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Topic 125: The Barking Mad Gaiman Mob: Who are these people and why won't they go away?
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permalink #1151 of 2008: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Tue 11 Dec 01 04:47
permalink #1151 of 2008: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Tue 11 Dec 01 04:47
worm and fuzzy? *sigh* well, warm, worm, whatever....
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permalink #1152 of 2008: Daniel (dfowlkes) Tue 11 Dec 01 07:01
permalink #1152 of 2008: Daniel (dfowlkes) Tue 11 Dec 01 07:01
<scribbled by dfowlkes Tue 3 Jul 12 10:14>
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permalink #1153 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Tue 11 Dec 01 09:51
permalink #1153 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Tue 11 Dec 01 09:51
Dan Wilson is my new best friend.
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permalink #1154 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 11 Dec 01 10:09
permalink #1154 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 11 Dec 01 10:09
Mostly just wanted to pop in to add a belated Happy Hannukah to anyone who wants one. Rick: I loved your description of the actual experience of things so fast and powerful. Some things are just a rush! My brother-in-law is really into car racing. He builds custom, high-performance steering boxes for race cars. He helped develop a prototype with Carrol Shelby and has worked with the Newman team. I was lucky enough, when I worked in TV, to meet some cool people. I confess to going a little fangirl over Mario Andretti--at the time he was the only person ever to win both the Indy 500 and the Formula 1, I believe. Johnny Rutherford was very nice and really funny, too. But the best story I have about raw power goes back to that airshow. (Thanks for the correction re: Harriers' development, BTW. I hate propagating bad information.) We saw the Harriers, then the Air Force had their moment. And then, in the middle of various flybys and announcements about the awesome speed, firepower, etc., they announced that the planes had to leave. They took off, the Harriers cleared out, everybody skeedaddled. And the crowd collectively turned around to watch in stunned fascination as the biggest, blackest, wildest wall of clouds and wind and rain rolled straight at us. It was awesome. I've honestly never seen anything like it. When it hit, tents went flying, camouflage took wing, lawn chairs rocketed across the field, hats left heads forever, coats were ripped open, people were huddling together and walking bent at angles into the wind and rain. I just stood (huddling) with my friends and laughed and laughed and laughed. I figure Mother Nature had had enough of all that bragging, and had decided to show us what *real* power was all about. And all the pretty toys ran away.
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permalink #1155 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 11 Dec 01 10:10
permalink #1155 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 11 Dec 01 10:10
*purrrrrrrr*
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permalink #1156 of 2008: haunted by the ghosts of long-dead cookies (rick-baumhauer) Tue 11 Dec 01 11:30
permalink #1156 of 2008: haunted by the ghosts of long-dead cookies (rick-baumhauer) Tue 11 Dec 01 11:30
Tara - I'm pretty sure that you meant "The Last Uni*corn*" back there, though my knowledge of Beagle's work is less-than-encyclopedic. Pamela - Yeah, Mother Nature has to let us all know who's boss every now and again. Mario Andretti was my favorite driver growing up, and one of my best friends still goes all fangirl over him. I have pictures of her meeting him at a book signing, and I picked up a signed hardcover of his new biography that just came out for her for Christmas. We have a good arrangement - we don't necessarily buy things for each other for birthdays or Christmas, but if we see something the other person absolutely MUST have, we get it. BTW, Mario is the only American (technically, I guess he's naturalized, since he was born in Italy) to win both the Indy 500 and the Formula One World Championship. Jim Clark and Graham Hill had done it before him, and now Jacques Villeneuve has also done it. Still, very select company, and no driver has ever (or will ever, most likely) match Mario's accomplishments in all forms of racing. Racing tends to look all clinical most of the time on TV (except for the crashes), when in person, it's this incredibly visceral thing. The cars sound and act like they are alive and *angry*. I'm already planning which races I want to attend next year - I'll probably go to at least two in August and maybe a third, plus some historical stuff that's more local. Can't wait!
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permalink #1157 of 2008: Too brain-dead to think of a creative pseud... (miss-mousey) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:14
permalink #1157 of 2008: Too brain-dead to think of a creative pseud... (miss-mousey) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:14
Rick - Yay to new places, an abundance of cabinets, and room for cats to go insane in! Pam - decorate-your-own-gingerbread-man-party? The only one of those I've ever been to turned hysterically obscene in the first 10 minutes and went further into the gutter from there (we tried to re-make scenes from Tarantino movies at one point). And Emma Bull very muchly does exist, and can't be bribed with Tim Tams (shock!) or even a spare kidney, but is otherwise extremely nice and all. (I took a picture of Neil introducing Tree to Emma - funniest moment at Book Soup, second only to Neil doing the Alan Moore impression and calling himself 'scary trousers'. Tree - Tikki tikki tembo... LOL! My 1st grade teacher actually *did* run out of breathe reading that to us and started coughing - I still remember it and laugh. comfort books - Peter Pan (but only with illustrations by Trina Schart Hyman - no relation), and The Princess Bride. Ooh, and any choral book with any arrangement I've sung a part of. Tho' this last tends to only apply when I'm actually singing in a choir. btw, went singing all over the City on Sunday (not Saturday, like I thought originally) - had so much fun! There are a few of us regulars who all came from different UCB choirs but meet up each year carolling, so this year we dubbed ourselves the '90s X-mas crew' and challenged ourselves by constantly changing parts. Tenors were singing alto and soprano, altos sang tenor, sopranos jumped down to alto and as no one else could hit the notes, the basses just made up new bass lines. :) The best stop was at the childrens' wing at UCSF Med Ctr. Speaking of choir stuff, if anyone remembers Shira, she just sent me a download link for "Lo How A Rose", which she sang in a trio with her choir. She's the 2nd Soprano. Sounds all pretty and stuff. http://www.geocities.com/s_hir_a/lo_how_a_rose.MP3
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permalink #1158 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:22
permalink #1158 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:22
Rick: Oops, again. The only *American* is what I must have remembered. Have fun at the races! JaNell: Congratulations on your two new endeavors in the Tennesse literary world! They sound like such wonderful opportunities to build hope and community; I hope they go fabulously. And I really hope you get a mentor. I don't think you should be disqualified; I think it should be required. As in, you need to be an "example," right? I mean, you're making up the rules, aren't you? Just put some bylines in to keep it from being misused by anybody and go for it! Because you definitely need someone to tell you that it *doesn't* stink. DanW: I *do* need a prompter. At most times and in most places. But ;p to you, just the same. Kathy/Jinx/Rocky: The "romance" issue reminded me of my favorite genre essay ever--"Dr. Doyle's SF Genre Rant." (copywrite) Dr. Debra Doyle contends that the SF novel is truly a "romance--again in the taxonomical, rather than sales-rack sense." I tend to agree with her wholeheartedly. Especially when she says: "Richness of Invention... will take precedence over Realism every time." (Please note: I don't think she means that research should go out the window by that.) You can read the whole thing here, and you should (especially the first two paragraphs): http://www.sfwa.org/writing/genre2.htm (Mousey slipped. No, it was a very well-behaved gingerbread man party.)
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permalink #1159 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:32
permalink #1159 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:32
Uiskejack/Tara: have you got the second Mairelon book, MAGICIAN'S WARD, and if so, did you like it? Pamela: re Mother Nature having had enough of all that bragging, and therefore saying, "Oh, you liked that? Watch THIS!", there was a time at the Winnipeg Folk Festival a bunch of years back, when they decided to follow the mainstage evening show with a brief but lovely display of fireworks. We all oohed and ahhed, and then walked back to the campground where our tents were, to have a very late snack and then think about making a little music around the campfire before bed. As we and a few hundred other campers went about these little tasks, the night sky started to dance the aurora borealis. It was really cool. Curtains and writhing sheets of colored cold flame, swirls and radiating lines of light that pulsed and shimmered. Somebody in the campground started applauding, and we all gave Mother Nature a standing ovation. And everybody had big goofy grins of delight, because sometimes it's just such a pure joy to see a pro do her stuff and blow everybody else off the stage. Ooh, segueway: one of the people applauding was Emma Bull; she was one of the founding members of our Winnipeg Folk Festival campsite, "The Village". So was Steve Brust, but I can't remember if he was there the year of the really cool aurora. Anyhow, they and the rest of Cats Laughing played at my thirtieth birthday party dance, opening for Boiled In Lead. It was big fun. And the other day, I found the master tape of it, which I promptly mislaid again; I really should make a better copy of that, for archival purposes. It was a lovely show, and a good birthday, even if I did sprain my ankle dancing to BoldNed and have to walk with a cane for the rest of the weekend. (Neil, I wish you had been around this part of the world then, because I long for you to have seen and heard Beth Meacham and Tappan King singing the Fishheads song on helium in the consuite at o-dark-thirty. *snrch*) Going to the track with Mike and winning wasn't a bad way to celebrate a birthday weekend, either.
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permalink #1160 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:38
permalink #1160 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:38
"Fish heads, fish heads, Roly poly fish heads Fish heads, fish heads, Eat them up, yum!"
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permalink #1161 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:40
permalink #1161 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:40
Pamela and Good Mistress Mousey Accost *both* slipt. Oh, and PETER PAN is one of my comfort books too, but only with the Roy Best illustrations, which came out a half-century or more ago, and which were the pictures in the copy the library had, back in the days when I was a library rat. [Note to self: must find copy of that, somewhere out in the wide world.]
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permalink #1162 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:41
permalink #1162 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:41
Somebody else slipt too, now! Up from under the post I was writing they came in, just when the post I was ready to enter.
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permalink #1163 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:45
permalink #1163 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Tue 11 Dec 01 12:45
So, Neil, were you at one time in a band with a man named Geoffrey Notkin? A good friend of mine worked with him at Routledge Press and insists he had a picture of you guys in a band together. Are you a musician? Is someone (probably me) confused?
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permalink #1164 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 11 Dec 01 13:05
permalink #1164 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 11 Dec 01 13:05
<lioness> That sounds like the best birthday ever. Beth Meacham singing the Fish Heads song?!? On helium?!? I've always, always wanted to see the Northern Lights. I've seen the Midnight Sun, though, so that's cool. (And actually I saw it alot, because I couldn't sleep.)
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permalink #1165 of 2008: Roxanne Cataudella (rocky-nyc) Tue 11 Dec 01 15:27
permalink #1165 of 2008: Roxanne Cataudella (rocky-nyc) Tue 11 Dec 01 15:27
My two comfort books are Frank Herbert's "God Emperor of Dune" and "The God in Flight" by Laura Argiri. Right now I'm frantically re-reading the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I *will* remember all those characters whose names the years have worn away. [Yeah, right.]
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permalink #1166 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Tue 11 Dec 01 15:41
permalink #1166 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Tue 11 Dec 01 15:41
neil, I was updating my wishlist at Amazon (which is a godsend - no more Very Interesting Items for Xmas from my relatives) and I saw Anne Bobby listed as a reader for the soon-to-be-published Murder Mysteries audiobook. Is she the same Anne Bobby as was in Nightbreed? You mentioned the name at one of your talks at MadCon. I had meant to ask you about her at the time, but didn't. I like very much what little I know of her as an actress. She kind of disappeared from film, although I think she was in Law and Order one episode. Oh, also, it lists the audiobook for MM as being abridged. Will there also be a complete version?
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permalink #1167 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 11 Dec 01 18:16
permalink #1167 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 11 Dec 01 18:16
85 new messages? (blinks.) I may miss a few... working backwards... Maure, same Anne Bobby. She was in many other things -- from Happiness to Cop Rock, and has just had her first book published (LOVE ME OR LEASH ME). The audio version of Murder Mysteries is A) *not* abridged and B) not coming out. Letters from Lawyers to the would-be publisher pointed out that buying the master tape from a bankrupt company, and buying the right to make a book of something, are two different things. The audio of Murder Mysteries and Snow Glass Apples will come out from Harper Collins in the second half of 2002. Adriana -- you can see a photo of me and Geoff in a band in 1976 or 77 in the back of The Kindly Ones. Rocky -- Diana certainly did give me a blurb for AG. Bless her. Kathy -- hurrah! Cabell is plentiful and cheap, so you should find Figures of Earth without too much trouble. It's so much fun. Pamela -- we made it graceful because we cheated. And I don't know who kissed me on the cheek, but if she had dark hair and was tall and thin, it was probably Emma, yes. (If not, it could have been anybody.) Tree -- You know, Holly got all the Tim Tams. Ninave -- the Midnight Rose books... I got dragooned in by some friends, having invented Temps a few years earlier, and then during the pitch meeting I made up The Weerde. And when the third book evaporated, I suggested Villains. Other people (Roz, Mary Gentle, Alec Stewart) did the real work -- all the editing and heavy lifting. I did a story with Roz Kaveney in The Weerde (book 1) -- I think I did the first draft and Roz did the second and then I polished it, and I wrote a chunk of the interstitial material in the first TEMPS. mary, Tara, Maure -- I think that Chris really IS that embarrassed in front of an audience. But he relaxed over dinner.
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permalink #1168 of 2008: Hello! (ninave-lake) Tue 11 Dec 01 18:39
permalink #1168 of 2008: Hello! (ninave-lake) Tue 11 Dec 01 18:39
Jo - I like romance, too. Actually, if I ever become a teacher, I'll send people off to study how Jude Deveraux writes dialogue...in fact, a bit of what I know about dialogue and characterization comes from her. She's really quite good....I considered writing romance, because, on occasion, I really enjoy it, but any attempts I make at it bores me to tears. I can't tell you why....I'll sit there, typing away, and I go, "You know? It's be really, really cool if when the heroine turns the corner she finds a dead body....or a dragon...a dragon hovering over a dead body. Yeah, that's the ticket." And you know, that's not part of that genre's set of conventions. The point? Oh yeah! There was one!!! I like them too, and there should be no shame in admitting it. My recent soap box has been all about how we allow collegiate snobbery to ruin a good time, but I think I won't go into that now. <hears sighs of relief, and sticks her tounge out in the sighs general direction> Phantom Toll Booth? you know, that's the fourth? times someone has mentioned that book to me in a month! It must be a sign that I should excavate my copy. I'm vaguely surprised and pleased, because so many people...like, usually, when a big group of people mention a book I sort of nod and go, "Should read that." and feel very behind the times. But I read it, too, as a kid (and as a very little kid the cover scared me, for some reason....) and so, for once, I feel like I'm with it. It's a surprisingly nice feeling. Woah. Dude. Totally misread that post. "Phantom of the Opera" Scuse me while I go wash my glasses. Comfort books! "Dragonsbane", by Barbara Hambly...actually, maybe I have comfort authors, not books....I used to find Sylvia Plath very comforting. And "A Knight in Shining Armor" by Jude Deveraux. Which I never thought I'd confess to in public...and, honestly, the Sandman series, because I always thought it must be nice, to be like Dream, and to be able to take care of everything so easily, then you realize he made a muck of it just like everyone else. Bill! That is SO cool! I've never heard of doing it, and I shall list it on my things to do. How long is this pie good for? Do you have to keep it warm to make it smell nice? JaNell: What a cool idea! Now wish I lived closer to Knoxville. ;) BTW, you don't need anyone to tell you your writing stinks. If I thought it was terrible, I wouldn't have said the nice things I did. Maure...if I may ask, why does that dictionary anger you? And I feel if you're going to buy a Webster's, go collegiate, because the other version doesn't have hardly any of the words. No reason to add that in, just did.... Now, for an uncomforting book....I finished, actually read Richard Bachmans book (Stephen Kings name is also on the cover) The Long Walk. It was the most horrifying, terrible, amazing and tremendous book Ive ever read. I did not read it because I was enjoying myself, I read it because I could not tear my eyes away from the page. It was also probably the best bit of social commentary Ala Shirley Jackson that Ive ever read. So cool, lets look at the other side of the coin....what books do you all find uncomforting?
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permalink #1169 of 2008: By the way.... (ninave-lake) Tue 11 Dec 01 18:43
permalink #1169 of 2008: By the way.... (ninave-lake) Tue 11 Dec 01 18:43
Hey, neat! Neil slipped.....thanks, kind sir. :D I was trying to figure out where to put it on the homepage/Neil's books section.... Those books were one of the few things I failed to get on Interlibrary Loan.. And I was the one who put everyone in awe because I managed to ILL something from the Library of Congress. Oh, I miss that job.
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permalink #1170 of 2008: "Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Tue 11 Dec 01 18:55
permalink #1170 of 2008: "Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Tue 11 Dec 01 18:55
I boggle at the thought of finding Sylvia Plath comforting. Granted, I've read The Bell Jar about a half dozen times... but one of those times I had to put it down because I just couldn't cope. I'm not sure I have any comfort books. Though the graphic novel of Stardust is rapidly becoming one. Sometimes when I just need something light I'll reread the Belgariad or, if a little deeper, Amber. Both I can almost quote word for word so that helps. The only book I read once a year is A Book of Five Rings. Though the Boomer Bible is close.
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permalink #1171 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 11 Dec 01 19:03
permalink #1171 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 11 Dec 01 19:03
Ninave~No, I *always* assume the worst; it's just safer that way.
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permalink #1172 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Tue 11 Dec 01 19:27
permalink #1172 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Tue 11 Dec 01 19:27
Part of the post that disappeared last night was my list of comfort books--I was too tired to recreate it later. So here goes: Mostly I have comfort music--particularly things I have sung--Miss Mousey said it best. Sometimes I just need a little Verdi's Requiem, you know? In books, it tends to be things I read when I was much younger--Tolkien, McCaffrey, Narnia, and the Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander. And Good Omens. And anything by Andrew Greeley (talk about romances!) And Hamlet. And Donne. And Smoke and Mirrors. OK, my Chanukah candles have almost burned out 'cause I'm yammering on so long. Enough! Mary (who just finished The Last Hot Time and loved it. A lot.)
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permalink #1173 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Tue 11 Dec 01 19:54
permalink #1173 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Tue 11 Dec 01 19:54
Ninave-- The pies will last basically as long as you want them to, as when they run out of scent they can be easily "refilled" by sprinkling a couple of tablespoons of potpourri oil on them. The ones we've made are apple pie scented. The Long Walk is quite possibly my favorite King work ever, though the Dark Tower series is right up there. The first time I read "Walk" was in about 8th grade, and nearly jumped out of my skin when the phone rang during a critical plot moment. Comfort books: Clive Barker's Imajica, Weaveworld and Great and Secret Show, King's Stand, Neverwhere, and all of the Hitchhikers books but particularly Restaurant, because that is inexplicably where I started reading,.
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permalink #1174 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Tue 11 Dec 01 21:32
permalink #1174 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Tue 11 Dec 01 21:32
Neil, Hmm. That must be a question you've answered multiple times before. I'll look for the answer in previously published bits of information next time. I usually do find the answers to any questions I have very easily, but Amazon confuses me when they offer things as available - like Harlequin Valentine. Sorry to hear about the copyright infringement, but I'm glad to hear that MM is coming out eventually with Snow, Glass, Apples. Ninave, You know, I don't really know why they frustrate me so much. I haven't used one in a really long time. I just remember trying to find certain words, and not finding them everytime. And also, I remember noting that the words had strangely biased definitions, using a lot of connotation in the definition rather than just the genus and differential. It bothered me. I'm neurotic. Don't mind the girl behind the curtain. Comfort music! I have three albums that are essential comfort music for me: Stan Getz (introducing Jimmy Rowles): the Peacocks, the score of Edward Scissorhands, and Brad Meldau's Art of the Trio Vol. 3.
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permalink #1175 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Tue 11 Dec 01 21:42
permalink #1175 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Tue 11 Dec 01 21:42
I spelled Brad's last name wrong. It's Mehldau. He's an absolutely magnificent pianist. I wrote a screenplay for a competition once based on his music - the central character, the themes, and the rhythm of the sp were inspired by him. I lost the competition, but it's one of the top things of which I'm most proud, that I finished the damned thing. Anyway, if any of you like jazz (not elevator jazz, mind you), I suggest getting some of his albums. And if you don't like jazz, but like piano, get his Elegiac Cycles. It's gorgeous.
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