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permalink #251 of 338: Alan L. Chamberlain (axon) Fri 8 Nov 02 08:59
permalink #251 of 338: Alan L. Chamberlain (axon) Fri 8 Nov 02 08:59
>"The Negro Problem" is one of the best band names of all time It's certainly attention-getting. Attention is the name of the game, after all, and I gotta agree; ten out of ten for style!
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permalink #252 of 338: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 8 Nov 02 11:04
permalink #252 of 338: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 8 Nov 02 11:04
Today's the day a new discussion starts in inkwell.vue, and we want to extend thanks to Stew and Ed for this rousing conversation about Stew's life and work. It's a great party we're having, and it doesn't have to end, as we always take pains to note: please feel free to continue this discussion as long as you want! We know there's lots more to be said....
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permalink #253 of 338: Berliner (captward) Fri 8 Nov 02 12:57
permalink #253 of 338: Berliner (captward) Fri 8 Nov 02 12:57
I have one last question, Stew: your publishing company is Geworfenheit Music, and I've been trying to figure that word out. Best I can do is "the state of having been thrown out." Is that it?
>Hey, Stew, is you as CRAZY as Charles Mingus? not yet. but practice makes perfect.
++ Do you know, or are you aware of Mr. Dogg?++ no but now i'm incredibly interested in learning about him. throw some album titles my way.
+++he did, after all, slug one of his sidemen, trombonist Jimmy Knepper, in the chops. On the bandstand. In the middle of a set.+++ geez, if i had a dollar for every time i felt like doing that... not that my musicians arent just the dandiest. but when yer in the moment and something beautiful is happening and then something utterly STUPID happens on stage to destroy that beauty i could see how you wouldnt have to necessarily be "crazy" to act on such an impulse.
Geworfenheit is one of Heidegger's terms. I guess its translated as "throwness." It sorta describes the existential situation of having been "thrown into the world" without really having had any say in the matter...and the existential confusion that results from being in this state. I'll never forget a story i was told about a little 5 year old girl watching a calf being born. All the adults around her were telling her how wonderful and miraculous and beautiful the whole thing was. But this girl was very saddened by the whole affair. And when asked why she was so sad the girl said "Its sad because now the calf is alive and it has to live." I'm sure there are better more accurate explanations for Geworfenheit (i aint no philo major - i just dig tripping on heidegger) but I think the 5 year old kid kinda nailed it.
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permalink #258 of 338: "First you steal a bicycle...." (rik) Fri 8 Nov 02 18:15
permalink #258 of 338: "First you steal a bicycle...." (rik) Fri 8 Nov 02 18:15
Throwness. You're first pop musician I've ever heard reference Heidegger at all, but to "get" Geworfenheit? Man, I owe you a beer. Just for starters.
I wanted to ask you about "Heidegger in Harlem," which is a beautiful song... but I'd be content to settle for that post.
"I am Charles Mingus, the famed jazz musician--but not famed enough to make a living in America." i guess we can all shut the hell up about record companies and thank god for our cd burners, email lists and online stores. Charlie didnt have it so easy. Who are we to complain? Sorry for falling outta touch for a few days. When i did check in last wednesday -- while unable to post -- it was nice to see all y'all firing away. To be honest, its been alot more fun checking in here than in my personal inbox! Many things that await me there are not fun. This has been fun. I'm cool with stopping by here in the future. Gimme more swamp dogg info and hey, who puts out that Mingus dvd that was referred to here? oh yeah, if yer in LA The Negro Problem plays Spaceland tomorrow night (saturday). chow, /stew
>I'm cool with stopping by here in the future. Glad to hear this.
++You're first pop musician I've ever heard reference Heidegger at all++ hey, the guy in Scritti Politti (remember them?) is a big Derrida freak, i once read. And he understood him too! Maybe I can answer the "Heidegger in Harlem" question here. But i probably cant since at any moment a car will honk and I'll be on my way. All the songs around the PMS time can best be described as fever dream lyrics. They contain flashes of scenes and snippets of dialogue that dont really add up to any clear narrative however they are about specific shit. Its just sometimes hard to articulate what the hell they are about. I do not consider those lyrics to be all that great but I "threw" them into the world and they probably hate me for it. By total coincidence one week in 199? i was fooling with 3 or 4 books and in those books i kept running into the word "essence." And the funny thing for me was that one was a Negritude Anthology and the other was a book about Heidegger. The other was a book on Baraka's Black Nationalist phase. So i thought it was trippy that blacks got to talk about their "essence" and it was ok (empowering) but when germans talked about it it was scary. I then got to thinking about how Heidegger fucked up by thinking Hitler was somehow gonna wake the Volk up to what their essence was all about. And then I thought about how thats exactly what a "strong black leader" in the 60's was sposed to do. Then, in the middle of a load of depressing thoughts about the dubious nature of man/womankind, i thought it would simply be funny if Martin Heidegger, in the middle of one of his lectures at Freiburg, accidentally time travelled into early 60's Harlem and found himself, in full-on lederhosen, on a corner soap box talking about essence. I dont think the song is anywhere as good as the daydream that inspired it. But thats it. For the record, I'm not a philo-freak. I'm much more interested in characters and Heidegger was a total character. I'm also interested in poetry and even though he was an extremely dangerous person for a time, maybe the spell he was able to cast says alot about the power of words and how stupid it is to confuse poetry with rules to live by i.e. philosphy. And isnt it hip now anyway to say philosophy is merely a kind of writing rather than a set of rules? Thats certainly a safer approach.
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permalink #263 of 338: Are You My Caucasian? (shmo) Fri 8 Nov 02 20:40
permalink #263 of 338: Are You My Caucasian? (shmo) Fri 8 Nov 02 20:40
> I dont think the song is anywhere as good as the daydream that > inspired it Alas, the sad reality of all artists in all time everywhere. Stew, playing Man-Machine on my show tonight got me thinking about your Kraut-Konnektion, all the years in Berlin, amid the neon lights. Does Kraftwerk have any relevance to you today?
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permalink #264 of 338: Brian Dear (brian) Fri 8 Nov 02 21:03
permalink #264 of 338: Brian Dear (brian) Fri 8 Nov 02 21:03
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permalink #265 of 338: Mr. Christian Ruzich (ruz) Fri 8 Nov 02 22:32
permalink #265 of 338: Mr. Christian Ruzich (ruz) Fri 8 Nov 02 22:32
> You're first pop musician I've ever heard reference Heidegger > at all I suppose Monty Python doesn't count...
Thank you, Stew, that clarifies the song for me!
>Does Kraftwerk have any relevance to you today? well, yeah. like James Brown, Sly, P-Funk and the Meters, they hover mightily over their own personal genre of groove. and seem to still be waiting for someone to snatch the pebble out of their funky, cold robotic hands. nobody has. no one in techno oriented music has managed to blend the inventiveness AND the songwriting chops. Some time ago TNP did a night of Kraftwerk covers and we were reminded of how amazingly beautiful and just down right rockin' the songs were. Also, i think there is something really interesting about how a bunch of german experimental music nerds could end up making sounds that would deeply influence black american pop music. On the surface that would seem like a MAJOR cultural stretch. But i've always thought that , despite its reputation as being loose party music, funk was eeally all about musical discipline. I can finish this thought tomorrow.
>any story behind your choice of "imbiss"? naw, i was just trying to think of an e-address that i wouldnt have to put a number behind.
> You're first pop musician I've ever heard reference Heidegger > at all ++I suppose Monty Python doesn't count... Good time to mention Python. Cuz i forgot one other point about the Heidegger song. It really appeals to my sense of humor -- the mere IDEA of having Heidegger in a pop song. In the exact same way that its really funny to mention him in a comedy sketch. He doesnt belong there -- and that makes it funny.
I just learned today that Interpol says Bin Laden is still alive... AND AT THE SAME TIME - ON THE SAME DAY I learn that Axl Rose missed his first Guns N Roses concert.... hmmmmm.
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permalink #271 of 338: Dan Levy (danlevy) Sat 9 Nov 02 15:09
permalink #271 of 338: Dan Levy (danlevy) Sat 9 Nov 02 15:09
Bin Laden is *pissed* about that.
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permalink #272 of 338: Are You My Caucasian? (shmo) Sat 9 Nov 02 17:28
permalink #272 of 338: Are You My Caucasian? (shmo) Sat 9 Nov 02 17:28
Yeah, I saw his ass rioting with all the other headbangers in the newspaper photo this morning.
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permalink #273 of 338: Regime change in the USA! (sd) Thu 14 Nov 02 08:00
permalink #273 of 338: Regime change in the USA! (sd) Thu 14 Nov 02 08:00
timid? no, but a little awed by stew's being here. the more i listen to your stuff, stew, the more i believe that clockradios all across the land should be stuffed with your tunes for wakeup music. my whole family (a sondheim/G&S type, a They Might be Giants/rugrats type and a reel big fish/sublime type) smiles and sings along. you should be the new top fourty. when do we get the rodewald record? will it resemble NDP in any way?
TNP at the Fillmore tonight, opening for Blondie! See you there.
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permalink #275 of 338: Are You My Caucasian? (shmo) Sat 16 Nov 02 09:59
permalink #275 of 338: Are You My Caucasian? (shmo) Sat 16 Nov 02 09:59
And the Wiltern in LA Monday night! /
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