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permalink #651 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Wed 28 Mar 01 16:59
permalink #651 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Wed 28 Mar 01 16:59
Wicked was a good book. I liked it quite a lot. Plus at the time I was on a forgiveness metaphor kick, so it fit right in. I remember reading the end of that while Tori sang, "I hear she still grants forgiveness, but I willingly forgot her..." (paraphrased, as I haven't listened to it in a while, surprisingly...) And, general question: how is "djinn" pronounced? "Gin"? "D'jhinn"? The latter is how I've pronounced it since first encountering the word way back when in AD&D sourcebooks... :>
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permalink #652 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Wed 28 Mar 01 17:58
permalink #652 of 2008: Jenny B. (ophelia-b) Wed 28 Mar 01 17:58
Madman - this is what Merriam Webster online gave me for "djinn" One entry found for djinni. Main Entry: djin·ni Pronunciation: 'jE-nE Variant(s): or djinn or djin /'jin/ variant of JINNI One entry found for jinni. Main Entry: jin·ni Pronunciation: 'jE-nE, 'ji-, j&-'nE Variant(s): or jinn /'jin/ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural jinn or jinns Etymology: Arabic jinnIy demon Date: 1684 1 : one of a class of spirits that according to Muslim demonology inhabit the earth, assume various forms, and exercise supernatural power 2 : GENIE 2 Main Entry: ge·nie Pronunciation: 'jE-nE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural ge·nies also ge·nii /'jE-nE(-"I)/ Etymology: French génie, from Arabic jinnIy Date: 1748 1 : JINNI 1 2 : a magic spirit believed to take human form and serve the person who calls it
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permalink #653 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 28 Mar 01 22:14
permalink #653 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 28 Mar 01 22:14
George Erynn's roommate -- Well, there's certainly a school of thought that says that Aladdin was written in the west within the last 300 years... Luckily in England we still have the panto tradition, which gives both the slave of the lamp and the slave of the ring. Djinn aren't strictly demons; neither are ifrits or maarids. They are of their own class of creation, according to the Koran, and the Koranic commentaries I've read. But the 1001 Nights has a fair amount of wish-granting, along with a fair amount of djinn meddling in the affairs of men for their own amusement. The strangest thing for me about Disney's Aladdin is that it's set in Arabia. Everyone knows that Aladdin lived in Peking. Erynn -- It's not the reading of the Kaballah, that's verboten: it's studying Kaballah. Just got home after several weeks away. Piles of CDs and books waiting for me and lots of other wonderful things into the bargain.
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permalink #654 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 28 Mar 01 22:16
permalink #654 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 28 Mar 01 22:16
Oh -- and if you liked Wicked, can I suggest Geoff Ryman's magnificent novel, WAS.
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permalink #655 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 29 Mar 01 05:21
permalink #655 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 29 Mar 01 05:21
Erynn-- I think you're supposed to go insane, but as Neil says, it's the studying that makes you go loopy, not the reading. According to what I've read, if you don't know Hebrew well, you can't really get to the "good stuff" anyway. Re Jinns-- I've always found the way that the Koran deals with Jinns to be fascinating-- and very non-Judeo-Christian. The idea of an entirely different species that Allah created, and who sometimes mix with humans, sometimes just co-exist with them... very interesting. I love Neil's Jinn taxi driver in the story he read at the NY reading. Re: Arabian Nights-- I found a very readable, though limited, collection of stories translated by Kate Douglas Wiggin, with gorgeous illustrations by Maxfield Parrish (first published 1907). I see from Amazon that the most recent edition has an intro by Mark Helprin, which is reason enough for me to get a copy. I also found a used 4-volume set of the Mathers translation on sale at half.com for $30. Mine. Dan-- belated congrats on finishing your play! Neil-- this is a non-sequitor but I was wondering something yesterday, and I thought you might know the answer: What the hell is the John Cale song "Paris 1919" about? Is it in reference to a specific event (raining beaujoulais?) or some sort of age-of-modernism montage, or what?
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permalink #656 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 29 Mar 01 05:24
permalink #656 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Thu 29 Mar 01 05:24
As to the Disney Aladdin-- it's Howard Ashman at the height of his craft... IMHO, that supercedes any other flaws. (I can even look past the Tim Rice stuff.)
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permalink #657 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 29 Mar 01 10:08
permalink #657 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 29 Mar 01 10:08
Disney's Aladdin would have been even better if the screenwriters had had their way. Jasmine would have been a much stronger character, but the Disney brass thought it made the plot too complicated.
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permalink #658 of 2008: shira burton (whispered) Thu 29 Mar 01 13:06
permalink #658 of 2008: shira burton (whispered) Thu 29 Mar 01 13:06
Hi- I haven't posted in ages.. I've been really busy with schoolwork and teen angst and stuff. I have a question, though.. Neil, are there any specific dates for signings in the Twin Cities? The HarperCollins page doesn't say anything about Minnesota, so I'm just wondering. Also.. this girl Caitlin I go to school with has a stepmom who apparently is friends with Lorraine.. or something. She's been to your Guy Fawkes day party, I think. Ann something. Any idea who I'm talking about? Well, I'll hopefully try to check back here more often. -shira
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permalink #659 of 2008: pseudo-stalker from Cincinnati (velvetraisin) Thu 29 Mar 01 13:26
permalink #659 of 2008: pseudo-stalker from Cincinnati (velvetraisin) Thu 29 Mar 01 13:26
Linda--What a lovely idea! Thank you for the suggestion. Madman--I'm pretty sure your Tori quote is right on. Way for accurate paraphrasing. Martha--Damn strong women for complicating things!! Angelina (who is running on 2 hours of sleep. Wheeeee!)
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permalink #660 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Thu 29 Mar 01 16:38
permalink #660 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Thu 29 Mar 01 16:38
I haven't watched anything Disney since Aladdin came out. They butcher things. Oh wait--no, I saw "The Straight Story" When I first heard that David Lynch was doing a Disney movie I was in shock and didn't know what to think, or if I even wanted to see it. It was pretty good...still classic Lynchy-like only without swearing and extavagant usage of colors. If anyones looking for anything good to read while we're waiting on Neil, I suggest "Hallelujah, Anyway" or "The Second Earth" by Partick Woodruff. Very, very, very extraordinary man. This isn't anything new, but a lot of people don't know who he is, so I just thought I'd mention. Neil- I'm just going to drop the Arabian Nights thing. I'm reading it now and it's wonderful. But any folk tales that have been passed down for hundreds of years are always debatable. As Erynn's roommate George said: "We could talk about it from here to forever." That's interesting about the Djinn or jinns, though. The word 'demon' is latin for 'Spirit' and Greek for 'Divine Power' So techinically demons don't have to be evil...but, I digress (I was supposed to drop it, right? hee-hee). Anyway, How's 'Death' going? Are you still going to direct it? Len- hell, just reading it almost made me go insane.I was thinking about going to the University library to get some good books and "study" it, but you're right--seems like the only really good ones are in Hebrew...too bad my Hebrews a little rusty. I'd read bits and pieces of the folklore before, but the movie PI made me sit down and screw around with some of the numerology. I think they were on to something there... Has anyone ever tried Red Bull? It's an energy drink and I swear it's the secret to all happiness...have to get some more of this. WEEEEE! nnyre
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permalink #661 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Thu 29 Mar 01 16:44
permalink #661 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Thu 29 Mar 01 16:44
Angelina- drink Red Bull. It will make you feel REALLY zippy. Like Cocaine..only legal and natural and it tastes like Smarties:)
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permalink #662 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 29 Mar 01 16:58
permalink #662 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 29 Mar 01 16:58
Red Bull ought to make you feel zippy. It's pretty much the same thing as Coke--sugars and caffeine. But in that cute little can.
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permalink #663 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Thu 29 Mar 01 19:11
permalink #663 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Thu 29 Mar 01 19:11
Martha-Coke has never done this to me before. Cocaine has...only this won't stop! It's been 8 hours since I drank one dinky can! I think i'm going to research this Tantrin (sp?) stuff. (an ingredient in it) I'm amazed that this stuff is even legal. Oh god, I'm supposed to go to bed in two hours and go to work tommorow. Okay. I think I'm beyond Zippy at this point. I wouldn't recommend drinking this stuff unless you want to be awake for, like, 20 hours. I've had three Heinekens. No luck. Argh.
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permalink #664 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 29 Mar 01 19:28
permalink #664 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 29 Mar 01 19:28
From the totally cool Red Bull site (if you love animations, you gotta check out the one on the front page) www.redbull.com: "Taurine is a conditionally essential amino acid, which naturally occurs in the body. At times of extreme physical exertion, the body no longer produces the required amounts of taurine, and a relative deficiency results. Taurine acts as a metabolic transmitter and additionally has a detoxifying effect and strengthens cardiac contractility. " [Is contractility a neologism?] And about the caffeine: Can the amount of caffeine in Red Bull be harmful to one's health? Caffeine is not a harmful substance in itself. The bitter ingredients and the roasting process are really responsible for coffee's being considered potentially harmful to one's health. Contrary to coffee, Red Bull contains pure - not roasted - caffeine. People should drink Red Bull for its positive and stimulating effect. For examples of usage occasions please click here. The decisive factor in determining how much caffeine is safe is the total daily intake of caffeine and not necessarily the amount of caffeine per drink, i.e. a can of Red Bull or a cup of coffee. [I love the idea that the FAQ provides examples of "usage occasions"!]
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permalink #665 of 2008: Justin Wieland (justinwieland) Thu 29 Mar 01 19:52
permalink #665 of 2008: Justin Wieland (justinwieland) Thu 29 Mar 01 19:52
Neil - Curious if anything good was waiting for you in that stack of CD's you mentioned . Neither myself nor the people I've turned on to Conlan Nancarrow would've been lucky enough if I didn't see you make mention of him somewhere . If anyone else wants to recommend anything , I'd be grateful . In need of something new . And not broke , for once . I'm very fond of the Field Mice , Nick Drake , Gorkys Zygotic Mynci . . . love the pop . sined .
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permalink #666 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 29 Mar 01 22:08
permalink #666 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 29 Mar 01 22:08
There's no proof that taurine does a darn thing, but it is meant to be the magic ingredient in Red Bull. I am: skeptical.
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permalink #667 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Fri 30 Mar 01 00:14
permalink #667 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Fri 30 Mar 01 00:14
Three words: XTZ brand anything. Even the Turbo Truffles have more kick than Red Bull. http://www.xtz.com/goods.asp?prod=xdrinx squeaks... whose glass heart was dropped today... dysthymia sucks
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permalink #668 of 2008: Reg (regosborne) Fri 30 Mar 01 00:27
permalink #668 of 2008: Reg (regosborne) Fri 30 Mar 01 00:27
Oops! Almost completely missed your post about Boskone Neil. (Thanks to Margret for pointing it out to me.) After checking out the site, I think that this is exactly what I had in mind and so you are given fair warning to expect my smiling face there. Again, thanks for the tip off. On matters beardly, I have recently come to the conclusion that a beard is something one needs to make a decision on early in one's adulthood and stick to it. Any recent beard cultivation on my part have tended to fail, due to maddening itching, before the crucial change from "too lazy to shave" to "growing a beard". This is not helped by the fact that my beard grows red, whilst my hair grows dark, nor by the unexpected silveriness of recent attempts. Reg
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permalink #669 of 2008: Sean Michaels (jonl) Fri 30 Mar 01 05:59
permalink #669 of 2008: Sean Michaels (jonl) Fri 30 Mar 01 05:59
Email from Sean Michaels: Justin - Check out the Kings of Convenience (a new, Swedish [i think] sort of version of nick drake/belle & sebastian-style gentle acoustic guitar pop, old Archer Prewitt albums (eg: White Sky, or In the Sun), um, also Bonnie Prince Billy (one of Will Oldham's many projects, but the most listenable), oh oh oh, and the Songs:Ohia album (yeah, the colon's part of the band name), "Axxess and Ace". What else.... Damien Jurado's an awesome singer-songwriter, Gentle Waves is a nice Belle & Sebastian side-project. Oh - this'll be hard to find unless you're in the UK, but Kathryn Williams, who was nominated for the Mercury along with Badly Drawn Boy, Coldplay, etc, has been described as "Nicky Drake". A terrific female voice. Finally, if you're looking for a slight change of pace, I've been completely mad, lately, for the Rachel's (who may have been mentioned here before... they do really interesting classical-style music, with an Indie rock kind of feel), and also Sigur Ros' 1999 release "Agaetis Byrjun" (spellings are all slightly altered from this, as the band is icelandic). That album is absolutely breathtaking - songs that resound with warmth, ice, antiquity, emotion... wow. yeesh. yep. good stuff. Er. Sorry to have gone on. When Gorky's Zygotic Minci and Mr. Nick Drake are name-dropped, I just have to stick my head in. Sean
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permalink #670 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Fri 30 Mar 01 06:22
permalink #670 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Fri 30 Mar 01 06:22
Shira-- Hi! Long time no read! Erynn-- yeah...I pretty much did the same thing. I _did_ take a course in Kabbalah at Queens College, from a rabbi (supposedly) who ran a chain of kosher pizzerias. The course was deadly boring-- no dreamquests or golems or nothing-- maybe I should have waited till they offered a course with a lab. Anyway, his spiel was that if you got through the course you got an automatic A, which I now realize was simply his way of not grading any papers. Re Red Bull-- I haven't had the stuff,but the deli near me sells superoxygenated water--7 times the amount of O as in regular water. I drank a bottle and felt... I don't know, not necessarily any zippier, but I didn't get my usual 4:00 crash either. Placebo effect or the real thing... who knows? I just finished my Mixology class-- I am a certified mixologist! Yahoo! Time to break out the Neil-themed recipes y'all suggested.
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permalink #671 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 30 Mar 01 09:06
permalink #671 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 30 Mar 01 09:06
Michelle - oh! Sorry about the glass heart. Is that metaphorical, or literal? I had to look up dysthymia... ouch... *sending you warm fuzzies as antidote* On music - A band I met at Burning Man, Rosin Coven, is simply fabulous. They're "Pagan lounge music"... which pretty much defies any descriptors I can think of. (http://www.rosincoven.com) Hrm... I need to re-read the Death books. I don't remember if there are any parts in there I could beg Neil to cast me in. *walking the thin line between cute and annoying* Dan
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permalink #672 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Fri 30 Mar 01 13:57
permalink #672 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Fri 30 Mar 01 13:57
Yeah, I finally crashed...as a matter of fact, I'm still crashed. I drank some more this morning hoping that I could get through work okay. Nope.I'm on "auto pilot" now...coasting.Guess it was a one time thing. Weird. I'll have to look into your link, Michelle. Len- Kosher Pizzarias? Wow. No dreamquests or golems would definatly be boring...takes all the fun out of it.
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permalink #673 of 2008: shira burton (whispered) Fri 30 Mar 01 20:19
permalink #673 of 2008: shira burton (whispered) Fri 30 Mar 01 20:19
Hmm. Red Bull seems like something I might want to ingest during CONvergence '02! -shira
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permalink #674 of 2008: Justin Wieland (justinwieland) Fri 30 Mar 01 23:34
permalink #674 of 2008: Justin Wieland (justinwieland) Fri 30 Mar 01 23:34
Sean - I've been meaning to look into that Kings of Convenience . I made the mistake of doing a radio show at a local university , a mistake only in that every other show was all emo/college rock all the time , and I remember seeing something by them in there some time back but . . . Were you as disappointed in the latest Gentle Waves record as I was ? I'm dying waiting for the Stuart Murdoch record to be released . Sigur Ros are great . I think they're playing out here in Southern California , but it's at the exact sort of huge festival which tend to make me feel a bit ill . Thanks for reminding me that the Rachels had even existed , though . Listening to Music for Egon Schiele for the first time in a couple years now . sined .
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permalink #675 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 31 Mar 01 00:20
permalink #675 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 31 Mar 01 00:20
Len -- Paris 1919. No idea. I suppose if ever John Cale phones me again, I could ask him. Did you ever get the Disney Ashman Mencken boxed set, with all the Ahsman stuff that was cut from Aladdin? It seemed a lot more intersting than the horridly forgettable Tim Rice stuff that went in. Shira -- as soon as I get the final version of the list from Harper Collins I'll post it. (The ones up on their website change and flux, as you may have noticed.) But there will be a Dreamhaven signing on Jul 1st, and a Barnes and Noble signing on Jul 2nd. Jul 3rd I fly to England to start the whole thing again. 'Fraid I'm not sure who your school friend is. You could ask Lorraine. There won't be another Guy Fawkes now till 2002, unless I do a tiny baby one this year. Justin -- let's see. Ryan Adams, Kid Loco, Cournu (sp? a french band), Steve Harley's acoutsic greatest hits (oddly, not a bad album), Jim White, lots of Chaz and the Motorbikes, the Sci-FI Channel's SNOW GLASS APPLES on CD, and possibly a few things I've forgotten. Nothing world-changing, but all good stuff. Reg -- you're welcome. Len -- I think placebo effects are misnamed, have done since I read an article (in the Sceptical Enquirer of all things, grumbling about people thinking things 'worked' when it was 'only placebo effect') which stated that in the clinical trials of Rogaine, it regrew hair in 62% of cases, while the placebo sample only regrew hair in 51% of cases. And I thought, hang on, this isn;t just "feeling better", this is over half of the people who took a sugar pill regrew hair because they thought they would... congrats on the mixology. ... Am in Las Vegas to talk to Borders people. Spent this evening at the latest Penn and Teller show. Wandered along with them to a rave to see Ouchie the S&M clown. Then came back to my hotel room to post this and put something up on the Blogger journal, and go to bed. G'night.
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