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Topic 125: The Barking Mad Gaiman Mob: Who are these people and why won't they go away?
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The Barking Mad Gaiman Mob: Who are these people and why won't they go away?
permalink #1226 of 2008: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Sun 16 Dec 01 00:01
permalink #1226 of 2008: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Sun 16 Dec 01 00:01
went a little crazy and redesigned ljconstantine.com today. Didn't mean to... it just kind of happened. I actually meant to work on some designs for work, but got carried away with one design that i rather liekd, but wouldn't work for a corporate site, so I adapted it for my homepage. I'd actually had the old homepage design for over a year now, which is actually a very long life for a web site design. Any folks want me know what you think? it's kinda spare at the moment, much simplier than the old one... Some folks rearrange furniture. Some folks organise their tapes or cds. I apparently reinvent my website. It's spooky to realise I've had the site--under a number of different addresses--for almost 7 years now. And wow do sections of it need major updating (the neverwhere one in particular hasn't changed much since the week-end I first put it up, and some of the animation sites are actually 5 or 6 years old). Mary: I'm sure your inner redneck is a lovely gal. And packs a mean left hook. Kelly: Wil's nifty. I love his stories about his wife and step-kids. I'm actually doing the Tori cd for my boss. He's a huge Tori fan and ahs all the albums, but some of the older singles and imports are really hard to find, so it's a surprise. I hope they actually do a box set of b-sides and rareties someday tho--that would be nifty.
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permalink #1227 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Sun 16 Dec 01 02:27
permalink #1227 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Sun 16 Dec 01 02:27
Pam - You want to know the worst of it? I still forgot to order it! Toomorrow then... erg. Will - Sad about the rejection. But I figure writing is so much like modeling - if they've got a particular image and you just don't fit it, you could be perfect in every way and they'd still reject you. I'm sure the story is wonderful. re: McFarlane - Keeping my fool mouth shut in public. I may not have an inner redneck, but I've big boots and today I'd nearly used them on someone's hindquarters. Don't need to agitate myself further with the ramblings of another dweeb. Kelly - You'd be able to spill more dirt than me. I didn't go backstage. :) squeaks, just two more emails and then off to bathe in boiling water.
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permalink #1228 of 2008: Tree--Having the worst technology day in Christendom (jinx) Sun 16 Dec 01 17:21
permalink #1228 of 2008: Tree--Having the worst technology day in Christendom (jinx) Sun 16 Dec 01 17:21
Will--thank you for putting a smile on my face with your "Smooth"/"Pour Some Sugar on Me" comparison. But I must respectfully disagree with you and say that "Animal" was the much sweatier song. Trust me. Tree Who had the JD t-shirt and blue/black, shag-permed long hair and therefore is qualified to speak on this matter. And no, you will NEVER see the photographs.
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permalink #1229 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Sun 16 Dec 01 22:53
permalink #1229 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Sun 16 Dec 01 22:53
Squeaks - I didn't go backstage either. One of the key descriptions of Mars and I's relationship is "monogamous". ;-) -Kelly
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permalink #1230 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 17 Dec 01 08:49
permalink #1230 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 17 Dec 01 08:49
63 messages behind, because I couldn't get onto the web (although I could, bafflingly, get e-mail just fine). 1169 -- Ninave, if you want to get the Midnight Rose books, I'd search for them under the names of the co-editors on booksearch or similar. They were UK only paperbacks and were published in a quantity that means they aren't, as far as I know, rare or collectable yet. Temps and Eurotemps were Alex Stewart; Weerde books one and two were Roz Kaveney and Mary Gentle, and Villains was Mary Gentle, if memory serves. Maure -- no, that wasn't something I'd answered multiple times. I'd mentioned that I'd learned this thing was coming out on the blogger, but only learned that the letters from the scifi network's lawyers to the would-be publisher had had the desired effect the day I answered your question. Will -- I started to be a good writer after the Milford Science Fiction Writers COnference, a week-long workshop, in 1985. Not because of any critiques of the story I brought, but because I was sitting next to John Clute and Gwyneth Jones and Lisa Tuttle and Rachel Pollack and others of that calibre listening to them critique stories, and realising that what they were reading and what I was reading were two different things. And realising quietly on my own that they were right, and I was wrong. Very useful things to learn when you're 24. Clarion seems to turn out some fine writers. (They keep asking me to go and teach for a week, and maybe one day I shall.) I'd select my workshop with great care. I've heard horror stories from people who wanted to write SF in local writers workshops with ladies who wanted to write romance. - JaNell, there are good workshops, and there are bad; there are good writer's groups and there are bad. Many writers wind up creating a sort of notional support group anyway of people you can send something to when it's in first draft, who will pointout all the places you aren't wearing trousers before the second draft. Salinas Beckons & Tara - there are two quite different Spinal Tap DVDs. Each has an additional hour-long spinal tap film of outtakes. Each hour-long film contains different material. One DVD has the band in character wittering over it, the other has the actors (and separately Rob Reiner) doing their commentary (which is actually funnier and sharper). Tree -- well, in theory I'm meant to be coming to Australia for a signing tour this year. In practice, no-one from the publisher's contacted me yet, and I'm starting to set time aside for CORALINE -- I have to go to Book Expo America, to the American Library Association Conference, do a small reading tour in the US and quite possibly do something in the UK too... so I worry that by the time they think to get in touch I'll have no time left. But trust me, Tim-Tams or no, I'm doing my best to get downunder again. Janell -- good little article. madman -- if I'm in exactly the right mood, Leonard Cohen's TOWER OF SONG is perfect comfort music for me, and I've been known to stick the song on repeat and leave it on for several hours. (Also been known to do that with "yippee" from Kid Loco's Jesus Life For Children Under Twelve Inches CD.) Pam -- what a great dream Will -- if a publication's preferred length is 4,500-6000 words, then aim to send them stories about 5,000 words long. It's not that, if you send them the single best 700 word story or 10,000 word story ever written they might not be seduced by it, but you would have many strikes against you and be out of their comfort zone, and, more importantly, out of the pages they have allocated to printing that fiction. (A 700 word story means they'd need a 3,500 word story as well. A 10,000 word story means they'll have to drop an article.) Mary -- thanks so much. To be honest, the part that had me shaking my head is that someone who wants to start making sad little thuggish threats would do it through an intermediary (in this case the editor in chief of Marvel) whose word is respected, who was very embarrassed by having to pass on threats, and who has nothing to lose by confirming that it happened. Tara -- There was a Tori B sides CD wasn't there? I thought I had a version of Under the Pink with an extra CD knocking around here somewhere...
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permalink #1231 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Mon 17 Dec 01 12:55
permalink #1231 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Mon 17 Dec 01 12:55
Neil - you do indeed have a version of Under the Pink with B-sides on it; either that or you and I got very lucky with some CDs. ;-) However, it doesn't have a lot of the singles on it - just twelve or so. I got into the habit of buying her CD singles long ago, simply because of all the cool cover songs (well, okay, and a very cool Dave McKean cover on a CD single I already had). The problem is, the CD single songs well outnumber the ones that are on the B-sides of Under the Pink - that and the fact that there have been several albums since then, with more songs. And if by chance it ever comes up, could you pass on that having Purple Rain on a CD single would be absolutely fabulous? :-) -Kelly
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permalink #1232 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 17 Dec 01 13:13
permalink #1232 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 17 Dec 01 13:13
That Under the Pink with the B-sides CD came from Australia. I have one too.
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permalink #1233 of 2008: all the places you aren't wearing trousers (pamela-bird) Mon 17 Dec 01 17:14
permalink #1233 of 2008: all the places you aren't wearing trousers (pamela-bird) Mon 17 Dec 01 17:14
Linda: It was a Thursday night dream; I swear. Will: Sending mental Kate Bush singing Dont give up, cause you have friends... to you. <stagewalker>: Wow. That is so bizarre. Because what I didnt tell youbecause it was sort of irrelevant and generally too oddwas that Tom Cruise showed up in my dream, too. Right after the police haul Ed and John away, Tom Cruise shows up in a computer graphics-generated trailer for VANILLA SKY (which I totally made up in my head, because I havent seen any of the trailers for VS) which Im watching in my dream like its a tag at the end of the Ed-and-John movie. Honest to god. Elise: Au contraire. I think your bellybutton, Ascot and dead writers beats my Ed-and-John pair. Tara: ljconstantine.com looks fabulous! Im looking forward to reading more when I have time. Neil: Im sorry for Joe Quesada, too. How uncomfortable, especially when he seemed so excited about the new projects with you. As for McFarlane, I keep thinking of Frank Herberts quote of Tacitus--"I believe it was Tacitus who said there was a principle of human nature requiring us to hate those we have wronged." Mr. McFarlane doth protest too much, methinks. Not that you probably need this, but we're with you for the ride.
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permalink #1234 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Mon 17 Dec 01 21:50
permalink #1234 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Mon 17 Dec 01 21:50
*rubs eyes* A weird day of laying in bed and "dreaming" - somewhat awake, somewhat in control of my dream actions, and retaining memories of it all. Very bizarre.
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permalink #1235 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Mon 17 Dec 01 23:43
permalink #1235 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Mon 17 Dec 01 23:43
kelly - I've had an odd day of dreaming whilst awake as well. Only I'm pretty sure mine is due to the lingering effect of Tylenol Flu formula. Pseudoephedrine does interesting things to my body chemistry. I've been describing it to people as 'speed lite'. I think I did alright for poker tho'. We missed you, Linda. And madman, what was that about Replicants? ;P squeaks, who supports Neil fully, but is rather sick of discussing McFarlane
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permalink #1236 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 17 Dec 01 23:57
permalink #1236 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 17 Dec 01 23:57
I was wondering how y'all were doing! You might have to loan me "Squeaks" as a nickname for a few days. I promise to give it back when I stop squeaking.
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permalink #1237 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Tue 18 Dec 01 00:28
permalink #1237 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Tue 18 Dec 01 00:28
Neil--exactly. Weird. Yay! Book Hexpo & ALA! As it happens, the travel agency that I work for does all the hotels, air, & car for both of those conventions. I take it you're going to ALA Summer, not New Orleans next month. If you have the slightest problem in any way, ask for me. I'm not an agent, but I've been there for 6 years and sometimes it's not what you know, but who........ Will--meant to say--am reading Caitlin's journal faithfully, and am finding it a fascinating perspective on writing. Almost bought Threshold the other day, but decided I'd better ask for it from Santa first. :-) Mary (who hopes Santa reads the Well;-)
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permalink #1238 of 2008: faucets faucets everywhere and not a drip does drop (ophelia-b) Tue 18 Dec 01 10:43
permalink #1238 of 2008: faucets faucets everywhere and not a drip does drop (ophelia-b) Tue 18 Dec 01 10:43
Well, I finally made up my mind. I'm dropping my well account, for now anyway. Possibly one day if I again acquire a positive income I'll start it up again. In the meantime I'm going into Lurker mode. I'll lurk in the bushes outside this topic and occasionally ambush Linda as she goes inside, slipping a note in her hand. Happy Holidays to all. Jen.
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permalink #1239 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 18 Dec 01 10:52
permalink #1239 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 18 Dec 01 10:52
Bye Jen! We will miss you!
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permalink #1240 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Tue 18 Dec 01 11:44
permalink #1240 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Tue 18 Dec 01 11:44
Will, I like Jarrett too. If you like strange, sometimes creepy organ music, get his Spheres. It's interesting and lovely. I am sorry you got a rejection. Part of me always liked rejection notices - my ego would recover by whispering to itself "They'll be sorry one day! Bwahahahahaha!!" Er . . . it wasn't as devious as it sounds, though. Neil, Oh, I'm glad then. I hate asking questions to which the answers are readily available somewhere. I always feel disappointed in myself when I do that. On your blogger today, you said, "A sort of combination of pleased and awkward, I think. Slightly embarrassed, but happy. I suspect that this is a peculiarly English thing to feel." which is funny (not funny-haha) because I recently asked my friend Ian whether the emotion of amusement yet embarrassment was peculiarly English (he lives near Oxford - Ian Kirk, for the thingies here) or not, and whether or not there was a short word for it. He said that it wasn't peculiarly English, but it was a fairly prevalent English state of being. Or something. I'd get his exact words, but I'm at work and have no access to them. It was funny to read that, though, because at the time I asked Ian about it, I was talking about you. JaNell, I love Rowan's little ditty about hot water and superheroes. Thank you for sharing it. Squeaks, thank you so much for the card! I loved it.
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permalink #1241 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Dec 01 14:02
permalink #1241 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Dec 01 14:02
Jen~ Bye, and hope you can make it back. I've been struggling with the decision to drop my account or not for the same reasons. Good income wishes your way. : ) Will~ I made a bet with my friend Kevin, or rather, I proposed a contest: Whoever gets the most rejection slips between now and this time next year, wins. Since we're both competetive people, we'll both *have* to submit stuff now. Maure~ Thanks. Ro is, um, an odd one. The other day I was down here on the computer, and when I went upstairs to eat supper, there was a foot sized piece of torn brown wrapping paper on each step. When I asked about it, Rowan said that they were poison footprints... Neil~ Thanks.
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permalink #1242 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Tue 18 Dec 01 17:00
permalink #1242 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Tue 18 Dec 01 17:00
do audition rejections count? if so i've got you all beat.
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permalink #1243 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Tue 18 Dec 01 17:22
permalink #1243 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Tue 18 Dec 01 17:22
Jen - Sad to see you go. You'll still lurk about tho', won't you. Linda - you can be 'Squeaks' for now. I'll just be 'Bob' then. :) squeaks, who needs to figure out the extra $200 on the books now...
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permalink #1244 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Dec 01 17:25
permalink #1244 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Dec 01 17:25
Adriana~ no, as I quit acting 23 years ago... Never had an audition rejection, but the milk company I did a commercial for when I was five, Wolf Milk, went promptly out of business.
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permalink #1245 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Dec 01 17:26
permalink #1245 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Dec 01 17:26
Ooh, but thanks for reminding me; on my list of desperate ways to make money was "pimp out kids to modeling agency".
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permalink #1246 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 18 Dec 01 18:58
permalink #1246 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 18 Dec 01 18:58
You kids, or will any do? Thanks, Bob. I should be done with it soon.
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permalink #1247 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Dec 01 19:02
permalink #1247 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Dec 01 19:02
Well, if any one else's kids are available, why not?
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permalink #1248 of 2008: Tick tock (ophelia-b) Tue 18 Dec 01 19:38
permalink #1248 of 2008: Tick tock (ophelia-b) Tue 18 Dec 01 19:38
Thanks guys. :-) Looks like my account will stay open through christmas. I probably won't post much between now and then, I'll be too busy getting lurking supplies. Binoculars, nice warm coat, camera, ferret. I really need to start getting rejection notices soon. Must get into editing mode and put together a list of stories to edit and places to send to. JaNell, I hope you're able to keep your account, it would be sad if I set a precedent or something. Although I don't think I've ever set a precedent. ::speaks into tape recorder:: Note: set a precedent. I'll probably listen to that later and think I said "bet a president". But which one? Not my Lincoln. My Van Buren? I've got like five of those... Jen, trailing off muttering.
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permalink #1249 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Dec 01 19:45
permalink #1249 of 2008: Ja'Nell (goldennokomis) Tue 18 Dec 01 19:45
Jen~ well, it's been coming. We let cable go a while back; this and my Cricket are next. The Cricket isn't needed as much now that Cam is working (who knows how long) in the lab instead of the field (which means that in case of emergency, the school can get one of us if I'm out of the house), but being in the lab means 40 hours instead of 50 and we were barely making it with the overtime... Hey, want to join my contest with Kevin? And you can aways blog at Xanga (free), with me, Kevin, Maure, Pamela, Jinx, Tree, Shira.... (long list gets fainter & fainter)
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permalink #1250 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Tue 18 Dec 01 22:43
permalink #1250 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Tue 18 Dec 01 22:43
Jen--yay! You're staying through Chrimbly! Maybe some lovely Santa-type person will gift you with a year of the Well. Drop many hints.....and make sure you get my e-mail addy. If you come into town for Horror Con, or other reasons, let me know! Mary (who finally saw Bridget Jones, and thought it was better than she expected, but missed all the things that got left out....) P.S. Courtney Davis has been commissioned by Barnes & Noble to do some stationery for them & just did an album cover. Yay! for friends getting work!
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