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Topic 125: The Barking Mad Gaiman Mob: Who are these people and why won't they go away?
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permalink #451 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 7 Nov 01 18:39
permalink #451 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 7 Nov 01 18:39
Re: writing But the stuff that flows easily always seems to be my best stuff; it gets all dry and stiff and lifeless if I overwork it. Very happy with a stream of conciousness short I did this afternoon. It's a new form to me as writing, I like punctuation, but the story needed that to get the emotional impact I wanted... I did get this comment on the poem, which I like: "totally creeped me out. You are too morbid to be a mother."
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permalink #452 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 7 Nov 01 20:07
permalink #452 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 7 Nov 01 20:07
I wouldn't spoil anything about Buffy here. I talk about Buffy in the Buffy topic in the tv conference like god intended.
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permalink #453 of 2008: "Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Wed 7 Nov 01 20:33
permalink #453 of 2008: "Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Wed 7 Nov 01 20:33
Or at least like various demons intended.
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permalink #454 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Wed 7 Nov 01 20:40
permalink #454 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Wed 7 Nov 01 20:40
Thank you everyone who has said nice things about the photoshoot - it was very trying to do! Like herding cats, only harder, I think,... yeeesh! Just getting all the egos into one room was a real trick. And JaNell - heh, well, we are all considered larger girls. We fit anywhere from size 14-20, between the three of us, depending on the manufacturer. And when you consider that most models don't, especially most goth models who tend to bear striking resemblance to sticks, yeah,... Neil- I just saw the international covers for various books - I love the Hungarian version of Smoke and Mirrors! *gasp* It's beautiful! The signing photos look, well, painful more than anything. Sebastian actually refused to take photos of you while at the Seattle signings (he was at both) - he said you looked too tired, and too much like a caged animal. (Then again, this was the signing and Keane Hall where we were all asked to return to chairs, because we apparently were "making the author feel as tho you're about to stampede him.") Happy slightly early birthday, Neil, as on Saturday I'm going to be off helping an absolutely charming two year old celebrate being two years old. :-) (If anyone would like to suggest excellent gift ideas for a two year old, I'm more than... AAAH! Day I Swapped My Dad! Perfect! Jen and Ry can read it to her til she can read it to herself! More ideas welcome, too,... heheh... but I really wanted to get her a book, and that would be perfect,...) You know, I'll admit, I've not read anything you've published Martha,... altho being unemployed, I should really take the time to. :-) However, I do enjoy your writing here, and certainly join in saying with everyone else that I hope you continue to write, only because I envy you for writing at all. :-) -Kelly
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permalink #455 of 2008: 27Punk, 55-3.1028E+231oth (goldennokomis) Wed 7 Nov 01 20:45
permalink #455 of 2008: 27Punk, 55-3.1028E+231oth (goldennokomis) Wed 7 Nov 01 20:45
Kelly~ Duplos, esp. the little dino sets... 'Cause Duplos lead to Legos. Both my kids play with them (4, & 14) and get more every birthday & christmas...
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permalink #456 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 7 Nov 01 20:56
permalink #456 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 7 Nov 01 20:56
About the previous Pseud... Don't ask. That's just the way my life is, right now.
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permalink #457 of 2008: Jinx now with no computer advice or spoliers (jinx) Wed 7 Nov 01 21:20
permalink #457 of 2008: Jinx now with no computer advice or spoliers (jinx) Wed 7 Nov 01 21:20
Tree, it's been taped and on it's way but you have to have seen one little part of the episode before it to totally get it. Package should be in the mail tomorrow. Neil, have no help for you,....however do have an ex who runs the IT department in Connecticut, so if it's bad I can seak help. But I'm pretty sure you've got it under control. Kippers,.....ok,..I tried them,....for about 2 seconds, spit it into a napkin, politely and went on with my breakfast. Martha,....it's not a spolier but wasn't Spike totally yummy? I need to go to CA. and see him sing with his band in a big way now. on the birthday note, Happy thought Neil, and anyone and everyone going to BosKone, is welcome to come to my last and final birthday ever. Plans are in the works but nothing confirmed. Jinx who tried to stay 28 forever but was told that wasn't allowed Kelly wonderful pics, and I know the size thing, depending I'm either a 10 to and 18,...I have shirts that are smalls to 2xls
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permalink #458 of 2008: A Pretend Writer (erynn-miles) Wed 7 Nov 01 21:25
permalink #458 of 2008: A Pretend Writer (erynn-miles) Wed 7 Nov 01 21:25
JaNell- I don't mind being invisible sometimes. It comes in particularly handy when one is doing something illegal or when I say something stupid. Although, I do need luv'ins from time to time. Will/Pamela et al- Everything Neil said, plus another interesting "trick". When you've been stuck on a story for a week or more chances are there's something "wrong" with it, though, sometimes it doesn't take much to correct it. For instance, I've gotten stuck on stories where I thought I could never finish them. I thought they just weren't meant to be written. But much of the way a story flows comes down to point of view. Who's telling the story? Maybe they don't want to be the ones to tell it. Many times I've rewritten the same story from a different point of view (changed it from 1st person to 3rd or visa-versa) and suddenly I wasn't stuck anymore. I'm so glad I'm only doing short stories right now. I would hate to re-write a novel. Martha- That is my worst fear as well. I just finished a second draft of a story and showed it to a friend. He says: "It's just like such and such movie. Well not exactly, but almost." It's a movie I haven't seen before, but as he explained the plot, I realized that, in good conscience, I couldn't submit it to anyone. So I stewed and I stewed. Then when I wasn't stewing, I got more ideas. I added those ideas and then added an extra twist at the end. It's now more or less the same story only more interesting, (hopefully) complicated (yet simple), and therefore nothing like the movie anymore. I think that every artist recycles things. Archetypes. You can't really avoid using them. But as long as people add their own perspectives to it, I don't think the average reader minds. Or even the above average reader. Although, when reading your stories I never stopped and thought "I've read/heard something like this before." And you're one of the few authors I've read where I haven't said that. So I don't really think you have anything to worry about. Like Neil and many others, I would be very disappointed if you never wrote another story. And you know, what with the age of the Internet, if you're worried about a story, you could always upload it somewhere temporarily, and we could tell you how much we love it and how much you need to get it published :) And now it's time for me to mind my own business and "put my money where my mouth is" or something like that. Ta-ta.
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permalink #459 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Wed 7 Nov 01 23:33
permalink #459 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Wed 7 Nov 01 23:33
Um, hi! Mike--your last post was hysterical. Neil--you're right. He *is* good. World Market carries Cadbury's biscuits. Just thought everyone should know.....
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permalink #460 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Wed 7 Nov 01 23:35
permalink #460 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Wed 7 Nov 01 23:35
Linda - Supposed to shoot at an Italian cemetary in Colma, and at Lone Tree in Hayward... sometime in December now. My photographer's wife is still too ill to travel at present. I do want to head out to MVC at some point tho'. Too cool to pass up. Kelly - Amazing photos! Wow! Martha - Agreed on Buffy! (just saw it on Daddio's Tivo this afternoon) As for repeating yourself in writing... what <stagewalker> said. And the whole telling stories that have already been told thing - who is to say that you can't tell it better in the next round? Shakespeare comes to mind with that notion. So keep writing, Martha! Pleeeeeeeeeeze? Neil - Good luck with Endless Nights. And sometimes art is created and *then* meaning is found in how it's interpreted. At least that explains half the work done by a former roommate (including a bronzed bust of my ex-boyfriend from Hell). Okay, phonecall is distracting me so I'll post more later. toodles, squeaks
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permalink #461 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Wed 7 Nov 01 23:45
permalink #461 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Wed 7 Nov 01 23:45
Weird question - can anyone recommend a good silversmith who creates custom jewelry and has a web site? -Kel
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permalink #462 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 8 Nov 01 01:11
permalink #462 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 8 Nov 01 01:11
E-mail sent to Kelly!
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permalink #463 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 8 Nov 01 01:12
permalink #463 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 8 Nov 01 01:12
E-mail from Reg: Hello all, just poking my head back in since I finally have home internet access again. I'll second Jinx's Boskone birthday invitation, although in my case the milestone will be a little happier, as the son of a carpenter named Joseph, it will be rather a relief to make it beyond 33. Neil, I'm afraid I can't offer any help on the computer woes except to remind you how many tech support guys it takes to change a lightbulb: "Well the lightbulb we have here seems to be working fine..." Reg
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permalink #464 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 8 Nov 01 10:58
permalink #464 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 8 Nov 01 10:58
Neil, honey, re: the blogger entry on the dates of the pics... Since the urls of the pics all have the towns in which they were taken on them, can't you just extrapolate the dates from the town?
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permalink #465 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 8 Nov 01 11:17
permalink #465 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 8 Nov 01 11:17
Never mind, I 'll send them...
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permalink #466 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Thu 8 Nov 01 14:24
permalink #466 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Thu 8 Nov 01 14:24
My copy of Now We Are Sick just arrived... ... and I have to do work. ... damn
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permalink #467 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Thu 8 Nov 01 15:23
permalink #467 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Thu 8 Nov 01 15:23
Another quick question - there have been rumours of Tori magically appearing after the shows to sign things, say hello, etc - are these rumours true? (WhatsHisName has heard this from other sources, and is somewhat tempted to bring the new musicbook if such rumours are true,...) Cheers! -Kelly
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permalink #468 of 2008: haunted by the ghosts of long-dead cookies (rick-baumhauer) Thu 8 Nov 01 18:28
permalink #468 of 2008: haunted by the ghosts of long-dead cookies (rick-baumhauer) Thu 8 Nov 01 18:28
Have to admit, I was a bit perplexed when I found over 100 new posts in about 4 days time, so I scrolled down to make sure nothing awful had happened :) Relieved, I went back and discovered it was mostly due to Neil's computer problems and Martha maintaining that she doesn't have anything worth writing, when we all *know* that's not true (but will probably have to wait for Martha to come to the same conclusion, dammit). Neil - Coming in a bit late, and can't help with the current problems w/Win2K, but for the future, this will make things easier, especially when the OS needs to be re-installed. In Outlook Express, go to Tools menu > Options > Maintenance Tab, and click on the Store Folder button. Click on the Change button, and point it at the folder of your choice (you should create a folder ahead of time for this). If you have to re-install the OS in the future, you just repeat the process after you open Outlook Express for the first time, and it will find all of your old mail. You should also do this with the My Documents folder if you usually save your stuff there, as that's also buried in your Profile folder by default. If you use the standard Windows Address Book, it's usually good to save a copy of it in the mail folder, as well, since it can disappear in a reinstall if you're not careful (like I wasn't two weekends ago - still rebuilding my work contacts list.......). Okay, enought geekery from me - you'd think I'd have had enough by now, what with being at work for 13 1/2 hours yesterday trying to resurrect a NT4 server/Firewall that had a major disagreement with a network card. By the end of business today, we were back to where we started yesterday morning. The joy of IT! I do, however, get lunch on my boss tomorrow for finishing the fix today. PS: did I mention that my wife and I are separated but living (amicably) in the same apartment, and that this is the second time this has happened in my life? Not to rain on the "Love Parade", mind you - I still believe in it, just not here-and-now.........
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permalink #469 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 8 Nov 01 18:55
permalink #469 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 8 Nov 01 18:55
How do you do that? I once had a boyfriend whose parents were divorced and dad just moved into the den. Then he got sick and they remarried just before he died. Very strange. I can't imagine staying in the same house with an ex or a soon-to-be...
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permalink #470 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Thu 8 Nov 01 19:27
permalink #470 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Thu 8 Nov 01 19:27
Kelly -- There was a small throng gathered around the parking lot after the Detroit Tori show, so it wouldn't surprise me if she made an appearance. She's terrific about that. Rick & Linda -- My mom and stepdad married, divorced a few years later, she moved out of state and then back into the state, and when she came back she moved back in. They just seemed to be much better friends than they ever were spouses. Strange but true.
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permalink #471 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Thu 8 Nov 01 19:33
permalink #471 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Thu 8 Nov 01 19:33
I have a friend whose sister, I'll all her Karen, met & fell in love with a man who was still legally married. We all thought she was nuts. What had happened was that when "John" and his wife "Ann" were filing for divorce, they discovered that she had a fatal degenerative disease. Since Ann had been a stay-a-home mom, if they divorced she would lose her insurance coverage. So they separated, but stayed married. When Ann got really sick, for the last couple of years of her life, guess who took care of her? Karen. She said that she loved his kids, and wanted them to be able to spend as much quality time as possible with their mom, so she moved in with them. She eventually passed away, and Karen & John are now happily married. The things people find inside themselves to do out of love for each other never cease to amaze me.
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permalink #472 of 2008: haunted by the ghosts of long-dead cookies (rick-baumhauer) Thu 8 Nov 01 19:37
permalink #472 of 2008: haunted by the ghosts of long-dead cookies (rick-baumhauer) Thu 8 Nov 01 19:37
Well, the lease runs through March, and the rent is a stretch for either of us alone (I can do it, but it wouldn't be easy - though I make less than she does, my expenses and lifestyle are cheaper). We get along fine as long as we don't talk about the relationship, so I'm living in the living room, and she's in the bedroom and her studio/office. We're fortunate to have 2 full baths, and we're sharing custody of the kitchen :) It would never work as something permanent, but until we save up some money, I guess it works okay. She seems to be intending to spend weekends away, which helps, though there is surprisingly little tension in the air right now. It probably helps that I'm really easy to live with - I do my "share of the chores" without prompting, and I don't have a problem being nice and supportive regardless of the relationship issues. That's probably the midwesterner in me coming out :) Mind you, I'm hoping to be alone in this place by the end of the year or so, just so we can both start moving forward a bit more convincingly. We can't do that together - she's not a bad person by any stretch of the imagination, just impossible in a relationship (for me, though I think she'd be challenging for anybody).
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permalink #473 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Thu 8 Nov 01 22:44
permalink #473 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Thu 8 Nov 01 22:44
Rick - I'm with you. I've been keeping nice and quiet on the love thing in here... And as someone who had two ex-girlfriends in the same office... I can understand the "enforced time together whether you like it or not so lets all be as good to each other as possible" kind of situation. Ick
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permalink #474 of 2008: Jouni Koponen (jonl) Fri 9 Nov 01 06:03
permalink #474 of 2008: Jouni Koponen (jonl) Fri 9 Nov 01 06:03
Email from Jouni Koponen: Hi again. And thanks for the kind words. You people are the best. Neil -- If I'm not entirely wrong, you'll have a birthday coming up next saturday (November 10th). If that is correct, and since I don't have a net access during weekend, well... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE PRINCE OF STORIES... TO YOU NEIL! I'll promise to draw something (hopefully) cool and post it to my online-picture garage first thing next monday as a late birthday card. Promise. But right now I can only give you a small story... or a mystery... or something. This is a true story (actually it's happening in front of me as we spe... err... write. Our ad-agency is located to a very idylic part of the town (old wooden houses, big trees etc.), no industry, no shops, just people living all around us... get the picture, right. Few days ago our nextdoor neighbor died. He was an old man living alone in his house. He seemed quite mad; he dressed weird and talked/shouted/laughed to himself. My office window gave (and still does) to his house, so I saw him almost every day standing on his yard doin' something and talking to someone who wasn't there. A year back he was still kind of chubby and healthy but recently he had lost weight and his skin looked grey... he seemed ill. Couple days back I saw an ambulance and a police car parked in front of his house. I haven't seen anyone move in the house since. But the WEIRD thing is how animals now behave around the house. Dogs go nuts when they pass it. They either start barking like mad or just run from their owners and to the dead mans yard chasing something invisible. And this morning when I came to work there was a huge flock of crows in his yard, hopping in the snow or sitting on the apple trees. They didn't seem to do anything, they just... dunno... waited. When someone walked by they flew away, but returned as soon as the person had gone by. They spent most of the morning there and left when sun was high and shone bright. It was really creepy. How do they know? Do they smell it or what? Kinda reminds me about The Kindly Ones too... There. Have a nice weekend everybody. Jouni (who's looking forward his first fathersday (as a father) this sunday)
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permalink #475 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Fri 9 Nov 01 07:59
permalink #475 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Fri 9 Nov 01 07:59
Kelly -- Tori did an after-show meet&greet at the show I went to, so I'd say that the rumours are likely true. Neil -- Happy Birthday a day early! I too am unlikely to get online tomorrow, so there you go. Hope this next year of life proves even more joyous and prosperous than the last.
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