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permalink #1251 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Sat 12 May 01 09:16
permalink #1251 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Sat 12 May 01 09:16
I'm shocked. I still don't believe it.
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permalink #1252 of 2008: Robynne (gorey) Sat 12 May 01 09:32
permalink #1252 of 2008: Robynne (gorey) Sat 12 May 01 09:32
My first Neil Gaiman book was _Don't Panic_, a sort-of biography about Douglas Adams. This is a terrible loss.
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permalink #1253 of 2008: Jade Walker (maidenfate) Sat 12 May 01 09:46
permalink #1253 of 2008: Jade Walker (maidenfate) Sat 12 May 01 09:46
Jen - I also couldn't think of anything elegant to say. My heart just broke when I heard the news. Luckily, I had an outlet for my grief. I work for The NY Times and when it came across the wires, I explained to the staff what a huge influence he was in the sci fi/fantasy realm. Instead of just placing the notice on the obit page, I had it posted on the homepage (http://www.nytimes.com). It was a small thing, but to me, it just seemed necessary. 42, Jade
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permalink #1254 of 2008: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Sat 12 May 01 10:34
permalink #1254 of 2008: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Sat 12 May 01 10:34
I'm in shock. I'm daytripping to a local sf con this weekend and I'm not sure if being with other fans who maybe understand will be a comfort or just make me lose it all the more.
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permalink #1255 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 12 May 01 10:36
permalink #1255 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 12 May 01 10:36
I was doing an interview about American Gods, and I'd brought this page up on the screen, and was chatting away, and suddenly saw Jade's first post. For a weird moment I thought it was a joke, then I realised it wasn't. "Douglas Adams is dead," I said. "Yes," said the interviewer. "Did you ever meet him?" I said yes. After that the interview was pretty much a bust. I'd known Douglas fairly well in the 80s -- interviewed him for Penthouse and Knave, then wrote Don't Panic, which involved lots of interviews, and lots more spending time in his flat going through his files and archives looking for cool stuff. Saw him in Minneapolis a couple of years ago for a signing for the Starship Titanic game. (A dozen people came to the signing. The game kept crashing and he couldn't get out of one of the opening sequences. It was kind of sad.) He'd asked me to work on a radio adaptation of the later Hitchhiker's Books, and I'd said no as I didn't have the time. We'd e-mail from time to time. He was a very brilliant man. (Not said lightly. I think he really was one of the people who saw things differently and more clearly and from a different angle.) I don't think he liked the process of writing very much, and I think he liked it less and less as time went on. I'm not sure that he ever figured out what it was that he did want to do -- I suspect it's something they don't have a concept for yet, let alone a name -- and he would have done it brilliantly. I hope that his death isn't followed by the publishing of all the stuff he hadn't wanted to see print. & I'll miss him.
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permalink #1256 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Sat 12 May 01 11:59
permalink #1256 of 2008: Len Schiff (theboojum) Sat 12 May 01 11:59
My first book of Neil's was Don't Panic, way back in HS. I clearly remember discovering Hitchhiker's. It was one of the formative books of my growing up and, like many people, I can recite vast chunks of it by heart. I can't believe it.
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permalink #1257 of 2008: experience uncut Martha (madman) Sat 12 May 01 12:45
permalink #1257 of 2008: experience uncut Martha (madman) Sat 12 May 01 12:45
My first exposure to Neil was also Don't Panic, though it was years after I'd read all of Sandman that I saw another copy of Don't Panic and realized it. (I had first read it sitting in my high school's library.) In trying to think of what to say in response to Mr. Adams' death, all I can do is repeat a comment I saw in another conference. So long, and thanks for all the fish.
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permalink #1258 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 12 May 01 21:08
permalink #1258 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 12 May 01 21:08
I sat and read Don't Panic this afternoon (the original UK edition, on which page 42 was left intentionally blank). It was very strange, reading a book I wrote 14 years ago as a way of saying goodbye to someone. But, in an odd way, it helped...
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permalink #1259 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 12 May 01 21:18
permalink #1259 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 12 May 01 21:18
Lenny - 1245 - Really? It gets anthologised a lot, in the oddest places. Michelle -- Remind me to say "kersplooey" for you at the SF signing. I wasn't really a naked angel. Just topless. Danguy -- in print mostly an author gets a royalty of anywhere between 2% (Star Wars books) to 8% (usual starting royalty) to 10-15% (solid author royalty -- often on a sliding scale depending on the number of copies sold. I expect that the Anne Rices and Stephen Kings get above 15%. Jade -- good job.
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permalink #1260 of 2008: Seth Freilich (ceymick) Sat 12 May 01 23:45
permalink #1260 of 2008: Seth Freilich (ceymick) Sat 12 May 01 23:45
like many here, i too first read neil by reading "don't panic," although i too didn't make the full connection until i found it in the bottom of a drawer years later (and promptly placed it on my growing "gaiman shelf"). neil - that seems like a great way to help say goodbye to someone. and thanks for sharing your comments/sentiments about mr. adams. off to go dig up my old copies of the hitchiker's trilogy and begin rereading them (it's been far too long, and i only wish something better had been the impetus to reread them). -- s oh - finally got to listen to the "secret" "being an experiment" on the Warning CD and enjoyed it immensely.
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permalink #1261 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 12 May 01 23:55
permalink #1261 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 12 May 01 23:55
Seth -- I'm glad you finally read it. ... It occurs to me that I should have said something else about Douglas. Which is that he was immensely kind and generous, with his time and his material, to a young journalist, fifteen years ago; and watching how he, and how Alan Moore, treated their fans and other people taught me an awful lot about how to behave as an author.
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permalink #1262 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 12 May 01 23:55
permalink #1262 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 12 May 01 23:55
That should have read, glad you finally *heard* it, of course.
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permalink #1263 of 2008: Seth Freilich (ceymick) Sun 13 May 01 00:04
permalink #1263 of 2008: Seth Freilich (ceymick) Sun 13 May 01 00:04
was just reading a page full of folks' comments about douglas adams' untimely departure, and thought i'd share 2 bits i found interesting/amusing: --- one user asked, "so is the answer 49 then?" another user responded, "nah . . . he just missed another deadline." this was followed by the following adams' quote, "the thing i love the most about deadlines is the wonderful WHOOSHing sound they make as they go past." --- apparently someone figured out that six times nine <i>does</i> equal 42, if you do the math in base 13. douglas adams, in regards to this, apparently said "nobody writes jokes in base 13."
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permalink #1264 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Sun 13 May 01 01:10
permalink #1264 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Sun 13 May 01 01:10
I am having a very hard time getting this. Douglas Adams is dead. The words don't sound right together. He was my first exposure to SF, and my first exposure to a good book that was funny. I ache in my chest.
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permalink #1265 of 2008: JaNell (jonl) Sun 13 May 01 06:56
permalink #1265 of 2008: JaNell (jonl) Sun 13 May 01 06:56
Email from JaNell: Neil & Everyone- I meant to post that today was my oldest son's 14th birthday, but I just read about Douglas Adams... That just sucks. I mean that really sucks. Douglas Adams was on the list of people I wanted Sean to read. We recently lost his favorite author, Rick Shelley, a really sweet guy, after a heart attack at ChattaCon. That really sucked, too. Always sad to lose a voice... JaNell
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permalink #1266 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Sun 13 May 01 08:24
permalink #1266 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Sun 13 May 01 08:24
I too re-read _Don't Panic_ yesterday; I even have the very same UK edition. It was the first Gaiman book I owned, and the second thing of yours that I'd ever read (the first being "Nicholas was") -- and like Seth, I didn't even make the connection when I began reading "Sandman" until years later when I was rearranging my shelves, since which it's lived on the "Gaiman - Adams" shelf, providing a nice segue from one to the other. I owe a lot of laughter and smiles to Adams.
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permalink #1267 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Sun 13 May 01 11:39
permalink #1267 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Sun 13 May 01 11:39
I've been in a bit of a media cocoon for the last day, and just heard about all this... Like everyone else, I'm in shock. I remember, back in High School Chemistry Lab screwing with this guy that sat between me and another friend. He had never read Hitchhikers, and could only ping pong back in bafflement as we batted lines back and forth like a ping pong ball... one word at a time. My freshman year in college, I had a professor who would slip Adams material into his multiple choice tests: A) Philistines B) Hittities C) Assyrians D) Vogons I remember hitting that one and looking up and catching his eye as he grinned merrily at me, knowing exactly which question I was on and that I was someone who would catch the joke. I never knew him, although I met him very briefly once at a MacWorld Expo where he was apoligizing for the delays in Starship Titanic and being generally incredibly charming. I had looked forward to his next endeavors. I had heard about his plans for another Dirk Gently book, and a movie, and a Hitchikers' movie... and know he would have done more games and who knows what else. I don't know. I'm just rambling.. but the world seems like a slightly less funny place knowing he's not in it.
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permalink #1268 of 2008: -N. (streak) Sun 13 May 01 12:45
permalink #1268 of 2008: -N. (streak) Sun 13 May 01 12:45
I just now learned of the death, reading this topic. I've been busy the last couple days. I saw Douglas Adams at a signing at Cody's Books once. I suppose I was around fifteen. He was reading from _Mostly Harmless_, and that was my first experience of seeing written comedy read aloud by the author, by someone who knows where all the pauses and inflections go because they were playing in his head when he wrote the damn thing. He spoke about the travelling he'd been doing for _Last Chance To See_, and discussed with passion the issue of extinction. I remember noticing that his nose, like Stephen Fry's, was twisted, halfway down its length. I'd read, someplace, that as a boy at school he'd managed to severely break his nose with his own kneecap, and I wondered if its asymmetry came from that or from a different break. He signed my paperback copy of _Guide_. I've still got it someplace, I think. His work meant a lot to me in my early teens, and it seems like it would be enormously unlike me to have gotten rid of such an artifact. Times like this I wish I could trick myself into believing in heaven or reincarnation or somesuch. Damn.
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permalink #1269 of 2008: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Sun 13 May 01 13:02
permalink #1269 of 2008: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Sun 13 May 01 13:02
Hitchhikers was some of the first sf I ever read. I had a "Don't Panic" t-shirt with those words in friendly letters and that green guy on it. I wore it to death in high school and college and it started more conversations than I could count. In those early days of usenet and the net, too, everyone quoted Adams. So much time spent quoting the book, playing the game, making up vogon poetry, and so forth. I only met Adams once, during a signing/reading tour for _Last Chance To See_ and he was gracious and very funny and very cool. Though after reading _Don't Panic_ and so many online things of his and interviews elsewhere it was hard not to feel like you knew Adams a little, as much as one can someone you don't really know. If that makes sense. I loved the way he interacted with the fans. He had such a following, it could've been a real pain for him, but if it was it never showed. You always knew that anything he was involved with would be interesting. And it's strange to imagine the world without him in it. I'm a bit surprised how hard it's hitting me, but it hadn't occurred to me that he wouldn't be around and it's just weird. And I hadn't really paused to think of the effect he had, 'til now. That embarasses me somewhat, but there you go. I very much wanted to wear my "Don't Panic" t-shirt yesterday, but it's threadbare and stored away somewhere where I can't find it. Maybe it was a little lame, maybe it was a little geeky, and maybe no one noticed. But for at least the first few hours I was at a con yesterday, I carried a towel with me.
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permalink #1270 of 2008: Douglas Spadotto (jonl) Sun 13 May 01 13:24
permalink #1270 of 2008: Douglas Spadotto (jonl) Sun 13 May 01 13:24
Email from Douglas Spadotto: Hello. I'm from Brazil, and would like to send this message to the Neil Gaiman forum of inkwell.vue: Hello Neil! I read that you're coming to Brazil in May. That's cool. I'm from Curitiba, and me and my friends are travelling 400 kilometers to see you. It's going to be an adventure. I have tests in my university the day before and after your signing, then I'll travel 800 kilometers in a day! In a bus! Well, that4s not why I write to you. I'm writing to ask you if you could bring some copies of American Gods for a preview here. Even if we pre-order at Amazon or whatever, it's going to be a long time waiting. Internet is bad sometimes, all the "civilized" world gets a book, and we sit here reading what the Internet brings to us: previews, reviews, etc. When we actually get the book, it's almost too late. E-books are out of the question. I can't read a book siting in the front of the computer, and many people agree with me. Well, sorry if my english hurts your eyes, but I'm a portuguese-talking person. Maybe when I move to other country I can learn and practice more." I'll be very grateful if you post this at the forum. Please let me know of your answer. Douglas Spadotto
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permalink #1271 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sun 13 May 01 14:00
permalink #1271 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sun 13 May 01 14:00
Last night, driving home from the airport with the radio on for the traffic reports, we listened to a long obituary for Perry Como. 87, we said, that's a long full life more or less. Then suddenly a much shorter and more offhanded obit for Douglas Adams. "WHAT??" we said. If I weren't currently brain-dead from a head cold, I'd put my CDs of the Hitchhiker series on. And I should pull the copy of "Last Chance to See" off the shelf and finally get around to reading it.
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permalink #1272 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Sun 13 May 01 16:20
permalink #1272 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Sun 13 May 01 16:20
*sigh* I've spent the whole weekend alternately refusing to believe that this is true, and trying to forget that it happened. The electronic memorial that is becoming h2g2.com is nice, as is a comic tribute I noticed today at http://www.userfriendly.org/static/ . The only direct contact I had with DNA was at a reading/signing at the Michigan Theater in Ann Arbor, MI back in about '92. He was terrifically funny, and amazingly patient with the seemingly endless line of people who wanted scads of stuff autographed afterwards. The world seems a tiny bit less bright today. --Bill^2, feeling like my heart has been smashed in by a slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick
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permalink #1273 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sun 13 May 01 16:40
permalink #1273 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sun 13 May 01 16:40
Douglas -- That's very exciting. Are you coming to the Rio event or the Sao Paolo one? I'm afraid that AMERICAN GODS doesn't get published in the US until June 19th, so there won't be any early copies for sale -- you're still at the mercy of Amazon.com, or Dreamhaven, or whoever you buy your books from. I can bring with me a proof copy -- probably will, to do a reading from, if there's anywhere that I'm meant to do a reading, or any way to do it before a signing.
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permalink #1274 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sun 13 May 01 22:20
permalink #1274 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sun 13 May 01 22:20
Blogger is misbehaving -- I don't mind how hard it is to get things to post, but it's started eating and truncating old posts -- I see the one with all the UK and US tour dates on it has been swallowed by the beast.
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permalink #1275 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sun 13 May 01 22:35
permalink #1275 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sun 13 May 01 22:35
Out of interest, is anybody out there quietly copying/saving the american gods blogger entries? I'd assumed that the archives would be all I needed, but the May 4 entry is truncated, and I worry that more of it may have vanished...
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