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permalink #676 of 1963: Shawn Shelby (shawnshelby) Wed 26 Jun 02 13:22
permalink #676 of 1963: Shawn Shelby (shawnshelby) Wed 26 Jun 02 13:22
Pamela, I am so sorry to hear about your loss. I know how hard it is to lose someone close to you in a sudden motor accident, and how futile it seems, so please accept my sincerest condolences.
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permalink #677 of 1963: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Wed 26 Jun 02 16:40
permalink #677 of 1963: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Wed 26 Jun 02 16:40
Pamela, no words can express... but my thoughts are with you. I've been thinking of Death's words lately, although if you asked me why, i couldn't tell you... but it keeps coming back to me: "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime." As for me, I'm down in San Diego right now, at a conference. For some reason, it just occurred to me to check if any of you lot are down here, to hang out tonight... it's rather last minute, but if you are, I'm at the Hyatt in La Jolla... any ideas of what to do in San Diego on a Wednesday night? Dan
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permalink #678 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 26 Jun 02 17:18
permalink #678 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 26 Jun 02 17:18
E-mail from Glen Seymour: Pamela, I regret the timing of my previous message. Several years back my best friend died in a car accident. My friend Ralph was a huge fan of Roger Zelazney, so when I saw that Zelazney was scheduled to be at Gencon, I decided to go meet him. Zelazney never made the convention, passing away earlier that year. It was my first real taste of death and I still feel his passing at odd times because of simple reminders. My best wishes for you. Glen
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permalink #679 of 1963: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 26 Jun 02 20:30
permalink #679 of 1963: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 26 Jun 02 20:30
Pamela -- I'm honoured that I could help. My sympathies.
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permalink #680 of 1963: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Thu 27 Jun 02 09:59
permalink #680 of 1963: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Thu 27 Jun 02 09:59
Thank you very much, everyone, for your kind words and for sharing your own experiences. I think that the sharpness of loss makes the comfort of connection even more potent. Dan W: It was so strange, in a way, to have a friend say that quote to me yesterday. I didn't even know he'd read SANDMAN. As for San Diego, you should go directly to Cafe Pacifica in the Old Town district and eat as much fabulous seafood as you possibly can hold and then... get the creme brulee for dessert and thank me later, after you can speak coherently again. We've gone to San Diego *just* for that creme brulee. And Old Town's kinda cute to wander around in. Glen: I'm sorry you didn't get to meet RZ. I think that's the hardest for me... all the things that will never happen... Thank you all again.
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permalink #681 of 1963: meg (siozie) Thu 27 Jun 02 10:33
permalink #681 of 1963: meg (siozie) Thu 27 Jun 02 10:33
Pamela - My sympathies and best wishes, that is a hard loss to bear. :( DanW - Hot Topic for a while was carrying several different Sandman shirts, one of which had that quote from Death, and her resting her arms on the words with a bemused smile on her face. (It is one of my favorite shirts :) Glen - I received my Scary Trousers shirt as well, and its fantastic! I haven't worn it out yet, I figured I would save it for the reading :) meg (with much sadness for pamela's friend and family, and much tiredness for herself)
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permalink #682 of 1963: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Thu 27 Jun 02 12:46
permalink #682 of 1963: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Thu 27 Jun 02 12:46
Pamela, my thoughts are with you as well, and my condolences. And I really, really like how you said it up there: "I think that the sharpness of loss makes the comfort of connection even more potent." Yes. Exactly so. Elise, who is going to order a Scary Trousers shirt, and who is also taking this opportunity to wave at Neil and say in a loud stage-whisper: "PSST! The thing we talked about at my table at WisCon has come to pass; for lo! it is the fullness of time, and thou mayest tell thy comely and stalwart assistant, so that she may contact me before I get my butt on the plane to DC tomorrow, lest things have to wait until the Second Coming, or at least until my own homecoming late Monday night." Here endeth the text. Selah. Park it and lock it. Wah de doo dah. (And other strange phrases inexplicably current among Mn Renfesties lo these many ago, back when dinosaurs trod the boards in tights and fake Elizabethan dialect.)
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permalink #683 of 1963: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 27 Jun 02 14:09
permalink #683 of 1963: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 27 Jun 02 14:09
Elise -- sending you an e-mail with Fedex info, but if things get too late, just drop them off at DreamHaven. Er, for Lo, I shall be en route to San Francisco by Monday Night.
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permalink #684 of 1963: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Thu 27 Jun 02 21:13
permalink #684 of 1963: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Thu 27 Jun 02 21:13
Pamela- I lost a good friend in a motorcycle accident a few years ago. I know how it feels. My thoughts and sympathies are with you.
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permalink #685 of 1963: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 27 Jun 02 22:05
permalink #685 of 1963: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 27 Jun 02 22:05
Deeply, deeply sorry about your loss, Pam. Thinking of you.
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permalink #686 of 1963: la belle dame avec squeaks (miss-mousey) Fri 28 Jun 02 00:28
permalink #686 of 1963: la belle dame avec squeaks (miss-mousey) Fri 28 Jun 02 00:28
Pamela - <<<hugs>>> to you for your loss. Just remember to think of all the good stuff when the bad hits you hard. meg - I have that shirt. If I can't think of anything better, I may wear it out to the opera tomorrow night, just because I can. squeaks, who will work another 10 hour day tomorrow, followed by opera, followed by sleep, followed by another 10 hour day, followed by a Jesus Jones concert, followed by a little sleep, and somewhere in there I'm having a day off...
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permalink #687 of 1963: Maure Luke (maureluke) Fri 28 Jun 02 10:12
permalink #687 of 1963: Maure Luke (maureluke) Fri 28 Jun 02 10:12
Pam, I'm so, so sorry. Michelle, what are you seeing? Our season's been over for a couple months, but I'm thrilled about next. The Lyric's even doing Sweeney Todd this season, but not until November. So many things are going on this fall that the next two months are going to stretch for an eternity.
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permalink #688 of 1963: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 28 Jun 02 12:45
permalink #688 of 1963: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Fri 28 Jun 02 12:45
Wow, it's good to see familiar names and, er, virtual "faces." Hi all. Now would someone *please* take pity on me, because I don't have time to read the back posts, and tell me how I can order a Scary Trousers tee shirt? Because I really, absolutely, positively have to have one. Especially since I can't be in San Fran on the 2nd.
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permalink #689 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 28 Jun 02 13:16
permalink #689 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 28 Jun 02 13:16
E-mail from Christy Smith: Hello, All, Since I have plans to be at the NYC Neil signing next month, I thought I would introduce myself now, even though you probably won't hear much from me until I've caught up on all the postings. I've blown through Topics 73 and 104, so I'm up to about a year ago now. I'll get there.... My name's Christy, though I've also been known to answer to Lark. I've been buying my brother Sandman stuff for a few years now, but I only recently started reading Neil in earnest myself. I borrowed someone's U.K. paperback of Smoke and Mirrors around Christmastime, and, ohhh, boy, I've never looked back. As an indication of how totally smitten I am with his writing, I will tell you that in only six months, I've become 17% "Gaiman corrupt" on that online purity test -- and other than "Ramadan," I haven't even read Sandman yet! :-o I'm finding that I like this Inkwell community so far, too. You're all such an intelligent, diverse, and interesting group of people -- and may I say that any online community that can go over a year without a single flame (OK, so I could have missed one that got scribbled) impresses the HECK out of me. Sad but true. So now for the individual comments: Pamela -- I'm really sorry to hear about your loss, especially remembering what it was like when I lost a friend that way a few years ago. It's such a shock. And I'm with Elise; I really like the way you put it about the sharpness of loss and the comfort of connection. Neil -- Wow. Usually when I feel this sort of excitement and sense of discovery about someone's work, it's a band or a musician. I don't think I've been this enthusiastic about an author since I was about 11 (which, as a frame of reference, would be almost two-thirds of my life ago). I swear, you could write a grocery list and I'd be enthralled! :) Thank you for pursuing what you love and for taking the time to do it well. Neil cont'd. -- Please wish Holly a happy belated birthday for me! I hope she enjoys being 17 as much as I did. :) And have a wonderful, safe trip to CA this coming week. Perhaps I'll whet my appetite for New York by reading everyone's reviews of the Cody's reading here! Take care and God bless. As for those of you in NYC, and anyone who's a veteran at attending these Gaiman appearances -- I do have one question. About how early should we be there in order to get a fairly close seat for the reading part? It's my first time seeing Neil in person, and I want a good view (and some good pictures, if they'll let me take some)! Neil said at least an hour early, but I think Rocky said something last year about how the place would be mobbed already by then. Advice, anyone? I plan to be there with my brother (and possibly a co-worker). If I see a bunch of people wearing matching shirts, maybe I'll amble over and say hello! In the meantime, everyone have a great weekend wherever you are! Back to My Time-Warped Lurking, Christy "She's a bomb, yeah, she makes her presence known" -- The Choir
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permalink #690 of 1963: Shawn Shelby (shawnshelby) Fri 28 Jun 02 13:59
permalink #690 of 1963: Shawn Shelby (shawnshelby) Fri 28 Jun 02 13:59
Neil - I'm loving the thought of Pratchett-as-Gaiman. *silently vows to see that video somehow, someday* Hi Christy! Always glad to see additions to the swap Don't have much to say, but thought I'd lazily stop by and browse...
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permalink #691 of 1963: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Fri 28 Jun 02 14:11
permalink #691 of 1963: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Fri 28 Jun 02 14:11
Hi Christy! Ok I keep hearing a rumor and I just want to know. I'm not trying to spread anything stupid around, but it is my understanding that Salon.com is in financial trouble and might fold. What will become of us? If I'm wrong, I'm very sorry, but I figured this would be the place to ask.
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permalink #692 of 1963: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Fri 28 Jun 02 14:38
permalink #692 of 1963: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Fri 28 Jun 02 14:38
Christy -- thanks so much, and welcome. I really don't know how to answer. If you have an empty sort of thursday on the 11th, then wander down to Barnes and Noble at lunchtime and get a sense of how many people are there already, whether they are handing out numbers and if so can you get one, what you'll need to do to get a chair near the front at the reading, and take it from there. In the old days an hour would be plenty, but things are weird these days, and you might have to be there earlier. If so, arrange to hang around with nice people (Rocky, for example, is Very Nice People) while you're killing time in Barnes and Noble.
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permalink #693 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 28 Jun 02 14:43
permalink #693 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 28 Jun 02 14:43
What I'm hearing is that this particular writer at Reuters has gotten information so wrong in the past that the folks at Salon won't even talk to him any more. Things aren't great - very few things in the online industry are - but they are as optimistic about our future now as they were a year ago. None of us wants to see the WELL go away, and we will do whatever we have to to keep the community together. Several years ago, when there was some sort of problem, that I don't remember any longer, that caused us to wonder what would happen if the WELL were to go away, so a whole bunch of us got together and started The River: www.river.org It's still a tiny little community (I couldn't continue going there at the time because financially things were shaky for me when the community was gowing) but there are still lots of members, and I assume that, if the WELL went south, we'd all head over there. We'd just have to develop some software to create a Web-readable conference like this one. The River has lots of bright minds, though, so I don't think it would take long. Here's the River's History and Mission Statement: OUR HISTORY In 1995, several hundred persons experienced in computer conferencing were conferring electronically to discuss the past and imagine the future of online communities and commercial communications services. As a result of those discussions we decided to join together to create a member-owned virtual community and commercial non-profit online service, The River. Our goal has been to share what we have learned online and then apply our collective wisdom to design that which will be in the future. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- OUR MISSION "The River is an open, self-governing, uncensored, economically sustainable, computer conferencing system. The central missions of the River are to maintain a medium for conversations among a group of diverse people, and to foster virtual communities which control their own destiny. The River Community is owned and governed by the people who create the high-quality conversations which are the source of the River's value. The River is dedicated to experimentation, and welcomes newcomers." The bottom line is, Adriana, not to worry. We will find a way to stay together if anything happens, and there's a solution waiting in the wings.
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permalink #694 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 28 Jun 02 14:45
permalink #694 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 28 Jun 02 14:45
Neil slipped. When we went to see him the last time he was in town for a reading, we got there two hours early and got seats fairly close to the front in the same room where the reading took place. Many others had to settle for hearing him over the speakers elsewhere in the store.
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permalink #695 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 28 Jun 02 14:59
permalink #695 of 1963: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 28 Jun 02 14:59
Also, in response to the Salon question, here's the response to the news article by Salon CEO Michael O'Donnell: http://www.poynter.org/medianews/extra17.htm in which I see I have the gender of the reporter wrong. Also, there is a discussion of this issue going on in the news conference - g news - topic 2716.
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permalink #696 of 1963: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Fri 28 Jun 02 16:23
permalink #696 of 1963: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Fri 28 Jun 02 16:23
WELL members are also invited to drop by the <salon.> conference, where there's even more conversation about the news article and Michael's response.
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permalink #697 of 1963: meg (siozie) Fri 28 Jun 02 17:00
permalink #697 of 1963: meg (siozie) Fri 28 Jun 02 17:00
Christy - Welcome! :) I don't know about the rest of you BA folk, but I plan to get there as soon as humanly possible. I mean, how torturous IS it to spend a few hours in a bookstore? :) (I used to spend hours in the Wake Forest U library as a kid, wandering the stacks of old volumes...)
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permalink #698 of 1963: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 28 Jun 02 17:19
permalink #698 of 1963: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 28 Jun 02 17:19
Oh, Meg... I wouldn't go to the bookstore if I were you... since the event is happening at a church. The First Congregational Church at 2345 Channing Way, to be precise. I hope to be there about 4:30.. an hour before the doors open. San Diego was nice. I ended up meeting up with someone from nerve.com and getting dinner in La Jolla. See some of ya on Tuesday!
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permalink #699 of 1963: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Fri 28 Jun 02 18:44
permalink #699 of 1963: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Fri 28 Jun 02 18:44
Christy, just for a frame of reference, I went to see Neil when he signed at the BordersWTC. My best friend, sister, and her boyfriend got there at ten or eleven for the six o'clock signing. By noon, there were eight of us. By one o'clock, close to twenty. By four before the event itself, the small section they'd cordoned off for the reading itself was completely occupied, half the reference section was pack, and all the adjoining aisles were filled. After that, I couldn't see the people who'd arrived, and I was way at the front and talking to cool people, and so I didn't keep tabs on it. We took up the whole third floor, I believe. And welcome to you. Have fun at the reading; I was thinking of trekking back up to NYC myself for it, but I haven't yet decided if that is, in fact, in the cards. We'll see.
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permalink #700 of 1963: Rocky (rocky-nyc) Fri 28 Jun 02 22:21
permalink #700 of 1963: Rocky (rocky-nyc) Fri 28 Jun 02 22:21
Pamela - I'm really sorry to hear of your loss, hopefully all the wonderful memories will help you through this difficult time. Madame Squeeks - Jesus Jones is still around? Christy - Welcome! I'm definitely attending the reading in NYC and I plan to be there at noon. Neil read at B&N's 20th [?]Street location once and they weren't prepared for the size of the crowd. Hell, they're never prepared! Maybe this time will be different, but don't count on it. And since I'd like to meet other Swapmeet attendees, I'll wear one of those "Scary Trousers" t-shirts. :) Neil - Thank you, I'm in excellent company. Rocky who has forged wonderful friendships with fellow Wellies and Thingies...some of the nicest people.
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