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permalink #601 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Mon 26 Mar 01 16:16
permalink #601 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Mon 26 Mar 01 16:16
Len- Wow! I was just looking for a good version of Arabian Nights as well. I've been reading the Lang version...couldn't quite get through the Burton one. I'll have to check out the Madrus and Mathers version. NOw, does anyone know when and where the three wishes thing got incorporated into the story? Just wondering. Neil- By not wanting to put Crazy Hair into public domain, that means that you're going to publish it someday soon, right?
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permalink #602 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Mon 26 Mar 01 18:48
permalink #602 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Mon 26 Mar 01 18:48
a tad long, but I'm feeling wordy today. Arabian Nights - this is very odd. Early this morning I was wandering around campus wondering what I was going to do for the next couple of hours and I decided to go to the library. I wandered around for a bit, and finally decided I should get some Joseph Campbell but he was pretty much all checked out. So I decided to get a copy of the Arabian Nights instead. When I got back there I saw the Burton edition which I've been meaning to read for about a year but for some reason or another decided to pick up a thinner book instead. Volume one of the Mardrus and Mathers. Walking down the stairs the thought popped into my head "Someone is going to mention this on the Well now". And lo and behold... I didn't get a chance to start reading it yet though. I ended up playing People Pinball all day. "Oh hi!" chatchitchat. "Hey it's you!" chitchatchit. And so on and so forth. Angelina - I have it on good authority that Mr. Neil here gets his extra hours from a dusty little shop in Morocco. However, as Morocco might be a little out of your way, I suggest waiting until the next time he comes back from one of his little trips. Upon return he must sleep for 3 days straight before being able to use the newly acquired hours. So, what you should do is wait until the 2nd day when he is well and truly deeply asleep. Send the first person you meet on the road into his house. They will immediately be set on and killed by 3 inch long venomous snakes. Send the second person you meet on the road into the house, past the dead body and into the basement. They will see the chest where he keeps his hours, but when they open it, they will be decapitated by an ingenious device given to Neil at one of his earlier signing tours by a man wearing a fur hat. You must then send in a third and final person to go into the house, past the 1st dead body, past the 2nd dead body, and past the head. They can then retrieve the hours and bring them out to you where they will promptly drop dead from several poisoned arrows received in the back. Use the hours at your convenience. Jessica - Very cool poem, I think you spoke for a lot of us. :-) I love your pages, they're very pretty. Dan - I think Mr. Neil here is a muse in disguise. I write most of my stuff, and my best stuff I think, after reading something of his or going to a reading. It helps to chase away those pesky doubts. I am now picturing doubts as pesky little round creatures that scurry about covered in dust. Jen, Out I say, Out! Squish, stamp and stomp all doubts!
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permalink #603 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Mon 26 Mar 01 19:03
permalink #603 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Mon 26 Mar 01 19:03
That's ok, I misread it as "chase away those pesky doughnuts." Just for a moment, but it was good for a laugh. I'm going to go eat something now. "Here, doughnut..."
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permalink #604 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Mon 26 Mar 01 19:12
permalink #604 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Mon 26 Mar 01 19:12
Madman - heh heh. Of course, now I have Homer Simpson on the brain. "mmmmm... forbidden doughnut..." "Doughnuts... is there anything they can't do?" Jen, Simpsons freak.
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permalink #605 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Mon 26 Mar 01 19:23
permalink #605 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Mon 26 Mar 01 19:23
Jessica-- beautiful poem. Jen's right-- you speak for many of us. (and I was at the NY reading, so I know.) Jen-- you may be right about Jessica's poem, but you're wrong about where Neil gets his extra hours. You have, I know, heard of "Ma Zbrewski's Bathtub Gin," made famous in an early raid of Eliot Ness's. And doubtless, you've wondered who Ma Zbrewski is, since the photos of the Ness raid show only her daughter, Clair, handcuffed to an illegal still (I'm told that this wasn't an uncommon position for Clair, but that's another story.) Anyway, the point I'm making is that Ma Zbrewski discovered that when you up the juniper and reduce the lemon balm in your hooch, the distilling process actually causes the alcohol to precipitate _time_, which speeds up the fermentation process and produces a mellower booze. Ma quickly learned to scrape the time from the sides of the still, where it gathered in an opalescent resin, and she saved it in Ball canning jars, using only a bit at a time to keep herself young (you have, of course, realized at this point, that Ma _was_ Clair Zbrewski.) So anyway, in researching the Zbrewski line for American Gods, Neil found the original still, and, scraping a bit of the heady resin, soon discovered himself living 27-hour days, which were ultimately still (pardon the pun) too short, but Neil knew about Ma Zbrewski's terrible end (frankly,I never knew they made ski-lifts that small,) and wisely chose not to partake too deeply. I haven't asked Neil where the still is-- I don't have the guts. But maybe Angelina will. Neil-- and everybody else-- thanks for the Arabian Nights info... will seek it out tomorrow.
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permalink #606 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 26 Mar 01 19:24
permalink #606 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 26 Mar 01 19:24
Jo -- no-one's asking me to go to Australia or New Zealand right now -- trouble is I've now G of H'd at the national cons of each country within the last 5 years. Angelina-- right now I would kill for extra hours in the day. And extra months in the year. Jessica -- well, my response to the photo was 'my GOD I look tired' too. & that's a lovely poem -- I'm honoured to have been involved in its conception. (I suppose this is how the grecian urn must have felt.) Blythe -- Gods and Tulips. Dan -- The point is less "oh my god, could someone else right this?" and more, "don't try and write like everyone else, don't try to tell the same stories as everyone else. Tell your stories.". Erynn -- which three wishes in which story? And yes, I think so. Jen -- I just buy time in bulk. .,.. Racing a galloping deadline, writing a film script. The story is like trying to pick up smoke, possibly because I don't know who I'm writing it for right now: me, the movie, or the studio execs. Ah well. Teabreak's over. back on my head.
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permalink #607 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Mon 26 Mar 01 19:39
permalink #607 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Mon 26 Mar 01 19:39
Len - LOL ::claps:: Neil - so what kind of deals does one get buying in bulk? Jen.
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permalink #608 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Mon 26 Mar 01 20:30
permalink #608 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Mon 26 Mar 01 20:30
Well, you know...somewhere along the line The Genie began to grant three wishes In various Aladdin stories. Not the early ones I know, but there were the Fairy Tale theater and Oh geez--I just checked my post, I guess I didn't say which story! Sometimes I forget that I'm not telepathic. I've been particularly obsessed with Aladdin and his Wonderful Lamp..(researching for a story.)Oops. Yes, Neil is very inspiring...sometimes almost too much so. I can't read too much of his stuff in a row or else bad things start happening to my stories...bad as in too much like his, only not as good. Luckily I catch it and luckily the publishers don't let him relase too much stuff at once or I'd be in trouble. On the other hand, I can't wait to read everything that's coming. Neil, you're too hard to resist.
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permalink #609 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 26 Mar 01 21:40
permalink #609 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 26 Mar 01 21:40
Erynn -- how odd - I don't remember any version of Aladdin with three wishes in it. Just that the slave of the lamp could do big important magics, while the slave of the ring was much less powerful. There's the fisherman and the genie of course, but there the genie decides what the three gifts he shall give will be, and by the time the fisherman lets him out, the gift is death. Don't recall any occasions of 3 wishes in the Nights, although it's a big book, and it contains many stories.
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permalink #610 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 26 Mar 01 22:13
permalink #610 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 26 Mar 01 22:13
BTW, if I remember correctly there is a small amount of controversy about Aladdin possibly not being of arabian origin but actually originating in france. I cannot, incidentally recommend highly enough Robert Irwin's wonderful Arabian Nights Companion. And I'm a big fan of his novel, the Arabian Nightmare.
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permalink #611 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 26 Mar 01 22:14
permalink #611 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 26 Mar 01 22:14
Aha! Here's the Kirkus review of the Irwin book... .... From Kirkus Reviews , June 15, 1994 Matching The Arabian Nights' scope and enchantment with erudition and wit, Irwin (The Arabian Nightmare, 1987) explores its elusive kingdom of stories, delving into the vast work's textual genesis, cultural history, and literary legacy. The most influential book in the Western canon that does not actually belong to it, The Arabian Nights never enjoyed the same literary status in the East, and its origins have been made only murkier by its reception in Europe. Irwin begins with the translators who popularized the Nights and, along the way, bowdlerized and warped it, or even inserted their own episodes. Most famously, Aladdin, who has no Arabic version predating his appearance in 18th-century France, may well have been the creation of translator Antoine Galland, not of Scheherazade. Irwin wryly glosses these early translations, which distortedly mirror the original Eastern exoticism with the reflections of their age's prejudices and their translators' personal eccentricities (notably the lexical, racial, and sexual obsessions of the Victorian adventurer Sir Richard Burton). The earlier Arabic compilations are no more reliable, however--Irwin devotes a separate chapter to forerunners (conjectural or lost) over several centuries, from India to Persia and Egypt. In a quixotic effort to amass 1,001 actual tales, these medieval compilers would incorporate local legends and real settings, sometimes approaching souk storytellers as sources. Throughout, Irwin's scholarly acumen illuminates these myriad worlds of the Nights, whether the cityscapes of the Mamelukes, the urban rogues' gallery of thieves and bazaar magicians, or the marvels of jinn and clockwork birds. The longest chapter is a selected roster of its literary heirs, from nursery fables and gothic novels through Proust, Joyce, and Borges, to contemporaries like Salman Rushdie and John Barth. An enchanting dragoman and chaperon for sleepless nights with Scheherazade. -- Copyright ©1994, Kirkus Associates, LP. All rights reserved. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
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permalink #612 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 27 Mar 01 00:28
permalink #612 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 27 Mar 01 00:28
Okay, I ordered a copy just now. It's not in print but a half.com seller has copies.
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permalink #613 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Tue 27 Mar 01 01:22
permalink #613 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Tue 27 Mar 01 01:22
<stupid internet ate my post> <grrrrrrr> <--look, I'm fierce. fear me. so I'm talking to Walker on the phone about my post here about Neil's THREE bay area signings in one day and he says "What post?" and I tell him "the one I posted about an hour ago" (this was hours ago) and he tells me again "What post?", and so I've finally gotten around to checking and it looks like my stupid computer or the connection or something in between just plain got hungry and ate it and isn't this the most awful run-on sentence you've read in ages? So, there I was, all excited about four bay area signings, until I noticed that THREE of them are all in one afternoon. I sincerely doubt I'll make it to Dark Carnival, but I do have a wonderful Berkeley suggestion for a sushi dinner between signings (it's where I'm planning to go, at any rate). Really wishing the Booksmith signing was at night, but since there are Aussies in here, I'll stop my griping right now. squeaks, who wonders if "Back To The Future" is where the term "flux capacitor" came from, because she just saw it in a Star Trek: TNG episode. curious. and VERY sleepy.
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permalink #614 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Tue 27 Mar 01 04:52
permalink #614 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Tue 27 Mar 01 04:52
Although my HS library didn't have any good editions of Arabian Nights, they did have Irwin's Companion, so I took that out... so far, so good--it definately dispelled my impression that reading the Arabian Nights would be a simple-- or even easily manageable-- undertaking. I am going to look for The Arabian Nightmare today-- one review described it as an Eco chamber, which I found irresistable. Michelle-- your growl terrifies me; please make a soothing happy face.
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permalink #615 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Tue 27 Mar 01 04:53
permalink #615 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Tue 27 Mar 01 04:53
Neil-- did you use the Irwin as a reference when you wrote _Ramadan?_
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permalink #616 of 2008: Jade Walker (maidenfate) Tue 27 Mar 01 05:16
permalink #616 of 2008: Jade Walker (maidenfate) Tue 27 Mar 01 05:16
Neil -- You should tell Peter Straub about this ink called Dragon's Blood. I use it all the time when writing by hand. You can pick up a bottle at any new agey type store -- all you need is a quill to go with it. Nothing beats the sound of the quill scratching the page like it's satisfying a good itch. And the color is glorious. As for meeting celebs...I refuse to ask for photographs with the people. It just seems too intrusive. Guess it's the vampire side of me. Book signings are more my style because they allow you to remember the moment more clearly. Of course the ideal situation is to enjoy a quick 20 minute meeting over coffee, but this is something I've only been able to do once with the musician/animator/director, Voltaire, and somehow our 20 minutes turned into five hours. I'll be meeting Harlan Ellison this weekend at ICON, and I can't wait. Anybody else going? I'm also giving away a free copy of American Gods, once it's published, to the winner of the Romantic Myth contest. Details can be found on http://www.inscriptionsmagazine.com/Myth.html
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permalink #617 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 27 Mar 01 06:21
permalink #617 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 27 Mar 01 06:21
Michelle -- who's posting this stuff? I'm not doing a signing at Dark Carnival, I'll be doing a drop-in at some point that day to sign store stock... sigh...
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permalink #618 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 27 Mar 01 06:37
permalink #618 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 27 Mar 01 06:37
Okay, I figured it out http://www.harpercollins.com/hc/eventSearchResults/index.asp?AuthorId=3417 has every stop on the tour (except for the ones not finalised) including the drop-by's. These aren't signings -- they are unscheduled drop-ins to a store to sign stock. Sometimes the store doesn't have any stock. Once -- and only once -- a store had a time for a drop-in, so told all their customers and there were 60 people waiting in a line when I got there. That store went out of business several months later... So on this tour, stores are not being given a time for a drop in -- they may get a day, but that's all. I'll ask Harper COllins to take down the things from the web site that aren't actually signings. I'm still waiting to get the last of the confirmed signings from them, to post the complete final list of US signings here and on americangods.com -- that'll be the actual list of signings. SF -- it's booksmiths at lunchtime, Cody's in the evening. Len -- no, Irwin hadn't written or published his companion when I wrote Ramadan. I used my memories of Mardus and Mathers and the little bit of Burton I'd read, and the 1890s Encyclopedia Brittanica article on Hassan.
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permalink #619 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 27 Mar 01 06:51
permalink #619 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 27 Mar 01 06:51
Jade -- give Harlan my very best. Please tell him that his Leprechaun Nun joke -- which he told me, and I told to Gwenda-who-works-for-the-governor-of-Kentucky -- is now the Governor of Kentucky's favourite joke.
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permalink #620 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Tue 27 Mar 01 11:43
permalink #620 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Tue 27 Mar 01 11:43
Michelle--you really must teach me to growl like that. Mine have been coming out more like purrs. Something is wrong with my keyboard...you have to hit the spacebar pretty hard. But its sort of fun in a way. Until I have to write a paper... While we are on the subject of good book suggestions (but then again, when are we not?) may I ask which version of/book about the Kabalah should one start off with? I do not doubt that Neil will have a good suggestion, but if anyone knows of one, please let me know. Angelina.
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permalink #621 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 27 Mar 01 12:00
permalink #621 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 27 Mar 01 12:00
Oh god, not _that_ Leprechaun Nun joke.
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permalink #622 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Tue 27 Mar 01 12:03
permalink #622 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Tue 27 Mar 01 12:03
Does it involve penguins?
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permalink #623 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Tue 27 Mar 01 12:25
permalink #623 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Tue 27 Mar 01 12:25
Angelina-- God is a Verb, by David Cooper, is supposed to be pretty good. If you're looking for something academic, Gershom Scholem's _Kabbalah_ is generally felt to be an excellent and thorough introduction-- I find him rather dry, but he knows his stuff.
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permalink #624 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Tue 27 Mar 01 12:26
permalink #624 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Tue 27 Mar 01 12:26
Ok, what leprechaun joke?
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permalink #625 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 27 Mar 01 12:32
permalink #625 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 27 Mar 01 12:32
...and the second leprechaun doubled over laughing, "Sean, ye f------ a penguin!"
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