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permalink #226 of 1963: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 16 Apr 02 22:14
permalink #226 of 1963: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 16 Apr 02 22:14
Krynn -- I doubt very much that your stories are going unread at F&SF. it doesn't take long to turn the slushpile around if you're determined not to let it pile up. Now, that -does- involve not giving stories longer than they ask for; if you're five pages in, the story hasn't started (e.g., you're in the middle of an infodump on the Galactic Empire's political history), the prose is English only by courtesy, and -- well, and so on -- there is not really any point in slogging through to the end; the story isn't of publishable quality, and an explanation of how to fix it would be longer than the story itself. (Understand, I'm not making any kind of judgement of y9ur work; I'm talking about what the slushpile is generically like, and it is generically worse than anyone who hasn't read it for money -- and nobody sane would read it for any other reason -- can imagine. This is not hyperbole.) It makes no sense to let slushpile stories pile up for months. If nothing else, they have to be put somewhere. At the sf magazines where I worked, we averaged a thousand submissions a month. You can do the math if we'd let them accumulate for even one month, never mind four or six. As I said, the New Yorker states up front that they're not buying anything unsolicited (this has been on the masthead for at least six months), and -- again, with no criticism of the story implied -- I don't think they're holding on to it after eighteen months. I think they either tossed it or it got lost in the return mail.
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permalink #227 of 1963: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Tue 16 Apr 02 22:38
permalink #227 of 1963: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Tue 16 Apr 02 22:38
right, so, t-shirts... suggestions for taglines? here are my off-the-top-of-my-head ones, drawing from topic headings of the past: barking mad @ the well goldfish swapmeet @ the well (and the ever popular) @ the well as for drawings, wasn't there a rumour once of a maddy lemon-y bat? In any case, I'm kinda thinking of a goldfish one... I shall doodle in PhotoShop later this week, and see what I come up with. Other ideas?
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permalink #228 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 16 Apr 02 22:45
permalink #228 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 16 Apr 02 22:45
I'm hoping you'll remember to make them in very large sizes and that the word "Wellie" doesn't show up on any of them.
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permalink #229 of 1963: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 17 Apr 02 00:00
permalink #229 of 1963: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 17 Apr 02 00:00
It's been a while since I've solicited a friendly rejection from the New Yorker. Since they aren't reading unsolicited mss., feel free to submit somewhere else.
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permalink #230 of 1963: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Wed 17 Apr 02 01:21
permalink #230 of 1963: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Wed 17 Apr 02 01:21
I queried the New Yorker before I sent the Mss. and they said that they sometimes accept unsolicited Mss., but prefer solicited ones. Mind you, this was almost two years ago. Obviously they changed the rules. John-Mike- I totally understand what you're saying. I don't *think* I do any of the things you mentioned, but I'm a novice (I've been writing my whole life, but have only recently (the past two years)taken it seriously in a business sense)so therefore am not always a good judge of my work. The Sf&f rejections were just weird because it came so fast, it was almost like they sent the slip before the Mss. even reached them. Maybe they're psychic. Most magazines take at least two months to get back to me. Whateverthecase, I think I'm just going to have to accept the fact that I probably need to start out in the semi-pros instead of the pros. The odds might increase a little. But first, I need to sleep... Thanks for the imput.
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permalink #231 of 1963: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Wed 17 Apr 02 08:14
permalink #231 of 1963: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Wed 17 Apr 02 08:14
Linda: You say potaytoes, I say potahtoes. Nevermind my little "wellies;" I don't need to print them on tee shirts.
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permalink #232 of 1963: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Wed 17 Apr 02 09:22
permalink #232 of 1963: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Wed 17 Apr 02 09:22
Squeaks - *wagging finger* That's why I said to check your e-mail, missy... I knew it wasn't like you to confirm.... As for titles for a shirt... Still Barking Mad After All These Years - The Mob @ The Well Erynn - Glad I was able to knock you out of your chair... I'm still getting slack jaws from friends I haven't seen since I had it colored... and that's without the makeup or the moustache penciled in.
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permalink #233 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 17 Apr 02 10:21
permalink #233 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 17 Apr 02 10:21
E-mail from Jouni: Maure -- Offering help is not 'doing nothing'. :-) T-shirts -- Sounds cool (although I would be forced to print my own 'hang-around Weller' -shirt). You know, if there's need for a simple drawing/illustration to the design, I could be able to scribble something up... Jouni
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permalink #234 of 1963: Maure Luke (maureluke) Wed 17 Apr 02 10:48
permalink #234 of 1963: Maure Luke (maureluke) Wed 17 Apr 02 10:48
Neil, the Amazon site still lists Coraline as being available on audio cd in June. I thought I'd heard May, from you, sometime or another. Is Amazon wrong (I hope, I hope)?
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permalink #235 of 1963: Shawn Shelby (shawnshelby) Wed 17 Apr 02 14:25
permalink #235 of 1963: Shawn Shelby (shawnshelby) Wed 17 Apr 02 14:25
Hidyhoe Well-erinoes! Finally back from a really fun trip out to L.A. to see the Long Beach Grand Prix. Had a blast but I was completely cut off from the Internet for a week, so I trembled a bit this morning as the computer booted up, thinking about the amount of emails and postings to catch up on. Neil- thank you very much for the kind words to my girlfriend Rita at the Evanston signing. She called me in LA to let me know that she had been and to ask me how on earth you seemed to have been expecting her. She seemed convinced that I concocted a very small conspiracy with you to make her feel uncormfortable at being spotted out of all the fans around her. I told her that it was actually just a very astute observation made by someone who is both an astoundingly good author and a very nice person. I think you made a new fan :) Shawn - wondering how a week in California failed to make him any less pale...
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permalink #236 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 17 Apr 02 18:15
permalink #236 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 17 Apr 02 18:15
Say, are any of you writer-types reading the current two-week interview with David Menconi about his book "Off the Record?" In reponse 124 and a few before that, he's talking about the process of writing, and in particular about interviewing his characters in order to learn more about them. Since there's been a writing and a how-to-write thread running through the discussions here I thought I'd point it out. I'm actually quite taken with it. And this interview might also be of interest to the musicians among you, as well...
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permalink #237 of 1963: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Wed 17 Apr 02 18:55
permalink #237 of 1963: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Wed 17 Apr 02 18:55
Pamela - Welcome to the Tim Tam Addicts of America club. I blame the Tree what talks funny (winks, then ducks). Maure - See, that's one of the things that draws me to the junior high kiddies. Me, the totally uncool teen who is now (aside from the occasional mental tweaking neccesary) actually doing pretty well for herself (at least I'm pretty happy these days); while several of the popular kids from my jr. high are dead/addicted/struggling with life stuff in general. Not that this is true of everyone (hardly!), but I'm looking forward to be an example that popularity isn't everything, and that people change, and it's who they end up being when they grow up that counts the most. Erynn - I'm going to see Daniel Ash tomorrow! :) (Hey, it's sort of even an on topic thing if you go by the whole six-degrees thing -> Danny and Petey were both in Bauhaus with David J. David J. did cool recordings and stuff with Alan Moore. Alan Moore called Neil "Mr. Scary Trousers".) Dan - I *did* check my mail. I got nothing until today. Maybe the old computer ate it? (quite possible, I *did* just have to replace it). At any rate, I'm running VERY late here, so I'm not going to be there and I'm really quite frustrated about it, so there's no point making me feel any more guilty... Shawn - "Hens love roosters. Geese love ganders. Everyone else loves Ned Flanders!" Linda - Will check out the conference when I'm not running totally late. Sounds like it could be interesting. Thanks for the heads up! squeaks, who can't wait to see her friend's first post to Neil here...
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permalink #238 of 1963: Maure Luke (maureluke) Wed 17 Apr 02 19:04
permalink #238 of 1963: Maure Luke (maureluke) Wed 17 Apr 02 19:04
Michelle, that's perfect! It's what I try to reinforce while they're young and haven't started all that schtuff yet. Can only hope they remember their really fun, dorky teacher, and never start being mean. Want to start a school with me? ;)
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permalink #239 of 1963: "Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Wed 17 Apr 02 22:46
permalink #239 of 1963: "Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Wed 17 Apr 02 22:46
I'm back from Dan's. We had a good time and heard some truly weird and good stories.
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permalink #240 of 1963: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Wed 17 Apr 02 23:30
permalink #240 of 1963: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Wed 17 Apr 02 23:30
Congrats, Adriana! Welcome back, Will! Yay, Dan! ...and other noises of gladness. Re t-shirts: I think I'd like one that said "Lemon Scented Sticky Bat? Gee, the things you learn about on the WELL...." Especially if it had a drawing by Maddy on it. (hint, hint)
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permalink #241 of 1963: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Thu 18 Apr 02 09:25
permalink #241 of 1963: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Thu 18 Apr 02 09:25
Madman - glad you enjoyed yourself. I enjoyed doing it... will have to do it again since I've already had e-mails from folks who couldn't be there but wanted "to come to the next one" Squeaks - *holding up your Princess Mononoke cards* No guilt... but I'll have you back in my lair eventually. *evil laughter* Linda - Brat. Dan, who is highly annoyed at the eyelid that has chosen to go all red and puffy and hopes that a good dose of Benedryl will take care of it before the show tonight.
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permalink #242 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 18 Apr 02 09:31
permalink #242 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 18 Apr 02 09:31
Dan - it's because you called me a brat. Take it back and your eyelid will be fine.
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permalink #243 of 1963: John M. Ford (johnmford) Thu 18 Apr 02 11:16
permalink #243 of 1963: John M. Ford (johnmford) Thu 18 Apr 02 11:16
Okay, two farthings' worth of T-shirt messages: [large letter] D IT'S NOT A GRADE, IT'S A FAMILY THING BUT FOR YOU, THREE GOLDFISH THESE ARE NOT MY SCARY TROUSERS
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permalink #244 of 1963: Mary Roane (the-roane) Thu 18 Apr 02 11:23
permalink #244 of 1963: Mary Roane (the-roane) Thu 18 Apr 02 11:23
Squeaks--no one expects the Spanish Inquisition! Re: t-shirts--ooooo, I had forgotten the Maddy drawing...that would be perfect. But I want one with Jouni's art on it, too. Bugger. I hate decisions like this. Apparently, it is now summer in Chicago, as the high for today is in the upper 80's, and I have sneezed approx. 1,217 times this morning, my eyes are watering, and I'm completely congested. We have misplaced Spring here as well, and though I have looked under every stack of old newspapers as instructed by Mr. Gaiman, and in the back of every closet, I can't find the bloody thing. I *can* however find all the allergens. Aaargh. Neil--yay! Humanities Festival! It would be delightful to hear you read Coraline live. I shall cross my fingers and hope. <<waves at Pamela>> Miss you! Neil--is it permitted to ask *what* you are writing like a mad thing? A little hint? Pleeeeease? OK, time for lunch. <<goes off singing, "So long, farewell, auf wiedersehn, adieu!">>
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permalink #245 of 1963: Mary Roane (the-roane) Thu 18 Apr 02 11:25
permalink #245 of 1963: Mary Roane (the-roane) Thu 18 Apr 02 11:25
Ohmigod, Mike slipped. Hee-hee! Ooooo, those are fabulous!
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permalink #246 of 1963: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 18 Apr 02 11:37
permalink #246 of 1963: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 18 Apr 02 11:37
Mike always gives more than his farthings worth.
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permalink #247 of 1963: "Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Thu 18 Apr 02 11:40
permalink #247 of 1963: "Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Thu 18 Apr 02 11:40
I would so wear a t-shirt that said "These are not my scary trousers." Oh, the hours each day I would spend explaining...
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permalink #248 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 18 Apr 02 12:19
permalink #248 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 18 Apr 02 12:19
Dan - here's my excuse for not showing up at your house to attend the event that was my idea and everything: I got a kiln for Christmas. No, wait, there's more to it than that. I have been afraid to use my kiln, as much as I long to, because I was afraid of setting the house on fire. I was also afraid of ruining whatever it was I was trying to cook in the kiln. So, for months now, I've been researching how to do it, kiln settings, and kiln wash, and fiber paper, and venting and straight up? or in stages? and getting fireproof material to put on the table and on and on and on. So last night I returned from the neighborhood meeting of Girls Inc where I had somehow gotten roped into stuffing envelopes when I had originally been invited for a tour of the facilities, and I looked at the kiln, and at the tiles I'd put in place on the table, and I said "Tonight's the night, dammit." So I dragged out all the glass and cut some up and put it in the kiln and spent an hour puzzling over the controls and finally got it fired up and then I opened the door every five minutes to see how it was going and I did that all the way up to 1461 degrees and all the way back down again. I know it's not a very good excuse and I truly am a brat and I hope your eyelid feels better very soon now. Maybe next time we can do it at my house...?
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permalink #249 of 1963: Maure Luke (maureluke) Thu 18 Apr 02 19:56
permalink #249 of 1963: Maure Luke (maureluke) Thu 18 Apr 02 19:56
Neil, I know you're writing madly, but for whenever you get this: I'm sorry about your Sunday experience. You could have come with me and Megan - we hopped up the street for some really good food. But that wouldn't have made such an entertaining story. I feel really badly for Caitlin - it's too bad that she had such a horrible time here. Chicago can be really lovely. She doesn't sound like she ever wants to come back . . . Re: t-shirts . . . I really really like "But for you, three goldfish." It sounds simultaneously generous, and subversive. Mary, yeah! What the heck?? I feel like I'm working in a brick oven. I don't care where Spring went, I'm trying desperately to find Fall. I hope the allergens go away so you feel better by Saturday. Today is my birthday. I got lots of hugs and songs from children, and cards (one featuring clowns (front: The Clowns from Clowntown . . .), a sadistic joke from Megan, who had written "will eat you!" in bubbly, maniacal letters over the whited-out bit of the message inside), and chocolates (which I reluctantly hand over to my sisters), and other sundry gifts. I also found a new apartment, finally, which sounds perfect, and I'm going to look at it this weekend. And, someone who is more or less a complete stranger (who knows me, at best, as a name he's heard of once or twice) is doing me the greatest favor ever in the world ever. Everything is beautiful today. *And* I got ice cream.
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permalink #250 of 1963: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Thu 18 Apr 02 21:21
permalink #250 of 1963: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Thu 18 Apr 02 21:21
Let a thousand t-shirts bloom. Seriously, with CafePress or whatever, if it's print-on-demand, there's no need to have only one design. Oh. I should mention that, thanks in part to encouragement in this very topic (on top of encouragement from Emma Bull at Minicon), I have done the deed. My hair is extremely purple. I glee. Thanks, guys! Elise, wandering off singing "And you may say to yourself, 'These are not my scary trousers'..."
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