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Topic 157: Kathi Kamen Goldmark: "And My Shoes Keep Walking Back to You"
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permalink #101 of 219: David Gans (tnf) Thu 29 Aug 02 11:56
permalink #101 of 219: David Gans (tnf) Thu 29 Aug 02 11:56
> I still would have welcomed a shot at one more rewrite. I think we decide > that books are finished when we run out of time to work on them. The big- > gest difficulties had to do with my own lack of confidence, though...the > compulsion to ask myself why anyone would care what I have to say, sort of > like biting on a toothache. Come on, you know exactly what this is like, because it's the same thing we go through with our records. Someone said art works are never completed, just abandoned. That's a little melodramatic, but there is much truth to it. > Some of our best ideals end up on the floor, snipped out for space by an > editor who thinks they "know." Which makes us learn to do the cutting ourselves before those churls can get their mitts on our genius :^) > "I don't get the joke," he'd say, "I think you should cut this sentence." > "OK Jay, tell you what--go out in the hall and read the sentence to the > first five people you see. If no one laughs, I'll cut." And, man of honor > that he is, he would call back to say, "OK, they laughed. It stays." That's a great editor! I have had the insane good fortune to have a couple of fine editor/mentors in my time. Cherish them.
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permalink #102 of 219: Berliner (captward) Thu 29 Aug 02 11:59
permalink #102 of 219: Berliner (captward) Thu 29 Aug 02 11:59
"Which makes us learn to do the cutting ourselves before those churls can get their mitts on our genius :^)" Oh, no. You always leave an obvious one or two in there so the editor feels he/she's accomplished something. Otherwise, they go hunting the good stuff!
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permalink #103 of 219: David Gans (tnf) Thu 29 Aug 02 12:02
permalink #103 of 219: David Gans (tnf) Thu 29 Aug 02 12:02
Good point.
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permalink #104 of 219: David Gans (tnf) Thu 29 Aug 02 12:02
permalink #104 of 219: David Gans (tnf) Thu 29 Aug 02 12:02
That's how the TV producers deal with Standards and Practices, too.
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permalink #105 of 219: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Thu 29 Aug 02 12:20
permalink #105 of 219: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Thu 29 Aug 02 12:20
I am very pleased to know there are other practitioners of the sacrificial lamb school of writing.
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permalink #106 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Thu 29 Aug 02 14:23
permalink #106 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Thu 29 Aug 02 14:23
Or the unintentional sacrificial lamb. Every CD I've ever produced, despite painstaking editing and proofreading, comes off the presses with one typo. It is always such a relief when I find it, because then I know I didn't misspell the lead singer's name, or something. I guess the moose heads (which were really supposed to be Buffalo heads) were the sacrificial Moose in shoes, or a subconscious tribute to Bullwinkle, take your pick. David is right of course, about the CD production process. Every time feels new and different though, to me. Hey, I just had a thrill--first bookstore sighting, at Stacey's in San Francisco. Face out. Yippie!
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permalink #107 of 219: Elizabeth Churchill (leroy) Thu 29 Aug 02 15:50
permalink #107 of 219: Elizabeth Churchill (leroy) Thu 29 Aug 02 15:50
Wow, that is exciting! How are your colleagues at work reacting to your book? Has anything changed sine you became a famous author? By the way, I've been meaning to say what a gorgeous picture of you that is inside the jacket. People are going to be rabid with jealousy that a mere child wrote such a fine book. You don't look a day over 23.
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permalink #108 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Thu 29 Aug 02 17:06
permalink #108 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Thu 29 Aug 02 17:06
Why do you think us old broads like to hang out in honky-tonks, where they have "dim lights, thick smoke, and loud,loud music?" Cause those dim lights make us look younger! Hmmm, as to the colleagues at Harper Collins, the PC answer is "everyone is thrilled for me, and very supportive" and in many ways that is actually true. But I don't know anyone who works in publishing who isn't secretly (or not so secretly) writing a book, and there are elements of jealousy, too. I am going to have to take 3 weeks of unpaid leave for my book tour, and my bosses were very flexible and understanding about that. But I do feel I have to be a little bit careful about getting excited about stuff around the office. The sweetest and most generous of all have been the ones you would think might feel the most threatened--the authors whose books I'm working on. Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg (A Jew in America, pub date in November) is planning to come to my booksigning in NY, and my cutie-pie Christian fiction writer Lynne Hinton is thrilled for me and gave me a totally sweet endorsement. I put her fictional town, Hope Springs, in "Shoes" as the place where Marvella Claxton learned to sing Gospel music in church, to give her a little wink. Lynne and I will be performing together at the Southern Festival of Books in Nashville, she is the first pastor I am aware of to sign on to sing harmony on the Slut Song. Rumi doesn't care, cause he lived in the 13th Century and never calls. So, the work thing is complicated, and all I can do is try to concentrate on doing a good job and hope people understand. At least, because I work in publishing, the IDEA of being an author is supported, and no one has questioned my need to go out on tour or duck out here and there to do an interview, even if might feel a bit inconvenienced or envious. And basically, I work with a bunch of very smart, nice people.
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permalink #109 of 219: Nancy Montgomery (nan) Thu 29 Aug 02 19:02
permalink #109 of 219: Nancy Montgomery (nan) Thu 29 Aug 02 19:02
After we had lunch that day, Kathi, I went back to the office and told a coworker about this cool book you wrote and that it was coming out soon and how exciting it was to hear about it and she immediately said, "I'm jealous." And she doesn't even know you! I thought it was funny, but I can imagine that if you're the author, it's not so funny. I hope the jealousy you encounter doesn't detract from the joy and excitement you have a right to feel!
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permalink #110 of 219: Elizabeth Churchill (leroy) Fri 30 Aug 02 02:53
permalink #110 of 219: Elizabeth Churchill (leroy) Fri 30 Aug 02 02:53
Marvella Claxton and her hard-drinking gospel songs are fantastic. I just want to say my car is packed full of crinolines and cowboy boots, and I'm heading off to Texas for a few days to polka like fool. Y'all may talk quietly amongst yourselves while I'm away. Ask Kathi some probing questions, decide who's going to play what in the movie, and maybe write a honky-tonk song or two. I'll be back Tuesday. Oh, and check your local bookstores! The book may be in!
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permalink #111 of 219: Vegas Vixen (cynthiar) Fri 30 Aug 02 06:46
permalink #111 of 219: Vegas Vixen (cynthiar) Fri 30 Aug 02 06:46
Gawd, I luv country music, country folk and just plain country. Like Kathi, I was a mournful folkie when I was in college. . .but I never graduated to being a full-on country music fan (not quite up to CW slutdom here, I don't own a crinoline. . . yet)until Kath and I met and bonded over a Barbie book I wrote. She had been a book escort on a couple of the authors I interviewed and came to my own book signing at the Paradise Lounge with a vintage Growing Up Skipper doll in her pocket -- the one where you twist the arm back and the creature grows half-a head and her little booblets pop out. That doll's gotta be worth something! Anyhow, we sort of bonded over Barbie pink and aqua; then she brought Harlan Ellison to an interview and we talked even more and found out that we had a mutual affecton for certain music. I went to one of her jams, sang with the band (and absolutely fell in love with David, the pedal steel player) and we've been friends ever since. She's nurtured my inner cowgirl and now that I'm living in cowboy country, my radio is tuned on a "hat boy" station constantly. Oh, how we yearn for KFAT. Gotta say, however, it's much more fun to sing that stuff than to listen to it and boy is it fun to write it! Kathi's got the best of all worlds here -- she writes it, she sings it, she records it and now she's written about it. Eeeeeehaaaaaaa!
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permalink #112 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Fri 30 Aug 02 07:14
permalink #112 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Fri 30 Aug 02 07:14
Cynthia, you should come for some of our booksigning gigs. Book Passage (9/26) and Cody's (9/27) are going to feature the band playing songs from the book! And we're having a bash (all you inkwell.vue-ers are invited) at DeMarco's on 10/18, too. (nan)--I know, it's so weird that people will say "I'm jealous" right off the bat, without knowing anything about the person or the situation. But at least she's direct and honest about it. That's something to appreciate, I think. Hey, how's your project coming along?
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permalink #113 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Fri 30 Aug 02 07:35
permalink #113 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Fri 30 Aug 02 07:35
I just did something I promised myself I would NEVER do, which is check my Amazon.com ranking. Shoes has gone from yesterday's one million something to # 4,564! (This means they probably sold all of 30 books, but still...) Now I have to join the 12-step program for AAA ( amazon-addicted authors). Cynthia, I checked those growing-up Skipper dolls on eBay recently and was surprised at how little people were asking for them. You too can have one! And, a request to the hosts: Can someone email betty@well.com and explain to her how she can join in here? She still has a well account but hasn't participated in a while, and I'm shure, as "Aunt Perle", she would be delighted to answer readers' health and nutrition questions.
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permalink #114 of 219: Vegas Vixen (cynthiar) Fri 30 Aug 02 08:40
permalink #114 of 219: Vegas Vixen (cynthiar) Fri 30 Aug 02 08:40
There are shrinks who can help you with the Amazon.com syndrome. . . honestly. The obsession can make you nuts. "The Beauty Workbook" got as high as 750. . . I was amazed. I'm logging onto Amazon myself and ordering up copies for Christmas gifts. .. And sorry, Kath, am not going to be able to come to the parties (damn damn damn ) 'cause I'm employed and we got deadliens. You know from deadlines, right?
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permalink #115 of 219: Lena M. Diethelm (lendie) Fri 30 Aug 02 09:28
permalink #115 of 219: Lena M. Diethelm (lendie) Fri 30 Aug 02 09:28
Now, Cynthia, you may not be able to make those BayArea signings but surely you can rustle up some Las Vegas activities, appearances, signings, yoiu name it for kkg?! I heard a rumor that Aunt Perle is going to come to readings and answer nutrition questions for book buyers. Does she already have her Aunt Perle outfits?
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permalink #116 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Fri 30 Aug 02 09:44
permalink #116 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Fri 30 Aug 02 09:44
Betty is far more stylish than Aunt Perle, who favors natural fiber drawstring trousers and Reeboks, but yes--it's true she plans to attend some of the events, offering nutrition advice to book buyers.
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permalink #117 of 219: Lena M. Diethelm (lendie) Fri 30 Aug 02 09:59
permalink #117 of 219: Lena M. Diethelm (lendie) Fri 30 Aug 02 09:59
Those book buyers don't know what they're in for! Aunt Perle will sell MORE books for you. She's a natural born promoter. Betty should dress like Aunt Perle, you know, to be in character.
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permalink #118 of 219: (fom) Fri 30 Aug 02 13:12
permalink #118 of 219: (fom) Fri 30 Aug 02 13:12
I'd been picturing Aunt Perle attired in BT finery (that stands for Berkeley therapist) -- flowing, loose garments in colorful handwoven cloth with scarves and shawls and goddess jewelry -- and it was a pleasant surprise to read about her sensible, minimalistic fashion approach.
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permalink #119 of 219: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Aug 02 18:11
permalink #119 of 219: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Aug 02 18:11
> (and absolutely fell in love with David, the pedal steel player) Everybody does. That's David Phillips, whose talents go way beyond the stylistic confines of honky-tonk. He's a great pedal steel player. > Can someone email betty@well.com and explain to her how she can join in > here? All she has to do is type g inkwell.vue (or if she's using Engaged!, type g inkwell.vue in the shortcut box.)
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permalink #120 of 219: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Aug 02 18:12
permalink #120 of 219: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Aug 02 18:12
And I'd like to remind those of you who are reading this from outside the WELL that you can contribute comments, ask questions, etc. by sending email to inkwell-hosts@well.com
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permalink #121 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Fri 30 Aug 02 23:16
permalink #121 of 219: Moist Howlette (kkg) Fri 30 Aug 02 23:16
BT for "Berkeley Therapist" fashions! Ha, I never heard that before, but I so exactly know what you mean...no, Aunt Perle is more no-frills. Betty, on the other hand, is a stylish dresser. It really pissed me off when I got taller than she is and her pretty outfits no longer fit me.
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permalink #122 of 219: Vegas Vixen (cynthiar) Sat 31 Aug 02 06:37
permalink #122 of 219: Vegas Vixen (cynthiar) Sat 31 Aug 02 06:37
The first time I met Betty was at one of Kathi's seders or Thanksgiving dinners and Betty brought the salad which she had garnished with a miniature kitchen sink! Love that woman. As for David Phillips -- he of the luxuriant hair in the pony tail, the Cherokee cheekbones and the flying fingers. . . ahhh. Talented and great to look at, too. My kinda guy. I love what Kath did with Aunt Perle because I could just see Betty sliding into that role. . . the Nutrition Nazi. Hummmmm. She does have definite ideas about what you put in your mouth, however. So Kathi, where is <pk> in this mix?
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permalink #123 of 219: Vegas Vixen (cynthiar) Sat 31 Aug 02 06:38
permalink #123 of 219: Vegas Vixen (cynthiar) Sat 31 Aug 02 06:38
You wanna do a book-signing in Vegas? Have Chronicle arrange it and I'll do a party for you either at the ranch or around the LUV pool.
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permalink #124 of 219: Nancy Montgomery (nan) Sat 31 Aug 02 08:41
permalink #124 of 219: Nancy Montgomery (nan) Sat 31 Aug 02 08:41
road trip! am excited to hear the band at Cody's! I've been lining up NOTW pals to come. Did you talk to anybody at Diesel about doing a reading? Barbara is good friends with the owners there. (Kathi, you are sweet to ask about my project. AT some point it will be my own dead bird that this old dog will drop in your mailbox.)
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permalink #125 of 219: Betty Kamen (betty) Sat 31 Aug 02 09:56
permalink #125 of 219: Betty Kamen (betty) Sat 31 Aug 02 09:56
The kitchen sink topping my salads: I simply won't have anyone tell me I have everything in my salad except the kitchen sink. Kathi looking young: And I thought it was because she was raised by a Nazi Nutritionist! My clothes: You might catch me shopping at CostCo dressed like Aunt Perle. My daughter: She's something else, ain't she? What a lucky mom I am.
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