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Topic 125: The Barking Mad Gaiman Mob: Who are these people and why won't they go away?
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The Barking Mad Gaiman Mob: Who are these people and why won't they go away?
permalink #401 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Mon 5 Nov 01 22:24
permalink #401 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Mon 5 Nov 01 22:24
Unfortunately my windows guru seems to have left his computer at the moment - I messaged him, tho, and we'll see if he can pull any rabbits out of hats,... Oh. Yes. Modeling. There is a bit of nudity here, so consider yourself warned,... http://hypnox.com/classic/ http://www.sebastianstudios.com/ads/Img_1984.jpg http://www.sebastianstudios.com/ads/Img_2084.jpg Sebastian hasn't released the rest yet, and two other photographers have yet to show what they got,... *yawn* Still tired. -Kelly
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permalink #402 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 5 Nov 01 23:03
permalink #402 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 5 Nov 01 23:03
Johanna -- brilliant idea. It ought to have worked, too, but DOS is smarter then it ought to be and keeps giving me an "invalid directory" message when I get to what WOULD have been the directory over 66 characters. It's simply unable to perceive it so far... & no, I haven't, I'm afraid. Kelly -- they look like someone ought to get out the oils and start painting.
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permalink #403 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 5 Nov 01 23:17
permalink #403 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 5 Nov 01 23:17
I suspect that I'll be sending it off to Chicago -- or even dropping it off there -- with a "please get off what you can from the following directories before you reinstall windows 2000 or do whatever else you have to to make it work" message.
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permalink #404 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 5 Nov 01 23:58
permalink #404 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 5 Nov 01 23:58
Kathy Li jumps in with an e-mailed suggestion: Well, as I'm doing this e-mail, so this suggestion could be far too late, but Neil, did you try mapping a drive? subst z: c:foobaronetwothreefourfivesixseveneight cd z:nineteneleventwelve --Kathy
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permalink #405 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 6 Nov 01 00:18
permalink #405 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 6 Nov 01 00:18
Kathy, yup, tried it. It simply does not admit to the existence of the directories beyond 66 characters, even with the subst.
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permalink #406 of 2008: Going to hide my head in a sack now, and prolly the rest of me, too. (goldennokomis) Tue 6 Nov 01 03:56
permalink #406 of 2008: Going to hide my head in a sack now, and prolly the rest of me, too. (goldennokomis) Tue 6 Nov 01 03:56
Kelly~ I'm absolutely jealous of how beautiful all of y'all are. *sigh* But I thought you'd said "larger women"?
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permalink #407 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Tue 6 Nov 01 05:33
permalink #407 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Tue 6 Nov 01 05:33
The subst idea was my first thought. I'm trying to think of something better. Perhaps we could find a tiny OS (without the 66 char limitation) that would fit on a floppy that could access the file system (do you know if it's FAT32 or NTFS? my guess would be FAT32), so that you could just boot to that and then get your files off. I'll see if I can figure something out.
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permalink #408 of 2008: The iguana will bite those who do not dream. (johannabobrow) Tue 6 Nov 01 06:05
permalink #408 of 2008: The iguana will bite those who do not dream. (johannabobrow) Tue 6 Nov 01 06:05
Kelly -- They are beautiful. Thanks for sharing... Neil -- Bozhe moi. Sneaky little bastard. (Meaning DOS.) (And I can only imagine it's Toshiba specific because we couldn't reproduce it on either laptop here. Strange failure mode.)
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permalink #409 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Tue 6 Nov 01 06:42
permalink #409 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Tue 6 Nov 01 06:42
#9 and #10 of the following support page look like possible avenues, though the PATH var is not your issue: <http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q72/1/71.ASP> Still pondering and tinkering.
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permalink #410 of 2008: Ghost of JaNell's Post (goldennokomis) Tue 6 Nov 01 06:48
permalink #410 of 2008: Ghost of JaNell's Post (goldennokomis) Tue 6 Nov 01 06:48
Neil~ This may have been mentioned already, but can you rename the main files with shorter names, freeing up room in that 66 charecter limit to go further in, and them rename the files further in with shorter names, and so on, until you get what you need? You *do* realize that the 66(6) limit *proves* that DOS is evil? ; )
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permalink #411 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Tue 6 Nov 01 07:24
permalink #411 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Tue 6 Nov 01 07:24
And you can rename all of your directories to shorter strings in order to free up chars, so copy C:foobaronetwothreefourfivesixseveneightnine*.* a: could become copy fbottffssen*.* a: via c:> ren foo f c:> cd f c:f> ren bar b c:f> cd b c:fb> ...etc.....
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permalink #412 of 2008: salsa dancing with my confusion (pamela-bird) Tue 6 Nov 01 10:54
permalink #412 of 2008: salsa dancing with my confusion (pamela-bird) Tue 6 Nov 01 10:54
I'm constantly amazed at the sheer mass of smarts collected in this and other online communities. Maybe there's something about the medium that creates opportunities to reveal all the different facets of what people know that isn't duplicated in Real Life, a sort of "show and tell" effect that we don't get into just trudging around in the daily grind. But it's seemed to me for years that there is a high concentration of really intelligent and knowledgeable people gathered online. I love hearing all the fascinating stuff people here talk about. (Even computer talk. I confess that programming isn't my thing, but I honestly like listening in sometimes. My brain is so non-linear that I think of programming-speak like yoga exercises for that half of my brain. Although people who do it for a living tell me that you get to art, when you get far enough in, and I believe them.) Neil: I hope you're continuing to get better. When will you be gone to Chicago? Will you be able to be online without the Libretto? Also, if you're willing--would you share your thoughts and/or experience about writing through resistance... for instance, when a story isn't pulling together, or when you can't seem to get a character to talk to you. Do you have any "tricks" that you use at times like those? I noticed in your AG notes that you're asking questions of yourself/the book in early stages. Do you do that throughout the process of discovering what's going on? Mike, Martha, Tara, Erynn, Will, Lenny... anybody else care to share on that?
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permalink #413 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 6 Nov 01 10:59
permalink #413 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 6 Nov 01 10:59
I have no tricks. You must ask a better writer than I--
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permalink #414 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 6 Nov 01 11:00
permalink #414 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 6 Nov 01 11:00
Mike - I stand, in awe and wonder, at your insanity. Neil - Dear god... Kelly - Wow! Nice shots. I only took a quick gander at the last two individuals cause I'm at work, but they're quite neat. I especially like the three of you looking into the box... makes me think of an odd hybrid of the Fates and Pandora... Martha - quit dissing yourself. Don't make me come over there and praise you publicly again.
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permalink #415 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 6 Nov 01 11:00
permalink #415 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 6 Nov 01 11:00
But seriously, I have no tricks.
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permalink #416 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 6 Nov 01 11:36
permalink #416 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 6 Nov 01 11:36
that's fine you can have no tricks... but "ask a better writer than I" is like saying "I keep losing these major awards" when you should be saying "I keep getting nominated for these major awards" Self-negation is my job... I just gotta protect my turf, ya know. On the unusually-good-news-for-Dan front, a friend of mine just scored us tickets for Tori's show on Sunday! They're insanely expensive, but I don't mind. I can see the theatre from my window right now, and can't wait for Sunday to arrive. Wahoo!!
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permalink #417 of 2008: Ghost of JaNell's Post (goldennokomis) Tue 6 Nov 01 16:49
permalink #417 of 2008: Ghost of JaNell's Post (goldennokomis) Tue 6 Nov 01 16:49
Just got an email from filmmaker Joe Christ. He's a grandpa! "Here's a picture of Zoe Grace Linhart, born Oct.29, 2001. Her parents are Elle Sharp and Alan Linhart (my older son). -JC" She's gorgeous, too.
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permalink #418 of 2008: Ghost of JaNell's Post (goldennokomis) Tue 6 Nov 01 16:56
permalink #418 of 2008: Ghost of JaNell's Post (goldennokomis) Tue 6 Nov 01 16:56
pamela~ don't know if you want input from a beginner... but I just have to let the stories gestate. If I force them, it's pretty evident. So I guess I'd not be a good (fiction) writer on a deadline; my best stuff just forms there in my head and taps its foot impatiently until I write it down, and then I go back and edit for flow... I tend to edit heavily as I write for spelling and grammer and such. My best story has been almost silent since this summer, at about 85% finished. As I gain experience, and hopefully more feedback from writers (and thank you to all the people who've been reading my stuff at Excentrica, and commenting; it really means so much to me), I'll get to a more professional on-demand level of writing...
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permalink #419 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 6 Nov 01 17:55
permalink #419 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 6 Nov 01 17:55
Pamela -- it depends on the length of the story, and what else I need to do. There will always be resistance; sometimes because something isn't quite cooked yet, sometimes because it has a life of its own and it needs to follow its own path, sometimes because of laziness or intertia on the part of the writer, or a combination of all of them. I try and write more than one thing at a time, because if I get stuck on something I can do something else. For short projects I'll sometimes wait until the day when something gels, and write it then. (I wrote the Wolves in the Walls three or four times over about 18 months, each time from scratch, until I found the right voice and the right tone to tell the story with; at 2000 words or thereabouts it was easier and wiser to do it over than try and fix it.) Coraline took ten years. When you're working at novel length, though, I don't think there's room for that. You write on the good days and you write on the bad. (That's the biggest 'trick'. How do you write on the bad days? A word at a time.) I don't have an easy prescription. There's a short book I made up in about 1985 I think I'm almost good enough to write now. That one I've been putting off because I knew how much cooler a book it would be if I were a better writer. (But if I knew I were to die in a week I'd be pissed at myself for not having written it already.) Martha -- he does have a point, you know. I mean, you've been nominated for Hugos and Nebulas and the Campbell. And you've even won a Nebula... I'd certainly listen to anything you said about writing. Except I wish you'd write more.
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permalink #420 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 6 Nov 01 17:59
permalink #420 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 6 Nov 01 17:59
More suggestions from Kathy Li: Ok, one more suggestion. Try hauling the directories up the tree: move onetwothreefour four move fourfivesixseven seven .... --Kathy
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permalink #421 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 6 Nov 01 18:07
permalink #421 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 6 Nov 01 18:07
Well, but I haven't written in ever so long because it hasn't seemed I had anything worth writing. So therefore I'm in no position to give advice to those who do know they have something worth writing! Except, if it wants to be written, you should write it--definitely.
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permalink #422 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 6 Nov 01 18:26
permalink #422 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 6 Nov 01 18:26
Neil - Thank you. I realize that I'm coming from a place of "do as I say but not as I do", but I hate seeing people denigrate their talents... and obviously I've become a fan of Martha's writing over the last few months. *grin* Martha - I have to wonder... is it that you don't have anything worth writing, or that you just think you don't? I suspect I'd love to read something of yours that "isn't worth writing." Speaking of writing, I'm off to go post some new sonnets I wrote this weekend on my site before Madman and Miss Mousey descend on my apartment for Barking Mad Poker.
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permalink #423 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 6 Nov 01 19:09
permalink #423 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 6 Nov 01 19:09
Well, if it isn't worth writing to me, then it isn't worth writing to me, if you take the logic.... Writers are wrong all the time, as everyone knows, but you just can't really write unless you think it's not dumb.
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permalink #424 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 6 Nov 01 20:38
permalink #424 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 6 Nov 01 20:38
Martha -- well, no, you can't. But one is not always the best judge of what's any good. I remember reading "3 Septembers & a January" (the Emperor Norton story) in black and white, and realising it was not just the worst story I'd ever written, but quite possibly the worst that anyone had written. I mean, it was obvious, and dumb. I phoned Tom Peyer, the assistant editor of Sandman, and begged him simply cancel that issue and go on to the next. (He pointed out that that wasn't possible.) In retrospect I have no idea at all why I thought it was that bad.
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permalink #425 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 6 Nov 01 21:16
permalink #425 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 6 Nov 01 21:16
You have to think it's more or less worthwhile _while_ you're writing it, though, even if you then lose your nerve afterward. Several years ago a critic who had said more than a few more-in-sorrow-than- in-anger things about my writing, all of them easy enough to shrug off--I don't expect everyone to like what I write, and I can't think I've written anything that's going to work for everyone--said I was repeating myself. That was the only criticism that sunk in. Not repeating yourself. Hard.
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