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permalink #701 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Mon 19 Nov 01 19:20
permalink #701 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Mon 19 Nov 01 19:20
Oooops, forgot (you'd think after I double-posted, I could shut up, but nooooooo) Pamela--the lemon-scented bat story can be found in....I think the first incarnation of this topic. It is quite amusng. If you have nothing else to do with the next year or so, you can read the exceptionally silly backlog of topics we have accrued. Soon we will need our own wing of the library. Thank God for L-space! And Goddess help the Librarian(s)! Ook. M.
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permalink #702 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 19 Nov 01 19:47
permalink #702 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 19 Nov 01 19:47
I just finished a book about Unions and strikes and murders and feuds in East Tennessee; the next book I picked up to read happened to be about... Unions and strikes and murders and feuds in W. Virginia. In both cases, hard-working people getting screwed by Big Business. Pretty sychronous, what with ConCat getting canceled at, essentially, corporate level of the hotel. Was the universe trying to tell me something here, like that pre-MadCon dream I had? Oh, and Michelle, when I flew into O'Hare, to go to MadCon, I picked up the rental car and spent fifteen minutes of what-the-F-is-wrong-with-this-car getting out of the parking lot before I realized that I wasn't clutching, I was braking. Lemon scented... no, I *still* do not need that visual.
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permalink #703 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 19 Nov 01 19:50
permalink #703 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Mon 19 Nov 01 19:50
Mary Roane~Hugs needed, and received.
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permalink #704 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Mon 19 Nov 01 20:22
permalink #704 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Mon 19 Nov 01 20:22
Dan and Mary and all: Yes indeedy, Kenneth is to play Gilderoy Lockhart, the self-obsessed Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher. I agree that Rickman kind of is perfect for Sirius Black but he is rocking as Snape. I could see...hmmm...Ralph Feinnes as Sirius. That family makes me weak in the knees. It has to be someone dark and brooding. OK, I'm going to stop Pottering around now. JaNell, sucks about ConCat. sorry.
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permalink #705 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Mon 19 Nov 01 21:43
permalink #705 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Mon 19 Nov 01 21:43
Indeed it does. And what she said. Miss Mousey (Good Mistress Mousey Accost, I keep hearing it as), - Steve Brust is very fun to talk to and is not to be trusted. Y'know, that is an excellent summation of Steve's perverse charm. I can no longer remember whether, back when he was doing a reading at a convention I was wearing a programming co-chair hat for, we actually did laminate the pages of his story and have him do his reading in the hot tub surrounded by gorgeous babes, or whether at some point we all merely drank sufficient amounts of various libations that it seems to have happened, but either way, it was a Very Steve Kind Of Thing. Get him to do the Steve Brust Good Parts Version of the movie Tombstone sometime, if you really wanna have some fun. When Mr. Ford and I were in Las Vegas the time before last, he and Steve and Emma (Bull) and I were all at the table together, and there was much badinage regarding research into various aspects of the events of 1881, et cetera. Ooh. That reminds me. Gotta do a zine. About the old west stuff, and the research and all that, basically. But first, more metal-bending art. And then sleep, probably. But a zine, ere long, must come to pass, if only to use the title: "Backlit". Made Emma giggle, so it's gotta be OK. It's from Mr. Ford's line, back when he was teasing me because I have a crush on Doc Holliday: "Wyatt, why is everything we do in the Old West backlit?"
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permalink #706 of 2008: good mistress mousey accost (miss-mousey) Mon 19 Nov 01 22:26
permalink #706 of 2008: good mistress mousey accost (miss-mousey) Mon 19 Nov 01 22:26
Kelly - If you can scrape the funds together, it's often a worthwhile journey to see other thingies en masse. JaNell - Well, the cemetary photos are from my own personal library of them, so thank you for the offer, but I'm just going to have to take them myself. And it's good to know I'm not the only one who forgets how to work those autos. Mary - Thank you. I figure I might as well bombard the topic while I still can. Normally if I'm awake enough, I'm working on sewing projects these days. But just now, I trust myself much more on a keyboard than with a rotary cutter (ouch! <-- she says speaking from experience). And I don't know if I'll be alive to post after the Friday madness sucks the life out of me that this past weekend just put in me. <lioness> - The comment was actually sparked by discussion of the slave auction at Exoticon. Someone asked whether I would participate. I explained that I was too broke to buy anyone and too wary to offer myself as a slave. Steve said something like "You can trust me", and let's just say I don't hear Neil laugh that hard very often. Still, note to self re: Tombstone. And zines are always fun. :) squeaks, who thinks it might be late enough to go to bed now.
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permalink #707 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Mon 19 Nov 01 23:25
permalink #707 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Mon 19 Nov 01 23:25
>>so, i don't know if you all remember, but i work at Warner Brothers, >>progenitors of the Harry Potter phenomenon. Adriana, I don't think "progenitors" can be the word you wanted there. AOL Time Warner Turner Uncle Tom Cobleigh And All (a division of the Acme Corporation) is several things to the phenomenon, but they came afterward. "Promulgators," maybe? That's at least a nonjudgemental word.
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permalink #708 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 04:17
permalink #708 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 04:17
Kelly, Michelle is right. And Thingees are added insurance for "God I'm sooo bored let's get drunk and rent bad porn" Saturday nights at Cons, and I have MadCon pics from same to prove it! Maure and NightWalker are clearly visible... Dang, if I'd've known that this would happen to ConCat, I'd've found a way to go to Exoticon... New Orleans rocks.
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permalink #709 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Tue 20 Nov 01 04:38
permalink #709 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Tue 20 Nov 01 04:38
JaNell, I'm very sorry about ConCat. I know how excited you were about it. On a lighter note, it wasn't just porn, it was Nothing But Sex. Walker and Grover stayed to watch the entire thing. Megan fell asleep like a rock near the end. When we checked out, we had to pay for the "movie," and the girl behind the counter kind of had that secret half smirk, so we told her Jeremy from DreamHaven rented it in our room. I would say he started scowling when we told him, but he was scowling before. I am very happy today. Sometimes I really love my job. This is the last day of work this week for me, and it's Pajama Day. The entire elementary school gets to wear pajamas for the day. And then a five day weekend! I'll have so much time, I won't know what to do with it all!
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permalink #710 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Tue 20 Nov 01 05:30
permalink #710 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Tue 20 Nov 01 05:30
>>I just finished a book about Unions and strikes and murders and feuds in East Tennessee;<< *blinks* Reading this the first time thru, I thought it said "a book about unicorns, strikes and murders and feuds"... and needless to say, I was confused. :-) And I'm sorry about the con, JaNell - that really sucks. Squeaks - I would have gone to Exoticon, had I known it was last weekend before the weekend was up. I happened to see RT from Seattle to New Orleans for $200, and easily could have afforded that,... alas and oh well. Lionness - an old west zine would be incredible! And, and, Doc Holliday? *drools* My dad is big into the old west, and used to take me off hunting ghost towns, a passion I've kept as an adult. When we lived in Reno, we'd take off almost every weekend to go see what we could find,... amazing stuff out there. (I've even been to the tourist trap known as Tombstone, which was still fun in its own touristy way,...) I think my favourite ghost town is in middle of nowhere Nevada, next to the almost ghost town of Ione. It's a park, because they discovered icthyosaurs (sp) there - a whole huge bed of their bones, almost an elephant (well, icthyosaur) graveyard type of fossil bed. There were so many that they didn't pull all of them out, just resined them over and a building on top, so you can experiance a real life dino dig,... plus a nicely preserved ghost town on top of that. I should scan in ghost town pictures, some time,... Adriana - how very cool for getting the extra day off; some friends are glad they could help you out there. (I plan on contributing to the films take late late late tomorrow night. Or, I suppose, tonight, since it's the next day, even if I can't sleep,...) -Kelly, going to try to sleep again,...
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permalink #711 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 05:42
permalink #711 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 05:42
Maure~I don't know about excited, exhausted is more like it! A very few of us worked very hard all year, with the most bizarre setbacks - Neil helped us with one of them, actually - and then... *whimper* Hush up with your five day weekend. Nothing But Sex~I could have done w/o the metal nail decals in that one scene, Ouch! And it's amazing what you learn about people, watching porn with them... Jeremy was a hoot, and if it's his Con in Minneapolis that Michelle is talking about, it sure looks to be worth going to. Grover, now, who would have thought that someone working for the CBLDF would have to have so much explained to him? (By the way, y'all, Maure and her sister are gorgeous.) Kelly~ "unicorns, strikes and murders and feuds" OK, who here reads *too much* fantasy? (grin)
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permalink #712 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 05:53
permalink #712 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 05:53
Kelly~Totally mised the dino dig bit. I want to go out there so badly... One of the things my husband and I have in common is a love of digging up stuff, and poking it, and such. There's a prehistoric animal dig, preserved much the way you describe, not far up the road from Cam's Townsend dig (http://chad-c.dyndns.org/). Which they haven't thrown him out of yet, thankfully, although he's just doing paperwork at this point. The end date for the dig follow-up is the end of the year, and this time they mean it. Maybe.
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permalink #713 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Tue 20 Nov 01 07:10
permalink #713 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Tue 20 Nov 01 07:10
JaNell -- I like King's writings. They're a different sort of thing than, say, Pynchon, but it flows and it entertains and, in the case of most of the stuff he's written since the accident, it moves me. Is Potter really on that level? If so, I may enjoy it after all. Sorry to hear about ConCat; there's no way to raise $3.2k?
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permalink #714 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 07:42
permalink #714 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 07:42
Dan Guy~Harry Potter is enjoyable; so much so that I mainlined all of 'em over Labor Day weekend. As for raising the money... We're all tapped out, and even draining the remainder of my accident settlement wouldn't have been enough. Maybe if even half of the people planning to come had pre-registered... *sigh*. Calls were made. It was just not doable, on such short notice. We're unfunded, Not-For-Profit status; even us Board Members pay to get in. We're planning on regrouping, though. Ziggy & I will be going to more cons, networking; KASFA (Knoxville Area Science Fiction Association) will be working on other projects, as well as revamping ConCat; and we'll be working with some of the other groups in town, like the local Goth crowd (http://easttngothic.proboards.com/index.cgi) to bring some life back into Knoxville. People forget that there's more here than football.
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permalink #715 of 2008: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Tue 20 Nov 01 09:44
permalink #715 of 2008: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Tue 20 Nov 01 09:44
JaNell: sorry to hear your con folded. I'm guessing this year is going to be tough for a lot of the smaller and mid-sized fan run conventions (as opposed to, say, Cretin cons), what with folks losing their jobs left right and centre, and also being wary of travelling. I'm hoping it evens out by MediaWest (huge fanzine con in Michigan every Memorial Day Week-end), but even if only half of M*WC shows up, that's still over 500 participants... Me, I have no fear of travelling. I do, however, have fear of not making rent. Hence skipping Windycon and Capricon this year, tho I'm gonna try for World Horror Con, since last time it was in Chicago area (I think it was actually out in "Where the hell is the city? Oh wait, isn't there an IKEA near here?" otherwise known as The [ DA DA DA DUUUU M] Dreaded Suburbs) I couldn't afford it then either, and just went to visit with friends on Sunday. I actually need to scope out local media cons, to see if I can net some interviews to snag some extra income this winter.... Pray for me!
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permalink #716 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Tue 20 Nov 01 10:14
permalink #716 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Tue 20 Nov 01 10:14
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA...."AOL Time Warner Turner Uncle Tom Cobleigh And All (a division of the Acme Corporation)" Mr. Ford, you are so right. I stand deeply corrected. working for The Man has turned my head to goo.
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permalink #717 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 10:17
permalink #717 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 10:17
Tara~Yes, people would rather pay $85 for a shot at seeing one of dozens of guests through the maddening crowds at one of the bigger Cons than pay $35 to be able to meet and talk with only a few... <shrug> Back to how you want to spend your day, I guess. One of our panels this year was "The Future of Small Cons, and Do They Have One?" Re: The writing; have you tried the looking through want ads in Inscriptions (http://www.inscriptionsmagazine.com)? I'm not sure what all kinds of writing you do, but they're a pretty good source and well worth the money. One of the trips a group of us is planning is to go to World Horror, so I might meet you there. Dern that slippery Adriana!
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permalink #718 of 2008: Pumpkins can be trained (pamela-bird) Tue 20 Nov 01 11:23
permalink #718 of 2008: Pumpkins can be trained (pamela-bird) Tue 20 Nov 01 11:23
Squeaks: Which con did you mean, regarding the gathering of Thingie?. I'm hoping to try to go a-stalkin' next year, if there's somewhere with a large gathering of Thingies. JaNell: I agree with Tara regarding the trouble all sorts of small venues are probably having this year. I'm so sorry. Can I be totally lazy and ask you where/when World Horror is going to be? Mary: Thanks much for the heads-up on the location of the lemon bats story, but there's no way I'm going to have time to go back and read that topic. Things is nuts. Anybody want to take pity on me? Also: Humanities fest people--did Neil's beard make it to Chicago or not? Pictures?
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permalink #719 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 20 Nov 01 11:25
permalink #719 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 20 Nov 01 11:25
>Thingie?. No s. Double punctuation. Missing bits and leftover pieces. Is it dementia or just giddy carelessness?
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permalink #720 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 20 Nov 01 11:26
permalink #720 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 20 Nov 01 11:26
>the gathering of Thingie Are we becoming a group mind, maybe?
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permalink #721 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Tue 20 Nov 01 11:41
permalink #721 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Tue 20 Nov 01 11:41
>> Kelly~ "unicorns, strikes and murders and feuds" OK, who here reads *too much* fantasy?<< *chuckle* I believe the last fantasy I read, of that genre, was many years ago - Eddings, maybe? I'm so high brow elite nowdays *rolls eyes*,... (my current reading list: Guns, Germs and Steel - a bit at a time, since it's written in an annoying fashion -, a book on advertising and consumerism, a book/textbook for poetry writing, and The History of Food). And yes, the ichthyosaur dig is really neat, even tho they don't actually let you dig. Mars wants to go to Montana some time, out to the Badlands,... that should be fun. :-) (Well, he'd really like to go to Patagonia, but I don't see that in our near future.) -Kelly
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permalink #722 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 20 Nov 01 12:49
permalink #722 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 20 Nov 01 12:49
Yeeks. Kelli, I read that as "I'm so high brow elite nowdays *trolls eyes*" Ack! Today's bookstore score was a volume entitled ATLANTIS IN WISCONSIN by Frank Joseph. [Galde Press, Inc. ISBN: 1-880090-12-0] It's amusing. However, if everything in it is as... questionable as his geology and glacial geography, then it really ought to be shelved under Possibly Inadvertent Fiction. An example will suffice. Here's the actual true info about Devil's Lake, in Wisconsin. It's a spring-fed lake in what used to be a short section of the bed of an old river. When the Wisconsin Glacier came along about fifteen thousand years ago, it didn't cover the entire area, but instead two lobes of the glacier stretched out like pincers, pushing their dust-ruffle of kicked-up rocks in front of them, and the two pincer lobes almost closed on the spot that is now the lake. Almost, but not quite. Then, when the glacier retreated and melted, the dust-ruffle of boulders and stuff stayed at the furthest points of advance. (Those mounds of rocks and debris, which are also kind of like the foamy stuff pushed along by an advancing wave on the shore, are called glacial moraines -- sorry if I sound like a Little Golden Book of Glacial Geography, here, but I love this stuff, and I don't assume everybody knows it, so if you do already know it, please forgive this long explanation.) So since the pincers didn't quite close, and since they were coming together from above and below and following the river valley, which was walled in quartzite ridges, the space between them where they didn't quite close is now a lake, with quartzite bluff walls on two opposing sides, and with huge rockpiles (those moraines) at each end. The rockpiles are amazing. (I think I rhapsodized about them someplace on the WELL a while back. Standing at their feet and looking up at this huge pile of talus, which is poised at the very angle of repose, which for sharp quartzite boulders the sze of desks and cars is pretty angular indeed, I had a deep shiver of awe hit me when I realized that this huge pile was the merest fringe on the hem of what had been thousands of feet of ice above where I was standing....) More basic info: http://www.saukcounty.com/devils.htm Cool techie glacial geology/geography info: http://www.uwmc.uwc.edu/geography/baraboo/baraboo.htm Hiking trail and park map here: http://www.devilslakewisconsin.com/Print_trail_map.htm and the park map shows the layout of the lake and the bluffs and the talus piles, although I couldn't find a really good map anyplace. But the trail descriptions and ratings will give some idea of how fierce some of the bluffs and rockpiles are. When the Potholes trail, for example, says "distance .3 miles, hiking time 2 hours," they ain't kidding. And nearby Parfrey's Glen really is a magical site, as they say. Definitely elf turf. Very cool indeed. So is all of the Driftless Area, which as the site says "remained, almost inexplicably, unglaciated throughout the Ice Age, even as surrounding areas were overrun by ice several times in the past 2 million years." (Well, of course it did. Fae have ways of keeping importunate glaciers from trompling stuff, if they wish. [Gleeful cackle from the Lioness, as she contemplates various other notes for the 1881 project....]) Oh, I was going to tell you what ATLANTIS IN WISCONSIN said about the lake. Here: "[The lake] radiates beauty of a very unusual kind. Although only three miles across, it is almost completely surrounded by high cliffs of purple quartzite, honeycombed with caves and adorned with the abstractly fashioned sculpture of eons. High trails wind through pine woods encircling the water and wander off into additional hundreds of acres of untouched forest. Some of the views, particularly toward the north, are so spectacular, they are more characteristic of Colorado than Wisconsin. Dusk suffuses the site with a singular enchantment, as the purple quartzite cliffs glow in the direct rays of the setting sun. Although the lake appears to have been created by a colossal meteorite impact, volcanic forces, or some such violent geologic action, scholars believe it is the remnant of a vast sea that covered the entire state seven million years ago." -- AIW, page 113 Uh, not quite. There are cliffs, yes, but it's two ridges of bluffs and two rockpiles.... And actually, I think the glacial history explanation is more interesting than the lukewarm leftovers of the seven-million-year-old lake in that placid sentence. Not to mention the fact that, well, glaciers *are* violent geologic action. Yes, they're in slow motion -- but slow power is still power, and whether the destructing and building takes place in an hour or an eon, it's still powerful change. [Um, I suppose it's obvious that I get passionately involved in the geological background of some of my research and writing projects.... I'll go sit quietly on a moraine now and ponder things some more. But I do encourage people to see Devil's Lake if they get the chance, and definitely consider hiking some of the trails if you can.]
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permalink #723 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 12:57
permalink #723 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 20 Nov 01 12:57
On the way to Chattanooga from Knoxville, there's The Lost Sea (http://www.monroecounty.com/lost.html).
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permalink #724 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 20 Nov 01 13:06
permalink #724 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 20 Nov 01 13:06
Whoa!! That is intense. I like this page. It'd make good wallpaper.... http://www.thelostsea.com/
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permalink #725 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 20 Nov 01 13:26
permalink #725 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 20 Nov 01 13:26
Whoa, Lioness!! Fabulous images. Now I want to see that! Is purple quartzite anything like amethyst? And, if I could have a pseud in this conference, I'd surely choose "dust-ruffle of kicked-up rocks."
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