -- god knows how -- so rapidly posted a blogger thing for the journal about today. & then the connection died. But there is hope. Elise -- as you'll have gathered from Martha's posting the memorial website, I'm afraid Jenna never regained consciousness. I believe they are starting a fund up to pay her leftover medical expenses, and to help pay for her younger sister's college. Michelle -- you are much too kind. I don't get the rock star thing at all (get in the sense of understand). The only times it's happened unexpectedly, it's scared the living daylights out of me -- I remember after a Tori gig in Blackburg Virginia walking Charles Vess back to his car, and we nipped out through the stage door. And all of a sudden four hundred girls started screaming "Neil! omigod it's NEIL!!!!" at me. Charlie thought it hilarious, of course, but then, he is easily amused by my discomfiture. ... While I think of it: Darkling, in the meaning not of being dark but of growing dark. It's in the dictionary, but Fowler frowns upon it. Any opinions? ... Jade -- yes. Speak up, speak clearly, project, slow down, and try and read it like you hear it in your head. If you have a mike, use it to control volume while still being audible. And work the pauses. That's everything I know. ... Jouni -- look forward to seeing it when I can get a reliable internet connection. ... Dan -- it might do. But it's a compuserve connection, and they usually just work. (And it's the same number I dial to send this e-mail through an old DOS pgm to martha soukup.) I'll try a few different CIS connections in the area and see if they work. Trevor -- AKA Walker -- welcome. Erynn -- I was just 24, I think, when I sold my first story. I already had a rejected children's book (memo to self, go into basement & find mss & burn it) and a dozen or more rejected short stories. I don't think I was much good at the time I got accepted -- it was THE CASE OF THE FOUR AND TWENTY BLACKBIRDS (in Angels & Visitations and also reprinted in the Second Mammoth book of Comic Fantasy). I wasn't anything more than promising for another three or four years. Tara -- at least it's the UK edition, which isn't missing the last chapter. I was sad that it hadn't been read, though. And yes, it bothers me a bit. Not much that one can do about it at this point. Martha -- I think Lafferty was 40 when he began writing professionally, 70 when he stopped. The astonishing thing is how fast he became Lafferty -- when you read the Early Lafferty stories, you read these perfectly constructed tales which are just like anyone else's. Then, very very quickly they grow magnificently, beautifully, astoundingly wonky. There are two Lafferty lines in American Gods - not lines that he wrote, just lines that feel like the way he used to think. One is from the conversation in Cairo that goes: "Depends. Back in my day, we had it all set up. You lined up when you died, and you answered for your evil deeds and for your good deeds, and if your evil deeds outweighed a feather we'd feed your soul and your heart to Ammet, the Eater of Souls." "He must have eaten a lot of people." "Not as many as you'd think. It was a really heavy feather. We had it made special. You had to be pretty damn evil to tip the scales on that baby." and the other gives away too much plot to post here. By the time I started selling stories I was painfully aware that Chip Delany had published 8 novels by the time he was my age. And that four of those 8 novels were brilliant. I don't get rejection slips any more, but I only write about one story that nobody's actually waiting for every three or four years or more (let's see: 'Snow, Glass, Apples' in 1994, which I did as a chapbook, Dawnie Morningside's story in 1995 or 6 which remained unpublished until SMOKE AND MIRRORS, and the short-short last week, which F&SF took by return of e-mail, and which I called 'Afterlife' and didn't like the title of, and Gordon Van Gelder suggested calling it 'Other People', as he already has a story called 'Afterlife'); and i have the other problem -- even if I write something that doesn't quite work, editors are happy to take it because they get to put my name on their book. Which means I'm never sure if it really WAS any good. Jen, of course you can read constantly. If you're dedicated it takes walking forehead-first into more than one lamp-post to stop you reading while walking in the street. Seth -- welcome. Linda, Jon & Dave, hope you don't get inundated with sudden questions and such. You probably won't. If you do, um. Oops.
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permalink #360 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 14 Mar 01 23:31
permalink #360 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 14 Mar 01 23:31
Me, I want Lafferty to have been 50 when he started. Then I could still be precocious.
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permalink #361 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Thu 15 Mar 01 00:12
permalink #361 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Thu 15 Mar 01 00:12
Hello! My computer is being nuts as well. :( Just thought I'd stop by while I can (I'm on a computer at school...don't ask why I'm stuck here at 3 in the morning), say hi, and welcome Seth and Walker. Warm fuzzies to all. Angelina
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permalink #362 of 2008: cranky (gorey) Thu 15 Mar 01 00:27
permalink #362 of 2008: cranky (gorey) Thu 15 Mar 01 00:27
I've been reading while walking down the street since elementary school, which used to drive my mother batty. Also, Neil, I think your friend finds your discomfiture funny because embarrassed English people are inherently funny.
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permalink #363 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 15 Mar 01 05:10
permalink #363 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 15 Mar 01 05:10
An effective reading-while-walking defense system can be created by sweeping your feet in a gentle arc in front of you as you walk.
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permalink #364 of 2008: Tara Gillet-Liloia (taragl) Thu 15 Mar 01 06:00
permalink #364 of 2008: Tara Gillet-Liloia (taragl) Thu 15 Mar 01 06:00
gorey - There must be some truth to your assertion about embarrassed English people because I involuntarily smiled just reading your post. I had to abandon the idea of reading constantly because I get violently ill when I read in the car. And I've found that audiobooks can either be incredibly good or painfully awful. Tara
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permalink #365 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Thu 15 Mar 01 08:18
permalink #365 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Thu 15 Mar 01 08:18
I've just sort of gotten used to the bruises I associate with reading while walking. I still have a nice dent in my leg from a couple of months ago. Picked up a Pinkwater book in the library, started reading, and about 30 seconds letter slammed my leg into one of those metal step stool things. The only thing I find really hard is reading while walking down stairs. Anyway, Price is Right is on. I have to go watch Bob Barker torture a few poor souls. Jen, who is trying to decide between Soldier of Arete and House of Leaves for today.
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permalink #366 of 2008: The music's played by the (madman) Thu 15 Mar 01 08:49
permalink #366 of 2008: The music's played by the (madman) Thu 15 Mar 01 08:49
Reading in a moving car makes me ill. Reading while driving just strikes me as a bad idea, so needless to say I don't read all the time. (Wanting to get paid for my work also threw a monkeywrench in the scheme.) I finished Donnerjack last night (Roger Zelazny's penultimate book, finished posthumously, cowritten by Jane Lindskald- I'm not sure if she finishes it when he passed on or if they were cowriting it the whole way), and it was really good. I know there are some Zelazny fans here so I thought I'd mention. I haven't decided what to read next yet. Need to pick it out soon, I have a dentist appointment in 45 minutes and need something to read.
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permalink #367 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Thu 15 Mar 01 09:00
permalink #367 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Thu 15 Mar 01 09:00
Erynn - Yes, it's entirely too expensive out here in Calif. At least in the Bay Area. I'm paying $850 for a one bedroom apartment in (admittedly a very nice part of) Oakland and I consider myself to be an extremely fortunate person. And why am I not that surprised to hear about your nasty Denny's experience. More and more I try to avoid national chain restaurants. There is so much good food to be had here, why go mainstream? Neil - In my last show I got to play an impossibly romantic and charming 16th century courtier and got screamed at by one teenage girl after a particularly good night. It was a shade more discomfiting than flattering (and I'm not even british...although I've been mistaken for one of you lot on more than one occassion). So, let's see... take that one experience and amp it up to 400 .... Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard... I'm amazed you didn't turn tail and run! Re: publishing stories - I'm probably taking the easy way out and just publishing the few short stories I write on my site. Barely anybody ever reads them, but more do than if I tried submitting them to lots of places that would reject me. The only person who decides if its rubbish or not is me... which is both a good and a bad thing. Although, I've been posting short church skits that I wrote almost a decade ago (it's a long story), and have gotten e-mail from a couple of folks telling me that they're using them in their services... so I guess my stuff can't suck too terribly.
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permalink #368 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Thu 15 Mar 01 11:25
permalink #368 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Thu 15 Mar 01 11:25
The true secret to reading and walking is not holding the book too high so that you can keep a watch on the upcoming scenery. I would constantly read in high school and have gotten pretty good at reading while pushing my way through crowded hallways. My computer is feeling better! Yay!
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permalink #369 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Thu 15 Mar 01 11:29
permalink #369 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Thu 15 Mar 01 11:29
Thanks to <stagewalker> for the excellent pseud.
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permalink #370 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 15 Mar 01 12:17
permalink #370 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 15 Mar 01 12:17
I think Neil meant this for here: ====== Puzzled in computerland says: I've discovered one odd thing: if I'm on the notebook's batteries, and I try and use dial-up networking, and hit the "Engine Already Started" message that I shouldn't ever get under normal circumstances (according to the helpful help screen), the battery immediately and completely discharges. It did it last night and I thought, how odd, I thought I had a couple of hours left. It did it today and I watched it go from a 98% full battery (3 hrs and 10 mins to go) to an empty one in a second. Is this weird, or what?
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permalink #371 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Thu 15 Mar 01 12:26
permalink #371 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Thu 15 Mar 01 12:26
Yes, it's weird. ...I hope you weren't expecting anything more constructive outta me.
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permalink #372 of 2008: Daniel Lofton (daniellofton) Thu 15 Mar 01 12:29
permalink #372 of 2008: Daniel Lofton (daniellofton) Thu 15 Mar 01 12:29
I remember recently riding in a car with my roommate and seeing somebody walking along, reading and saying to him, "That's what I like to see." Think the last book I read while walking was a Pinkwater book, although I can't recall and bruisings.
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permalink #373 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Thu 15 Mar 01 12:35
permalink #373 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Thu 15 Mar 01 12:35
I used to read while riding a bike. This was a long time ago, back when I was in middle school or so. One day I was biking home from my friend's house- he lived at the top of a hill, and I at the bottom. So I'd cruise down the hill, no hands, reading a book. Then one day I looked up and saw a tractor trailor coming. I resolved to pay a bit more attention at high speeds at that point.
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permalink #374 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 15 Mar 01 13:45
permalink #374 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 15 Mar 01 13:45
Ha! I got it to work (irritating Netzero again, which mostly doesn't work, but if it does it doesn't wait 90 seconds and drop the connection). I really just came on to make sure that no-one thought that Martha had kidnapped me, for she hasn't. On the other hand, I looked in the mirror today and realised I'd crossed the fine divide between 'hasn't shaved' and 'looks a lot like Che Guevara'. Out of interest, is anyone here going to be at ICFA in Ft lauderdale next week? And no, I don't expect anyone to solve the mysteries of my computer for me. I was just commenting on the strangeness of the world we live in. No opinions about darkling? Or discomfiture? E-mail from my goddaughter's mum this morning with track listings for the new album. It's frustrating to know I have to wait until probably July when I'm in the UK to hear any of it. Okay. Back to the Death script.
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permalink #375 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Thu 15 Mar 01 14:11
permalink #375 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Thu 15 Mar 01 14:11
Darkling... I like the word. I know someone who goes by it in a role playing context. But when I say I like the word I more mean I like the combination of letters, as until your post I didn't know it had a real meaning. (I had assumed my friend was using Darkling as a construction similar to Hatchling and the like...) So, chalk one up to improved vocabulary. I would have understood darkening, but then I like tossing obscure words at people, so mark me down as undecided.
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