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Topic 154: Oliver Trager - Dig Infinity! The Life and Art of Lord Buckley
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permalink #101 of 189: Berliner (captward) Tue 23 Jul 02 03:24
permalink #101 of 189: Berliner (captward) Tue 23 Jul 02 03:24
I first heard The Nazz, and that's definitely where I'd start turning people on to Buckley. It's a story practically everyone in our culture knows and to hear it told sideways opens it up. Finished the book last night, and I didn't know a thing about how Buckley's bust eventually toppled the cabaret card laws in New York. Among other things, that law kept there from being much of a rock and roll scene in the mid-60s in New York, which is why far more creative work got done on the West Coast than in the place many people would have expected. Excellent work!
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permalink #102 of 189: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 23 Jul 02 13:00
permalink #102 of 189: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 23 Jul 02 13:00
E-mail from Michael Monteleone: re: first intro to Lord Buckley I think a very good introduction for anyone to Lord Buckley would be to try to lay your hands on a copy of the Studs Terkel interview with Lord Buckley (excerpts of which appear in Oliver's Dig Infinity!) During that 30 minute interview His Lordship lays a number of routines on Studs (and Studs digs it deeply.) Buckley performs Hipsters, Flipsters (on the heels of Stud's offering of Marlon Brando's "Friends, Romans, and Countrymen" speech from the film version of Julius Caesar). Buckley also riffs on Willie the Shake, he does Poe's The Raven, His Majesty the Pedestrian, His Majesty the Policemanm, and there is even a snippet of The Gettysburg Address. Between these performances Buckley offers a number of observations on the Hipesemantic language, on translating classic literature into hip, the theatre, vaudeville, the youth of the nation. The interview is magical. Studs and The Lord really seems to enjoy each other's company. For someone new to Lord Buckley it is great introduction to the routines and the Buckley persona. The downside is that I don't think the tape is presently available. Studs has donated his collection to, I believe, the Chicago Historical Society. The last time I checked with them they had yet to move the Buckley interview through the proper channels prior to their offering it to the public (but that was a least a year ago). A substitute, albeit a poor one, is to read a transcription of the interview at lordbuckley.com in the Speak the Jive section. Another possibility, in the interview vein, is the Pacifica Radio interview with Bill Butler. This radio ression is a lively romp in which Lord Buckley at first overwhelms the rather square host Bill Butler. Gradually though Butler gets a bit hipper and with it. Buckley talks about his early days in show business, talks about his newest album release Wayout Humor, and he jumps all over the joint with high energy routines. By the end of the interview Bill Butler is a convert. I think the interview might be available through Pacifica Radio. Try looking up "pacifica.org" on the web. I think they have a tape service that might offer the recording. -- Michael Monteleone
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permalink #103 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Tue 23 Jul 02 14:19
permalink #103 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Tue 23 Jul 02 14:19
I wonder if I could get that inteview from the Pacifica archive and broadcast it on KPFA. In a related vein, I am in New York (see topic 107 for more on why), and I paid a visit to Oliver in his office today. After years of corresponding, and a previous KPFA phne interview (in 1998, when his Grateful Dead book came out), we met face to face for the first time today! We are planning a radio show. Some time in September (and I will post here when it's confirmed), I will interview oliver about "Dig Infinity!" and we will hip whoever's listening to some of the magic of Lord Buckley.
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permalink #104 of 189: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 23 Jul 02 14:22
permalink #104 of 189: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 23 Jul 02 14:22
Terrific!
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permalink #105 of 189: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Tue 23 Jul 02 15:06
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permalink #106 of 189: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Tue 23 Jul 02 15:08
permalink #106 of 189: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Tue 23 Jul 02 15:08
(oops, dreadful typo...) Speaking of radio shows, I understand you're involved in a semi-annual radio show that's dedicated to Lord Buckley, Oliver. Also, that perform in a review (?) called "Dig and Thou Shall Be Dug." Can you talk about the radio show, and your work with the group performance of Buckley's material?
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permalink #107 of 189: Oliver Trager (oliver-trager) Tue 23 Jul 02 19:01
permalink #107 of 189: Oliver Trager (oliver-trager) Tue 23 Jul 02 19:01
David: It was great to finally get a first person hit of that Gans magic this afternoon. Through the "GD Hour" and your various projects over the years, I felt as if I already knew you and I was glad that the man I met and his work were, like Buckley's, pretty close to what I always imagened. And yeah, as you broadcast on a Pacifica station, use of the 1959 Buckley-Butler KPFA interview probably won't be too difficult to swing. And Cynthia, what David and I discussed will probably not be too different (albeit perhaps somewhat more choreographed) from the appearances I've made on WBAI (NYC's own Pacifica affiliate) or on WFMU (our truly fab and famous free form music station braodcasting out of Jersey City. On those shows (Bob Fass's "Radio Unnameable" on BAI and my friend Doug Schulkind's "Give the Drummer Some" on FMU) I've generally shown up with my stash of common and rare Lord B., spun some wax and given some decent 101. I always like to try and balance the presentation with the typical indocternation material (i.e. "The Nazz," "Jonah," "Hipsters, Flipsters") and the more arcane for the freaks hungering for the rarities. Semi-millennial would be a better way of describing the frequency with which I've presented "Dig and Thou Shall Be Dug." Over the years, I've met quite a few A-list Buckley interpretor/imiatator/channelers who really nail his work. So I used to gather them in NYC, promote the gig through word-of-mouth or whatever and give them all enough stage time to do at least one and usually more bits. The last major presentation transpired back in '96 and we had about seven including myself (I do a pretty bad-ass version of "The Gasser" and an okay "Black Cross") and a live band run through a gamut of Buckley's best. ABout two hundred people came seemed to dig. Michael M. has some cool images taken from a couple of videos shot that night posted on lordbuckley.com (check out "filmstrip"). Tom Calagna emerged from that night with a one-man show that he presented periodically over the next couple of years so I held back from further productions as I felt his show was worthy and natural outgrowth of my efforts. With the publication of "DI!", however, I am considering reentering the performance fray with a similar production perhaps next spring in time for Lord B's 97th birthday.
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permalink #108 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Tue 23 Jul 02 19:26
permalink #108 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Tue 23 Jul 02 19:26
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permalink #109 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Tue 23 Jul 02 19:27
permalink #109 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Tue 23 Jul 02 19:27
Lemme try that again... > And yeah, as you broadcast on a Pacifica station, use of the 1959 Buckley- > Butler KPFA interview probably won't be too difficult to swing. I will certainly look into it! Great to meet you, too, Oliver.
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permalink #110 of 189: Kosher Swan (shmo) Tue 23 Jul 02 20:50
permalink #110 of 189: Kosher Swan (shmo) Tue 23 Jul 02 20:50
I just have to step out of my horrendously busy schedule to squeeze in a plug for Oliver's fantastic "American Book of the Dead: The Definitive Grateful Dead Encyclopedia," one of my favorite GD reference works, one I refer to often when doing the radio show on KPFK. I have "Dig Infinity!" but haven't cracked it open yet. But those of you into Grateful Deadiana should not be without Mr. Trager's excellent encyclopedia. So hello to Oliver--I have good memories of the interview we did a couple of years ago. And also a major shout out to our interviewer Michael Simmons, a dear friend and man of many more talents than most of you reading this realize. One day his total greatness will be revealed! That's all. Now I've got to put my twice-broken nose back to the grindstone! I'm loving this interview guys. Keep going!
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permalink #111 of 189: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Tue 23 Jul 02 23:03
permalink #111 of 189: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Tue 23 Jul 02 23:03
Thank you, Shmo. Oliver, have there been any previous bios of Buckley? Also, how much unreleased performance tape is there?
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permalink #112 of 189: Oliver Trager (oliver-trager) Wed 24 Jul 02 03:16
permalink #112 of 189: Oliver Trager (oliver-trager) Wed 24 Jul 02 03:16
Kosher: Nice to hear from you again and yes, I remember our interview fondly. And thanks for the plug for my GD book. Wait'll ya see my Dylan Encyclopedia...I think it's even better. Michael: Nothing close to a biography was ever attempted. The first lengthy sources of biographical info I cam across were Albert Goldman's 1969 article in "Life" mag, a fairly lengthy section in Phil Berger's social history of standup, "The Last Laugh," and a very good article in a 1983 edition of the "L.A. Reader." Re: the amount of unreleased material. In pure number of hours, we've probably collected upwards of about twenty hours of material. That's a thumbnail. Also back to that Nasby guy...godd work Michael M in tracking down that quote. I love that stuff! I hear "Governor Slugwell" in Nasby's rap: that double-talkin', flim-flammin' word-twistin' snake-in-the-grass. I doubt Lord B ever came across this character but who knows?
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permalink #113 of 189: Berliner (captward) Wed 24 Jul 02 05:58
permalink #113 of 189: Berliner (captward) Wed 24 Jul 02 05:58
I'm sort of holding any comments down until I hear back about a review of this and the new Bill Hicks bio I pitched to a magazine, but I'm curious what happened to Buckley's three kids. Also, in the next edition of the book (which I'm sure there will be), it'd be nice to have a page with the track-listing of the CD on it: I converted someone to Buckley yesterday, but I had to keep opening the CD player to figure out which track was which. Minor quibble, but...
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permalink #114 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Wed 24 Jul 02 07:55
permalink #114 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Wed 24 Jul 02 07:55
Yeah, I would like to have seen some more documentation on the CD's contents, too.
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permalink #115 of 189: from MICHAEL MONTELEONE (tnf) Wed 24 Jul 02 12:36
permalink #115 of 189: from MICHAEL MONTELEONE (tnf) Wed 24 Jul 02 12:36
Michael Monteleone writes: Berliner, re: Buckley kinder There are three royal offspring: Fred, Laurie and Richard Jr. They all live in Southern California. Fred, at present, works as a leather restorer for very fine and fancy automobiles. He is a sweet fellow, as tall as his dad and eerily similar in appearance. He even has some of His Lordship's vocal capacity. Fred accompanied Roger Mexico and I to our Jonathan Winters interview last year where he immediately elevated Jonathan to the peerage (since 1958 Winters had to be satisfied with Lord Buckley's declaration that he was Prince Jon). Fred also accompanied us to visit Prince Lewis' (Lord Buckley's last aide de camp) compound out in the desert near Las Vegas. He and Lewis had not seen each other in 40 years. That was quite the meeting. Two old hipster warriors sitting in the shade of a ramshackle house, talking about this gig here and that gig there and the radio and video and all that jazz. Laurie recently moved to Southern California from Las Vegas to help support her daughter's pregnancy and to be there for the birth. Laurie has two children. By Laurie's own report, she has pursued a number of different tracks, among them work in prisons doing some kind of psychologically based therapy. She has been a publicist and publicity consultant in Las Vegas. Over the years she has developed some rather intricate and mind twisting theories about life, the universe and everything. She has been working on a book about her father for a great long while now. I'm not sure what Richard Jr. does these days. He surfaces on occasion to fire a shot off one port bow or the other. By reports, he is a pretty good guitar player. He produced "Lord Buckley Live" a tape issued by Shamabala Records. -- Michael Monteleone lordbuckley.com
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permalink #116 of 189: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Thu 25 Jul 02 01:55
permalink #116 of 189: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Thu 25 Jul 02 01:55
Oliver, you've written the consummate Lord Buckley biography and artifact. Any other Buckley projects in the future? Can you discuss your Dylan encyclopedia? Any major scoops contained therein? Any comments on other upcoming Trager works?
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permalink #117 of 189: Oliver Trager (oliver-trager) Thu 25 Jul 02 03:25
permalink #117 of 189: Oliver Trager (oliver-trager) Thu 25 Jul 02 03:25
I'd like to see the various other projects we've discussed (a feature film, Michael M.'s docu, the release of the out-of-print/rare Buckley material, an all-star tribute album) and anything else that may come up move forward and I plan to lend my efforts to making them all happen some day. Like but better than my Grateful Dead encyclopedia, the Dylan encyclopedia is a massive, song-by-song, album-by-album A-Z listing of all things Dylan with more of a focus of the music, the lyrics, the roots, etc. than yet another biographical rehash. Every Dylan song every released, every album he has released or ever appeared on, every song he has ever covered, etc. has an entry in the tome. So while the interested reader might find a extensive critique of, say, "Tangled Up In Blue," there is also a couple of pages on the roots of "Froggie Went A-Courtin" or even the story of this Lord Buckley guy and his place in the Dylan oevre. Each song entry also includes a short discrography of what albums the song can be found on similar in format to "The American Book of the Dead." I've begun to focus some effort on screenplays. I wrote a wild one earlier this entitled "The Book of Mojo," which is a recasting of "The Saragossa Manuscript" (Jerry Garcia's favorite film) as an American folk opera/Good Samaritan tale taking place in the last days of the war of 1812. As you may have guessed, its pretty trippy. If anyone wants to read it, I'd be happy to shar and it comes along with a tape (you can keep it!) of all the songs (both ancient and not so) incorporated into the play. Think "O Brother" meets "Star Wars." I'm also working on a recasting of Kurosawa's "Ikuru" in post 9/11 NYC, a baseball screenplay ("Babe Ruth Goes to Mars") and a story involving Ezra Pound. So, as you can see, a series of totally biazzare and nearly-impossible-to realize projects but what else is new? BTW, I had the chance to see David Gans perform down at the Lion's Den in the Village last night and just want to give a shout out for my main and a truly wonderful show full of passion, conviction, humor, heart, good times and good will...kind of like this band I used to go and hear. A egalitarian mix of originals and covers (some predictible others not) David really put it out there. I think he played for near two hours. This is probably not the space to gush too much but if Gans swings to a Shakedown Street near you, check him out. Also got to meet some of my secret heroes Dan Levy who ran a great little press Citadel Underground back in the late 1980s/early 1990s and Gary Lambert who edits "The Grateful Dead Almanac." Inspiration moved me brightly!
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permalink #118 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Thu 25 Jul 02 06:03
permalink #118 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Thu 25 Jul 02 06:03
Thank you for coming to my show, O.T., and thank you for such a kind summary! Your "Book of Mojo" sounds intriguing as hell, and the rest of these projects you mention are also quite interesting! Is tehre a pub date form the Dylan book?
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permalink #119 of 189: Berliner (captward) Thu 25 Jul 02 06:04
permalink #119 of 189: Berliner (captward) Thu 25 Jul 02 06:04
Whoa! <danlevy> is Dan Levy from Citadel Underground! Why didn't I make that connection? Thanks for pointing that out, Oliver!
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permalink #120 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Thu 25 Jul 02 06:12
permalink #120 of 189: David Gans (tnf) Thu 25 Jul 02 06:12
That's the guy!
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permalink #121 of 189: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Thu 25 Jul 02 06:55
permalink #121 of 189: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Thu 25 Jul 02 06:55
We knew him when!
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permalink #122 of 189: Dan Levy (danlevy) Thu 25 Jul 02 08:32
permalink #122 of 189: Dan Levy (danlevy) Thu 25 Jul 02 08:32
None other! It was great to meet Oliver last night, and hello Michael! and, yes, Ed it is I... It's been a long time since Citadel Underground but of course will never forget that Ed is a charter member of CUBA (Citadel Underground Board of Advisors).
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permalink #123 of 189: Berliner (captward) Thu 25 Jul 02 10:01
permalink #123 of 189: Berliner (captward) Thu 25 Jul 02 10:01
Did I ever offer any advice? Since you're still alive, I know you probably didn't heed it...
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permalink #124 of 189: Dan Levy (danlevy) Thu 25 Jul 02 10:11
permalink #124 of 189: Dan Levy (danlevy) Thu 25 Jul 02 10:11
Your advice came in the form of accepting some free books! But was always most appreciated, as I was a longtime reader of yours.
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permalink #125 of 189: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Thu 25 Jul 02 13:20
permalink #125 of 189: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Thu 25 Jul 02 13:20
Hey Dan, glad to know you're here with us. While we have you, what are you up to? Any plans to collect rare McKenna in book form? Last time I saw you was at Esalen w/Pesce, Rushkoff, Davis, Dennis McKenna and the rest of Terry's Kids.
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