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permalink #201 of 282: Lenny Bailes (jroe) Wed 25 Jul 01 17:33
permalink #201 of 282: Lenny Bailes (jroe) Wed 25 Jul 01 17:33
#186: If you like E. Nesbit, you have to read Edward Eager (_Half Magic_ is the first book in his series). Even more obscure than Nesbit (but almost as good, in my opinion) is a novel called "The Ship That Flew" by Hilda Lewis. In it, four children have magic adventures in a flying ship -- which is sold to the eldest by a white-haired old man with a patch over one eye.
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permalink #202 of 282: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 25 Jul 01 19:13
permalink #202 of 282: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 25 Jul 01 19:13
E-mail from Donna: Hi Terry, I finally got to read through the whole string last night and when you mentioned possibly reanimating Esk - the instant thought came to my mind - what a fearsome foursome: Esk and Simon, and Susan and Lobsang. Just imagine any world seen through the eyes of a witch-wizard, a pure research wizard, a teacher who moonlights as death, and the thief of time. Even Lord Vetinari (with Inigo's help of course) would have difficulty keeping one step ahead of that crowd. You are very right about the victorian "twee" humor - I had to pull Hogfather off the shelf and remind myself of poor mis-named Twyla and Gawain. Also, Rab, thank you for the apology and you are right, this forum isn't the place for either of us to vent. On with the Terry appreciation club. Donna
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permalink #203 of 282: Dodge (hnowell) Wed 25 Jul 01 20:16
permalink #203 of 282: Dodge (hnowell) Wed 25 Jul 01 20:16
Wow. I'd put a "want" in at abe.com for your book "The Last Hero" and got an email today that somebody is selling the uncorrected proof - just like they did when ToT came out. UNlike when ToT came out, they are charging twice as much as what the hardback issue is going to be. $65 and up. Wow. Eager as I am to read it, I think I'll wait this time unti Roundwood book store sends me mine. Where do all these proof copies come from and how do so many go out ahead of time?
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permalink #204 of 282: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 25 Jul 01 20:51
permalink #204 of 282: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 25 Jul 01 20:51
Terry: A few months ago I was standing outside the Book Eddy (a great used book store that's near my house and has two resident cats) in So. Knoxville one day looking at their dollar books when a woman pulled up suddenly, parked sideways, and asked, "Do you like the books they sell here?" When I said, "Well, yes", she pulled out a piece of paper and told me she'd been cleaning house, found this, and I was welcome to it. As she pulled off I saw it was a $15 gift certificate for the store. Being a believer in omens, I decided this was a good one, went in and bought "Good Omens", read it, and loved it.
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permalink #205 of 282: Piers Cawley (pdcawley) Wed 25 Jul 01 22:58
permalink #205 of 282: Piers Cawley (pdcawley) Wed 25 Jul 01 22:58
Forgotten authors, I remember reading some of Nesbit's books (Phoenix and the Carpet, Five Children and It), and I didn't hate them (I read two after all), but they didn't really excite me like, say, the Swallows and Amazons books. But then Swallows and Amazons was the first 'real' book I ever read solo and I was learning to sail at the time too, so no surprise there then. Gill (my wife) meanwhile, who grew up in Catford, *loves* Nesbit and can't get on with Ransome at all. I loved BB's books too, which as well as being beautifully written, were beautifully illustrated with the author's own wood engravings. I came to those from a vaguely weird angle; BB used to write a column for Shooting Times, which my dad subscribed to and which I read every week. BB's column really stood out as it was so well written, and by someone who really knew what he was writing about. I still remember a column he wrote about the deciding whether to get a new gundog after his last one died of old age because he realised that the odds were that he'd die of old age before it did. Once I realised he'd written novels I was off down the library with a sheaf of request cards. TH White, another great. My favourite of his though is 'The Goshawk'.
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permalink #206 of 282: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 26 Jul 01 00:18
permalink #206 of 282: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 26 Jul 01 00:18
Jane -- glad you're enjoying American Gods. Dodge -- I think the rule on proof copies seems to be that people who have them (booksellers mostly, and journalists) charge a lot for them pre-publication, as they are selling to fans who want to read the book. As you get closer to publication the prices tumble to less than the cost of a hardback, and then, slowly climb, as the only people who want them then are proof collectors, and there aren't a lot of them about.
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permalink #207 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 01:43
permalink #207 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 01:43
Dodge -- re proof copies... What he said. But in the UK at least proof copies seem to have become a growth industry in recent years -- I mean there seem to be hundreds around. And it gnaws me off, because they are *proof copies*, for heaven's sake! Would you believe the someone a couple of books ago complained about the 'astonishing' fact that there were changes between the proof and the ultimate book? And someone else complained that the proof copy -- which is, for those who don't know, simply the first-run, unread proofs bound in paperback form -- had spelling mistakes in it... I'd be very surprised if the are full proof copies of TLH yet; there may be copies of the blad, which is a few pages bound with illustrations to give the trade an idea of what the book is going to be. Or it may be a bound copy of, simply, the text. Terry
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permalink #208 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 01:47
permalink #208 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 01:47
JaNell, That was no ordinary woman. You only have to read early F&SF or the old Unknown magazine to know that she was from the future, or another dimension, or the Galalctic Stage Manager's office. It was very important to the history of the world for you to buy that book. Bad things would have happened if you hadn't. :-) Terry
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permalink #209 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 01:53
permalink #209 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 01:53
Piers, I disliked Swallows and Amazons. I was a bolshy little kid, and the adventures of piping middle-class children turned me off. But, oddly, I was a great fan of Just William (whose family had a cook, and a maid, and a gardener) because he was so recognisable. Good to see another BB fan. He was a magnificent writer. Sometimes I suspect that, in the 60s, his robust shooting background counted against him the the children's book world. Terry
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permalink #210 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 01:56
permalink #210 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 01:56
Lenny, Good grief, I remember The Ship That Flew! It was great! Why do some books go under and others survive? It's mystery to me... Terry
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permalink #211 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 02:02
permalink #211 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 02:02
Donna, You raise an important point, and that is: you can have too many powerful heroes. Put too many in a book and it implodes. And while Susan might well find a long-time friend in Lobsang, I imagine a relationship with someone who is everywhere at once and knows everything you're going to say could become irksome to someone like her. Esk, now...I know how her return goes. But it won't be for a while. Terry
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permalink #212 of 282: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 26 Jul 01 06:00
permalink #212 of 282: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 26 Jul 01 06:00
Terry: See, I *thought* it was something like that, or just my ability to manifest people and things kicking in, as I was looking at the dollar books because that's about all I had on me, and I was jonesing hard for some new reading material...
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permalink #213 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 08:00
permalink #213 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 08:00
JaNell, When that car got around the next corner it turned into something else... Terry
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permalink #214 of 282: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 26 Jul 01 09:56
permalink #214 of 282: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 26 Jul 01 09:56
Was it something useful? More specifically, did it turn into books, chocolate, infinite powers of good or evil, feral kittens, soap bubbles, anything a good shade of purple, Breyer's ice cream, money, an object that would allow me to explode people's heads from afar with the power of my mind, sterling silver oval bracelets small enough to fit me, or any other elusive thing that I want? And is there still time to catch this 'something else' ?
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permalink #215 of 282: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 26 Jul 01 10:58
permalink #215 of 282: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 26 Jul 01 10:58
E-mail from Donna: Hello again Terry, thats something you haven't yet put into the DW books... we have the wandering shops and we have the wonderfully efficient journalist, but we don't have the eccentric bookseller/bookshop as yet--- closest is the gouging publishers in masquerade. Speaking of eccentric bookshops, should you ever get out towards the Central Coast of California, there is a great 1/2 a city block and ever-growing used book store called Leon's Bookstore in the downtown area of San Luis Obispo, which, a long long time ago in a lifetime a far cry different from now, I had the privilege of closing 4 nights a week. I'd like to say I worked there, but that implies that I took money for services and since it was a joy and my paycheck was mainly a revolving bookstash - it wasn't really work. No, they didn't have a store cat when I worked there but they had a great Newfoundland that hung out on the door mat and required some stepping over. I got your point about the too many heroes spoiling the soup. Your characters never fail in the strength and eccentricity department, I imagine it can be difficult to get them to bend to your will. I personally can't imagine Susan bending at all and then there is the Granny Weatherwax theory of abiding by the rules until you break them good and hard. I want you all to know that I'm taking careful notes of Authors and titles because I *used* to think that I had a broad and varied reading habit and I've got to tell you that as a collective, this group puts me to shame. I've already started searching. If you don't mind, I find these three praiseworthy and will read anything they publish: Tim Powers, particularly Last Call and The Stress of Her Regard, James Blaylock, and Phillip K. Dick -- none of the three are children's authors but James has written some YA stuff. Donna
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permalink #216 of 282: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 26 Jul 01 11:05
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permalink #217 of 282: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 26 Jul 01 11:07
permalink #217 of 282: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 26 Jul 01 11:07
Phillip K. Dick, _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?_ _Blade Runner_ is probably my favorite movie, and shows how potent a short story or novella can be.
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permalink #218 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 13:57
permalink #218 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Thu 26 Jul 01 13:57
JaNell, Of course you can't catch it! It's moved on to give the *next* person what they need... You only get one. Terry
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permalink #219 of 282: With catlike tread (sumac) Thu 26 Jul 01 17:38
permalink #219 of 282: With catlike tread (sumac) Thu 26 Jul 01 17:38
Okay, I've been saving this question: What's with the black hats?
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permalink #220 of 282: Keith M Ellis (kmellis) Thu 26 Jul 01 18:04
permalink #220 of 282: Keith M Ellis (kmellis) Thu 26 Jul 01 18:04
If you don't mind the presumption, I just want to say that I think you've grown substantially as a writer -- I think you're probably better than you think you are. ToT was as funny and inventive as anything you've written before, but it was tight and crisp as well. You're doing a good job at something I've noticed many authors have a great deal of difficulty managing: learning and honing their craft without losing their creativity and vigor. I'm not the least surprised that Esk is waiting in the wings for a spectacular reappearance. Esk is powerful -- she demands another book! Er, um, okay... *I'd* like to see Esk again. But it sounded better the first way.
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permalink #221 of 282: Arlene Verde (arleneverde) Thu 26 Jul 01 18:34
permalink #221 of 282: Arlene Verde (arleneverde) Thu 26 Jul 01 18:34
Okay, I was busy being depressed over TT's big announcement, but this makes up for it...they never had Terry Pratchett on TT. They never had anyone I actually read on TT, come to think of it. I should have been here all along. Thief of Time was great. I like what you did with Susan. She was destined to become a teacher. Of the kind that makes fluff brained administrators (is there any other kind) feel awkward. The reappearance of the Sweeper was also welcome. I've been wondering about him every since that business with Vorbis and Brutha in Small Gods. I have yet to read a book of yours that I didn't like. Even Strata. This DW series, however, is in a class by itself. It is amazing to me that you can continue to write those books and manage to be profound and hilarious every single time. Truth and comedy usually go hand in hand but I don't think too many manage to marry them up as well as you can. Question: Is Rincewind coming back? I actually think Rincewind and Susan would make a good couple. Lobsang is nice and all...but the thought of Time and Death having children just frightens me. Death and Accident-Prone but with Incredible Luck seem a better match.
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permalink #222 of 282: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 26 Jul 01 18:56
permalink #222 of 282: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 26 Jul 01 18:56
Maybe they only gave *you* one, Terry...
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permalink #223 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Fri 27 Jul 01 07:13
permalink #223 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Fri 27 Jul 01 07:13
Catlike treader, They're hats. And they are, indeed, black; I've got about eight of them. I just like big black hats, and when I went into a shop back in the late 80s and saw this big Louisiana on a stand I thought, yep, this is a life moment, this is Charlie Chaplin finding the baggy trousers. Mind you, I have some others -- a big brown Akubra for Australia, for example (it's still got the stain where the koala pissed on it.) The black hats make a good Zen disguise. Here, if I go anywhere in the hat, someone *will* recognise me. If I take it off, I can join the vast anonymous brotherhood of bearded men with glasses. Terry
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permalink #224 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Fri 27 Jul 01 07:14
permalink #224 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Fri 27 Jul 01 07:14
Keith, Thank you. I certainly have to be a more *careful* writer; in the early days of DW I could invent wildly, but these days everything new has to fit, in both the past and the future. What I find works is the wild dash draft 0, fighting to get it all down before it goes away...and then the months of editing that stuff! Terry
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permalink #225 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Fri 27 Jul 01 07:15
permalink #225 of 282: Terry Pratchett (tpratchett) Fri 27 Jul 01 07:15
Arlene, I know not this TT of which you speak... Again, thank you. I Am Not Worthy -- well, not *that* worthy:-) Yes, Rincewind will be coming back. I doubt if I could ever kill him off. But Rincewind and Susan? (pauses to stare at wall for a while)...on the whole, I think not. It's a strange world. I've just written a bit with Sweeper explaining to someone how the quantum universe works, and blow me down if there isn't an article in New Scientist about a new theory that exactly covers what he says. Terry
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