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The Barking Mad Gaiman Mob: Who are these people and why won't they go away?
permalink #1726 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Sun 17 Feb 02 13:38
permalink #1726 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Sun 17 Feb 02 13:38
Ooops, Mike slipped. I wasn't laughing at his post on writing, but at his educational post on the historical windows of Northampton.
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permalink #1727 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sun 17 Feb 02 14:54
permalink #1727 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sun 17 Feb 02 14:54
I just hope I didn't bore the audience, those who chose to stay.
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permalink #1728 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Sun 17 Feb 02 16:17
permalink #1728 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Sun 17 Feb 02 16:17
Mary -- i followed the context. Go right ahead.
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permalink #1729 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Sun 17 Feb 02 18:58
permalink #1729 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Sun 17 Feb 02 18:58
Dan and Martha- I'm glad the show went well:) Out of curiosity, do you have a rough transcript of the Q&A?
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permalink #1730 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sun 17 Feb 02 22:50
permalink #1730 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sun 17 Feb 02 22:50
Not unless someone in the audience was concealing a cassette recorder.
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permalink #1731 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Mon 18 Feb 02 11:04
permalink #1731 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Mon 18 Feb 02 11:04
Since people kept asking you questions, I don't think you bored anyone, Martha.
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permalink #1732 of 2008: Perfectly Normal Beast (erynn-miles) Tue 19 Feb 02 02:36
permalink #1732 of 2008: Perfectly Normal Beast (erynn-miles) Tue 19 Feb 02 02:36
Damn. Where are all the pirates when you need them?;) No, I can't picture Martha as boring, which is why I'm interested in what she had to say about things. By rough transcript, I meant the gist of the the conversations from memory. Really wish I could have been there. Fiddlesticks. Why am I up at this ungodly hour? Goodnight.
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permalink #1733 of 2008: the Taliban of Polyamoury (stagewalker) Tue 19 Feb 02 10:18
permalink #1733 of 2008: the Taliban of Polyamoury (stagewalker) Tue 19 Feb 02 10:18
I'm afraid i couldn't produce anything remotely resembling a transcript of what Martha said, although the above snippit was particularly memorable. On a different note, I got my very own copy of "The Mouse and His Child" by Russell Hoban. Apparantly, it's been out of print in the US for some time and has just recently come back into print. I've never read it before, but the film version deeply influenced me and my pirated (I can't find a legal copy) videotape of it is one of my prized possessions. Neil... that trick you mentioned on the blog.. about making a CD-R which set your DVD player to Region 0... how do you do that? Is it possible to set your player to Region 1 and then back to 0 and then to 1 , etc, etc, etc? I'd love to be able to get stuff on DVD that isn't available in the states.
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permalink #1734 of 2008: not dead, or Death for that matter (miss-mousey) Tue 19 Feb 02 13:49
permalink #1734 of 2008: not dead, or Death for that matter (miss-mousey) Tue 19 Feb 02 13:49
DanW - mmm... mouseys... Actually, while on the subject of DVDs, does anyone know what region Criterion Collection stuff is on? Is it multi-region or what? erg, I was going to say something else... possibly along the lines of 'welcome back from Boskone'... but then I got distracted by my Monopoly set and I'm thinking "oooh, shiny" and everything else in my brain is stopped. squeaks, who is always the thimble.
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permalink #1735 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 19 Feb 02 14:23
permalink #1735 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 19 Feb 02 14:23
Mike Ford's window was one of the funniest things I've ever seen posted... Meanwhile and in haste: 1) DVD players are region encoded, Regions 1-5. So are DVDs, so the DVD only plays in the right DVD player. US and Canada are Region 1. Europe and Japan are Region 2. Australia and South America are Region, er, 4 I think. 2) DVDs are also coded to play in different TV formats --NTSC or PAL 3) Region Zero DVD players will play anything. 4) But a *very* few Region 1 DVDs are set to only play in DVD players that are set to Region 1 exclusively. The Sampo DVE-611 is a multi-system DVD (so it will send stuff out to the TV in NTSC or PAL -- useful if you want to play a PAL system DVD on an NTSC TV). The firmware reset just consists of recording a CD-R with just one file on it, called CREGIN.TXT containing just the following text TSDVDREG-2001-9629735-R0 (and then to reset it to other areas, you'd change the last digit to a 1, for example.) This is because they make the DVD players for all over the world in one factory and then set them for their destination afterward. Patrick N-H told me at Boskone of an even cheaper one that the Sampo -- although the Sampo's available for about $119 if you shop around at mysimon.com or similar -- and I see someone has 25 to sell at Ubid.com for $100 each. (If you buy them "pre-hacked" you can expect to pay about $500 for them, which is silly.) The Criterion DVDs are Region 1 (US). I did't know there was ever a film of MOUSE & HIS CHILD.
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permalink #1736 of 2008: The Taliban of Polyamoury (stagewalker) Tue 19 Feb 02 15:55
permalink #1736 of 2008: The Taliban of Polyamoury (stagewalker) Tue 19 Feb 02 15:55
Neil- Yep. It's impossible to find. I was only able to find one copy online to *rent* about four years ago and made my bootleg then. I just met someone who has an original tape though. I could probably get copies made, as she's extremely evangelical about the book. When I casually mentioned that I had made a montage for a conference that opened with a clip from the film, her eyes bulged and her jaw dropped. She had only met one other person who even knew about the book, let alone the film. So, as for the DVD thing... in order for this trick to work, i would need a Sampo DVD... as another brand might reset to 0, but it might export in the wrong TV format. Hrm... I've copied and pasted these details for later... but now I have to determine just what I can and can't get here and how much it's worth for me to give my finger to the regional encoding system.... Dan - who always is the scottie dog. Except when he plays using his Star Wars Monopoly set... then he's Boba Fett because it's his game, dammit!
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permalink #1737 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 19 Feb 02 16:26
permalink #1737 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 19 Feb 02 16:26
Stagewalker - well, TNH mentioned the APEX system as well (if memory serves). There apparently exists a huge DVD underground.
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permalink #1738 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 19 Feb 02 16:33
permalink #1738 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 19 Feb 02 16:33
oops -- posted before I'd finished -- with websites brimming with information. Personally, I'm with the Australian Government, who feel that it's a nonsensical restraint of trade.
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permalink #1739 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 19 Feb 02 16:56
permalink #1739 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 19 Feb 02 16:56
I have a little portable multisystem multiregion DVD player. It's not much bigger than a Walkman so I could take it to someone else's house and plug it in to the front AV jacks on their TV. Cost $200-odd, but it was necessary. I bought it at a store south of Market that specializes in multivoltage appliances and components.
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permalink #1740 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 19 Feb 02 20:15
permalink #1740 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 19 Feb 02 20:15
E-mail from Kathy Li: Ok, that's it. You guys have done it. Pushed me over the edge and into buying a Sampo. And a dvd of OKLAHOMA! from amazon.co.uk just so I can see Hugh Jackman as Curly singing "Oh What a Beautiful Morning!" (well, *and* Maureen Lipman playing Aunt Eller). Probably not the wisest purchase. :-) Musicals on the brain. Wanted to boast about getting to see INTO THE WOODS at the Ahmanson this weekend. Third time's the charm. Lapine *finally* fixed the death of the Baker's Wife. I never liked the killer trees as much as death by Snow White's apple, but this new version's even better. There are lots of little tweaks and polishes, tightenings and smoothings (and yes, three little pigs, another wolf, and "Our Little World", plus a new verse and blocking for "Boom! Crunch!", and wait'll you see what they've done with Milky White!), and it works even better than before. It's gotten so much richer. Kickass production. But you knew that from the reviews. Mike--just wanted to point out that the director of the musical OZ episode ("Variety") was Roger Rees.
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permalink #1741 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 19 Feb 02 23:39
permalink #1741 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 19 Feb 02 23:39
Kathy -- A Sampo? One of those Finnish things from the KALEVALA that mills out gold? Does Alan Greenspan know about this? Roger Rees/Wonders of Live Theatre story: a number of years ago I saw his HAMLET at the RSC. Somewhere up in the balcony were a couple of young, uh, ladies who were convinced they were at the mulitplex: talked and giggled nonstop, used their flash cameras at will, stop me if you've heard all this. Anyway, during "To be or not to be," they started giggling -loudly- and snapping away. Rees stopped, walked downstage, and smiled at them while they took his picture. Then an usher took constructive possession of the cameras, Rees went back upstage and restarted the speech, and we got through the rest of the matinee without serious further incident. One more and I'll quit for the evening: one is always touched by the faith people have in the illuminating power of one flashbulb. I've seen people attempt to light darkened theatres, The Cathedral of St. John the Divine, innumerable outdoor venues (even God can only do this for a really short exposure, and he has to use a thunderstorm to charge up). I can understand someone new to cameras and film speed not understanding the limitations of the medium, but you'd think after the first few rolls came back from Fotomat the idea would sink in.
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permalink #1742 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Wed 20 Feb 02 09:58
permalink #1742 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Wed 20 Feb 02 09:58
Martha - I'll just have to have you come over if I want to do a movie night with something that I can't play otherwise... the only things I wanted on DVD that I thought I couldn't get were Eddie Izzard DVDs... which aren't even available in the UK yet, and the Wallace and Gromit DVD.. which is now available and is freshly ordered via Amazon... Talking with you people is bad for my bank account. Kathy - for some reason I find the idea of watching an Australian cast doing a musical based on the American Midwest extremely funny... It's the accents, mostly... As for Into the Woods... how wonderful and odd! I know that the very early versions of Into the Woods had the three little pigs and such in it, but they got cut because it was all getting too convoluted. I wonder if they're producing an early version of the script, or if Sondheim decided to put it all back in... Mike - The first time my mom came to see me in a somewhat professional production, I noticed she had her camera in her purse. "Don't even think about it" I told her. I was only partially successful. She held off until the curtain call.
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permalink #1743 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Wed 20 Feb 02 10:49
permalink #1743 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Wed 20 Feb 02 10:49
well that's it, now i HAVE to go see Into the Woods. ASAP. i didn't realize they actually did more revisions. and being a former Rapunzel who got to do "Our Little World," i am quite excited to see it added in again. ohboyohboyohboy!
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permalink #1744 of 2008: poking the ladyfingers in the notice board (abbess) Wed 20 Feb 02 11:32
permalink #1744 of 2008: poking the ladyfingers in the notice board (abbess) Wed 20 Feb 02 11:32
The thing is, trying to take a picture of a well-lit stage isn't even so bad! It's just trying to use the flash rather than the light that already exists that causes a problem - your mom could have done fine if she'd convinced the camera not to *use* the flash - or at least had a slightly dim picture of you rather than a great picture of the backs of the heads of the next row in the audience. Sigh. Neil, I apologize for being so gentle that I didn't even say 'hi' at Boskone, though I was there. That line for the signing was awful long, and you left sometime before the Flash Girls finished playing, and I was really more interested in hearing them at the time. ooh, the Flash Girls concert was great. Lots of fun. Have survived my first con intact, by treating it as a small shopping trip, a small chance to hear some of my favorite authors speak on interesting topics, and a concert, and leaving plenty of time for doing other stuff at home in the middle.
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permalink #1745 of 2008: Kathy Li (jonl) Wed 20 Feb 02 14:00
permalink #1745 of 2008: Kathy Li (jonl) Wed 20 Feb 02 14:00
Email from Kathy Li: Mike -- Not Finnish from the KALEVALA, alas, Swedish from Ikea. It comes in birch, beech, and black. :-) I have never gotten to see Roger Rees on stage, but I do remember watching Alec Guinness and Edward Herrmann in A WALK IN THE WOODS at a matinee, and someone in the third row, center, falling asleep and snoring fit to beat the band, and Guinness, just getting to a line about the entire world being oblitered in nuclear holocaust aiming the line like a laser at that one seat... without breaking concentration, mind you. DanW, ummmm, that OKLAHOMA! is not Australian, it's the National (UK). How Jackman got there, I have no idea. I find the thought of NT actors under Trevor Nunn direction doing apple-pie-American just as funny, though. (Footnote: go read Helene Hannf's UNDERFOOT IN SHOW BUSINESS for a great story on the original production. It's the part where they decide they have to add an exclamation point that always gets me.) Oh, and the Ahmanson INTO THE WOODS is not an old workshop version as far as I know, and is being directed by James Lapine. Boasting rights: I *did* see the Old Globe workshop of WOODS way back when, and my favorite cut moment was when one of the stepsisters gets squished by the Giantess, Rapunzel starts weeping AGAIN, and someone grabs the other stepsister, drags her over to Rapunzel, who obligingly tilts her head so the tears will fall and--"I can see!" Adriana: Paul Gemignani is manning the pit!
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permalink #1746 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 20 Feb 02 15:43
permalink #1746 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 20 Feb 02 15:43
Eddie Izzard DVDs, hmm. The only non-US + PAL DVDs I have right now are the first three seasons of Buffy, and Eraserhead.
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permalink #1747 of 2008: "How can an iron be a landlord?" (erynn-miles) Wed 20 Feb 02 18:53
permalink #1747 of 2008: "How can an iron be a landlord?" (erynn-miles) Wed 20 Feb 02 18:53
Martha- Does your "Eraserhead" have the bonus short films? I love "The Cowboy and the Frenchman"... I'm confused. So I need a special DVD player to play foreign DVDs? I'm very new to this DVD madness. Should get off here and go read the manual. Erynn, who is always Yankee Doodle (the guy on the horse)
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permalink #1748 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 20 Feb 02 18:53
permalink #1748 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 20 Feb 02 18:53
No, damn, no bonus short films.
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permalink #1749 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Wed 20 Feb 02 21:40
permalink #1749 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Wed 20 Feb 02 21:40
Mike--did you ever see the MST3K where they're watching some godawful Norwegian film, and they don't translate the word "Sampo" in the reprehensible dubbing? They keep using the word, and there's no real context, so if you don't know what a sampo is, it's completely confusing. Eventually they take a commercial break, and Crow and Tom Servo start defining "sampo"--"it's a dog food--it's a chair--it's a dentifrice--it's a tasty beverage treat" until Tom says "It's a strapless evening dress". To which Crow replies, "You think everything's a strapless evening dress". One of the three funniest things I've ever seen, though perhaps you had to be there. Anyway, that's all I've been able to think about through this entire discussion of Sampo. Strapless evening dresses. I saw Roger Rees as the Doctor, and Sir Derek Jacobi as Vanya in Uncle Vanya in NYC a couple of years ago. *I* thought it was delightful, though the critics were not so impressed. What do they know? Father Ed Foley, the theologian, is speaking at my church for four Wednesdays starting tonight. Utterly delightful. He defined "liturgist" as an affliction sent by God to the people, so that if any had been free of affliction, they might share in the benefits of suffering.....ah, Catholicism. I do love the teachings of Cathol. V.v. jealous of people who get to see faboo new productions of Into the Woods. Thanks for sharing, though! Also jealous of people with new DVD players, but thanks for all the info! I will be much better prepared when the time comes to purchase. OK, pooped, crashing. G'night, John-boy! M.
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permalink #1750 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Fri 22 Feb 02 07:04
permalink #1750 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Fri 22 Feb 02 07:04
Stagewalker -- well, the Sampo is out there on ebay new for $50, on ubid for $100 and in online stores for $120. Mine was stuttering and freezing a little, so I went to the Sampozone website and downloaded the latest version of the firmware which sorts that out -- and it did. Kathy Li -- I was signing with the scheaffer you gave me at Boskone... That INTO THE WOODS sounds wonderful. Terry Gilliam was telling me that he was interested in directing a film version until he was told that it was just going to be the first half, not the second. I've seen it three times now -- the london West End was my favourite -- Nicholas Parsons as the narrator, and "Our Little World..." Abbess -- yes, those signing lines were long. And the Sunday one had to be limited to 100 people, so I could make the plane. Erynn -- I've never seen The Cowboy and the Frenchman... Mary -- I keep looking at your post and slipping into a John M Ford world in which Roger Rees played the Doctor and Derek Jacobi played the head of the Vanya, who are faintly insectoid Russians. Probably francesca Annis would have been the Companion.
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