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permalink #26 of 86: I'm on the Chet Atkins Diet. Pass the BBQ, please. (rik) Mon 14 Jul 03 10:31
permalink #26 of 86: I'm on the Chet Atkins Diet. Pass the BBQ, please. (rik) Mon 14 Jul 03 10:31
I just finished it, and I want to thank you, Scoop. You speak for a legion of us. It is a very funny book about the very serious issues of who we are, what we're up to, and why we act the way we do. And I really indentified with you stories of growing up as the only jewish kid in town. For me, it was being one of two jewish kids in a small New England town. Given that neither you nor I had total immersion in the traditions we wer born into, made us both sceptical and hungry at the same time. You included a very funny bit describing your internal dialog during an early meditation session that had me giggling. That was me talking, too. I wonder if you'd be willing to talk a bit about actual technique past breath counting.
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permalink #27 of 86: Wes Scoop Nisker (scoopnisker) Mon 14 Jul 03 17:35
permalink #27 of 86: Wes Scoop Nisker (scoopnisker) Mon 14 Jul 03 17:35
You on the Chet Atkins diet... Let's get everyone to make a written record of their inner dialogue (like James Joyce did) and then we would all realize how similar our fears and desires are, and see that we are all species mates, all together in this incarnation (the Holocene--we are scene mates), and that if we want this particular experiment in consciousness to continue then we've got to change our minds as well as our way of life. Rip Van. Point well taken, Rip. In fact we cannot escape our sense of self--nature breeds it in--and every life form has it: even the membrane around the single-celled organism creates a sense of self and world or "other-than-self," however primitive. And each of us should indeed revel in our uniqueness, and let it flower and reach full expression. However, as humans, the gift of our level of consciousness is to be able to see through the membrane that separates us, and to understand the interconnection and "co-arising" of all beings, as the Buddha put it. If we truly understand that condition, then our individual expression will be more in the service of all life, and not the kind of selfish individualism that we experience in the West at this moment in history. Meanwhile, blessings to all out there (down there) in the Well. I'm having a good time. Tweek my theories. Slime my synapses. Make some news of your own.... Scoopji
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permalink #28 of 86: a monor quibble (chrys) Mon 14 Jul 03 22:03
permalink #28 of 86: a monor quibble (chrys) Mon 14 Jul 03 22:03
Welcome Scoop! I'm going to dive right in. Toward the end of your book you write: "Scale Down. Slow Down. Democratize. Decentralize." How do you do this in your own life? Most of my own attempts in this seem to have the unwanted result of further isolation since it is so much against the flow of the culture at large.
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permalink #29 of 86: Wes Scoop Nisker (scoopnisker) Tue 15 Jul 03 16:33
permalink #29 of 86: Wes Scoop Nisker (scoopnisker) Tue 15 Jul 03 16:33
Dear quibble, Yea, it's hard to live pure. Who can be a Gandhi except Gandhi. I think we have to be easy on ourselves and make sure we don't push to hard to be constantly politically or environmentally correct. That's no fun at all. People involved in Buddhist meditation can easily become obsessed with being present and "mindful" in every moment, and it drives them crazy. We're just not yet collectively at the place where we can do that. Meanwhile, we can try to go lightly, and spread the word. The main thing is to find your joy and satisfaction in living simply. It can offer subtle but great pleasures, especially if done with a sense of wonder and delight at being of service to the survival of life and the healing of the planet. And every once in a while, it feels good to go for all the gusto. As Edward Abbey once said, regarding the eating of beef: "Cattle are destroying the ecology of the West. Let's eat them up as fast as we can!" Scoopji
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permalink #30 of 86: Gail Williams (gail) Tue 15 Jul 03 16:37
permalink #30 of 86: Gail Williams (gail) Tue 15 Jul 03 16:37
What an Abbey quote! Speaking of funny people, I remember your radio work with Darryl Henriques. What was that collaboration like? It sounded awfully fun from out in radiolandia!
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permalink #31 of 86: David Gans (tnf) Tue 15 Jul 03 16:38
permalink #31 of 86: David Gans (tnf) Tue 15 Jul 03 16:38
I just got back from the Oregon Country Fair. I had a great time up there, and I found some encouragement. This is a place where the values of hippiedom are both preserved and passed along to the next generation. It was a safe place to be weird, a safe place to express yourself, and a safe place to be loudly anti-Bush. The Big Bang, the Budddha and the Baby Boom incarnate, plus Baby Gramps!
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permalink #32 of 86: John Ross (johnross) Tue 15 Jul 03 18:13
permalink #32 of 86: John Ross (johnross) Tue 15 Jul 03 18:13
I'm pretty sure that Gramps is younger than I am, and I'm a bona-fide boomer. Well, I suppose Baby Gramps is ageless, but [name witheld] is about the same age as I am, or a few years younger. I know his real name, but I don't think he wants it widely revealed.
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permalink #33 of 86: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Tue 15 Jul 03 22:07
permalink #33 of 86: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Tue 15 Jul 03 22:07
Golly, BG is ubiquitous. I've been running into him for about 25 years around the country.
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permalink #34 of 86: Wes Scoop Nisker (scoopnisker) Wed 16 Jul 03 07:08
permalink #34 of 86: Wes Scoop Nisker (scoopnisker) Wed 16 Jul 03 07:08
Yo Gang. I'd like to meet this Baby Gramps. Maybe I should go to more music festivals. Hi Gail. Yes it was a wonderfully wild experience to work with Darryl Henrigues, and we are still great friends. In fact, I just gave him the script of my comic monologue "The Big Bang, The Buddha, and the Baby Boom," and he plans to do his version of the show. When I got back from my first trip to India, I told Darryl about this character that had interrupted my meditations: he was the Swami from Miami, and he worked the boardwalk in Miami Beach, reading astrological charts for the Jewish ladies and at night doing rope tricks in the lobby of the Fontainbleu Hotel. Darryl immediately began channeling the Swami which he does to this day. Quotes from the Swami: "If you are what you eat, why be a vegetable. Why not eat people who are smarter and more good looking than you?" "Be here now! Whoops, you missed it!" "Meditate as though your next life depended on it. The incarnation you save may be your own." Om Shalom... Scoopji
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permalink #35 of 86: Lena M. Diethelm (lendie) Wed 16 Jul 03 11:35
permalink #35 of 86: Lena M. Diethelm (lendie) Wed 16 Jul 03 11:35
And what does the Swami from Miami have to say about chads (other than that they should all grow up to be doctors and lawyers)?
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permalink #36 of 86: Bruce Bartholomew (blackbart) Wed 16 Jul 03 12:10
permalink #36 of 86: Bruce Bartholomew (blackbart) Wed 16 Jul 03 12:10
Hi Scoopji, From your personal chronology, I feel like we were living in a parallel universe. After reading Sartres Nausea, I woke up from the Orange County suburban nightmare remembering Eric Burdon sing, We Gotta Get Out of This Place. After moving to San Francisco in the mid seventies, I too discovered the Ma-Roller. That little rolling device has been by constant companion as I continue to self administer my own personally developed Ma-Roller routines to keep my aging body of 55 inhabitable. I can tell you had more fun, or access, to the sixties and seventies reclamation of our personal destinies. I joined a group called the Family that had the building on the corner of Haight and Cole, once known as the Crystal Palace. I missed the good old days that other members talked about. We eventually opened a Vegan Health food store in 1978, but the world was changing so fast then we missed our window of opportunity when the world was still open to experiencing new things. The eighties, which I noticed you avoided discussing in your book until the end, symbolized the end, 1984. Many people I know want to discount the sixties and seventies as an era of escapism and the proliferation of Herpes ala Free Love. I felt this period was like entering into a wormhole, a passage into a plurality of universes, reversing the fifties political trend of politicizing religion and government as one and the same. Cal Berkeleys expert on being (dasein), Professor Hubert Dreyfus, believed we came very close to a whole new understanding of being during this era as Marxist politics simmered on the back burner. Of course, you had to be there (in Berkeley), to know how this period of history affected everyone. However Scoop, much like you, being there versus hearing about what went down, is the difference between organic and synthesized food. The vibe in synthesized food isnt there. As Jimmy Hendrix once sang, Are you experienced? A doctor acquaintance of mine was doing a study in the seventies on why welfare mothers children suffered from a high incidence of mental retardation after a steady diet of chemically created food supplied by Uncle Sam, free to the underprivileged. Meanwhile, Camarillo State Mental Hospital was filling up exponentially with severely mentally retarded children whose parents couldnt deal with the horror of their creation. This was followed by a slew of eminent psychiatrists creating falsified studies that they had successfully treated mental retardation, raising maturation levels five to ten years through behavior modification. Today, those lost souls are just as retarded as they were when their treatment began. Having said my piece, I would appreciate your response as to whether the sixties and seventies was nothing more than looking at reality through rose colored glasses, or are we only now coming back to our senses, waiting to reelect Bush? It feels like we have come full circle; the fifties are back and technology is beckoning us into a virtual black hole of anxiety and paranoia. The media tells us to seek guidance from the church to avoid the perils of that sinister marijuana. Meanwhile, Iraq is quickly becoming the new Viet Nam. Artists are free falling into the wasteland of the Beat generation. With AIDS whipping our morality into shape, do I dare leave the last Hippie Haven in Fairfax, California, the bedroom community of terrorist John Walker Lindt--a cause-oriented Aquarian born on February 9, 1981, named after Beatle John Lennon who was shot only two months earlier?
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permalink #37 of 86: Teleologically dyslexic (ceder) Wed 16 Jul 03 13:45
permalink #37 of 86: Teleologically dyslexic (ceder) Wed 16 Jul 03 13:45
Re the question (chris) aked in <28.> >"Scale Down. Slow Down. Democratize. Decentralize." > >How do you do this in your own life? Maybe with hope and perseverence? Decentralize! Support small farms: http://www.csacenter.org Buy a cow: http://www.heifer.org Study about: http://www.webofcreation.org/index.html Contribute consciously: http://www.coopamerica.org/ Yet, money can still be made: http://www.ecomall.com/ Love the Earth: http://www.spiritearthnet.org/index2.htm A job for everyone: http://www.lafsonline.org/OneHeartSong_index.htm {I'm almost finished your book--one more chapter. ;-)}
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permalink #38 of 86: Wes Scoop Nisker (scoopnisker) Thu 17 Jul 03 08:58
permalink #38 of 86: Wes Scoop Nisker (scoopnisker) Thu 17 Jul 03 08:58
Hi Bart, I'm getting a lot of questions about whether or not the countercultures of the past few decades have any relevance or not. That is one of the themes of my book, and the answer is...nobody knows. But my own sense of the answer--which is no doubt partly a wish for my own worldview and ideals to be realized--is that our contribution is significant, and that we are on the cutting edge of something new, slouching toward Washington to be born. Meanwhile, right now it looks as though the new spirituality, ecological consciousness, non-violence, socialism (sharing)--all seem to be losing ground in the zeitgeist of the nation and the world. But we have to remember to be patient. Paradigm shifts take many generations. My sense of the religious fundamentalism and tribalism that we see everywhere in the world represents a last gasp of old traditions, a fearful retreat into stories that are losing their hold on humanity. We are creating new ways and means here in the countercultures, perhaps in less visible ways than we did in the 60's, but I believe that our contribution will be of great value in the near future, when the inevitable corporate-capitalist trainwreck happens. (Sooner the better!) Of course, in the end I have to admit that I don't know what's going to happen. History has its own karma to work out (let alone biology), and I am just a pawn in the larger games of the cosmos. The main thing for me is to keep an attitude of gratitude and work with joy and love for my vision of how things might be. Blessings to all... Scoopji
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permalink #39 of 86: David Gans (tnf) Thu 17 Jul 03 10:21
permalink #39 of 86: David Gans (tnf) Thu 17 Jul 03 10:21
I hope you're right in your long-term optimism.
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permalink #40 of 86: angie (coiro) Thu 17 Jul 03 20:49
permalink #40 of 86: angie (coiro) Thu 17 Jul 03 20:49
(nothing to add, just waving at Scoop and enjoying the discussion immensely!)
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permalink #41 of 86: David Gans (tnf) Thu 17 Jul 03 22:55
permalink #41 of 86: David Gans (tnf) Thu 17 Jul 03 22:55
I'd like to talk some more about maintaining inner peace while the world it driving our blood to a boil.
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permalink #42 of 86: a monor quibble (chrys) Fri 18 Jul 03 12:40
permalink #42 of 86: a monor quibble (chrys) Fri 18 Jul 03 12:40
I'd like to talk about what David wants to talk about.
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permalink #43 of 86: I'm on the Chet Atkins Diet. Pass the BBQ, please. (rik) Fri 18 Jul 03 12:42
permalink #43 of 86: I'm on the Chet Atkins Diet. Pass the BBQ, please. (rik) Fri 18 Jul 03 12:42
I'm listening.
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permalink #44 of 86: a monor quibble (chrys) Fri 18 Jul 03 12:59
permalink #44 of 86: a monor quibble (chrys) Fri 18 Jul 03 12:59
Well, as Scoop says, "Paradigm shifts take many generations." But we seem to be saddled with riding the wheel of karma on the lower half of its ride. And frankly, it is getting difficult to imagine it is going to take that upswing. And I'm beginning to doubt it is a wheel at all.
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permalink #45 of 86: David Freiberg (freemountain) Fri 18 Jul 03 13:18
permalink #45 of 86: David Freiberg (freemountain) Fri 18 Jul 03 13:18
Well, I think that there are a lot of us who are thinking in more or less the same direction. I plan on keeping on the road I'm traveling, speaking the truth and trust that the truth will do its work, albeit s-l-o-w-l-y. Hard power is the old way --- soft power will work more slowly ... but more surely.
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permalink #46 of 86: Teleologically dyslexic (ceder) Fri 18 Jul 03 13:36
permalink #46 of 86: Teleologically dyslexic (ceder) Fri 18 Jul 03 13:36
I agree with an aspiration for hope. Political bullies may succeed but if humbly keeping the head/profile low maybe such success may go unnoticed and subsequently unopposed. ;~)
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permalink #47 of 86: I'm on the Chet Atkins Diet. Pass the BBQ, please. (rik) Fri 18 Jul 03 16:29
permalink #47 of 86: I'm on the Chet Atkins Diet. Pass the BBQ, please. (rik) Fri 18 Jul 03 16:29
I'm a bit less hopeful. I don't think we're ever going to fix it. (whatever "it" is). But I think it is very important to make an effort to discern the truth about what is true and good, and to fight for it, even though the fight will never end. It may not be about winning as much as it is about how we fight.
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permalink #48 of 86: Wes Scoop Nisker (scoopnisker) Fri 18 Jul 03 18:30
permalink #48 of 86: Wes Scoop Nisker (scoopnisker) Fri 18 Jul 03 18:30
Yo gang! Hi Angie C.! A little earlier I wrote a long involved message and then it suddenly disappeared into webozone. I suppose you folks who do a lot of this webbing stuff are used to losing your words. But I'll start again (Sisyphus was happy to start again!) with an attempted answer to David's question about how to keep your cool in these times, which is a perfect invitation for me to do my Buddhist rant. And it does work, folks! You have to practice, and train your mind to let go of its own drama and habitual darkness and worry, but it does work. Get familiar with your breath, and you can go there for refuge, dropping out of your psychological stuff and into your basic aliveness. You can get in touch with these larger forces moving through you, the biological and cosmic realm, and then your heart becomes more peaceful and then you can be peace (Thich Nhat Hanh) as you try to make peace. As Robert Thurman (Uma's dad and a Buddhist scholar) says, "Buddhist meditation is an evolutionary sport!" I'm playing, and the game is open to all. It is fascinating to observe yourself with some objectivity, and come to recognize that you are perfectly human. That, in turn, allows you to forgive yourself and everybody else. Meanwhile, Quibble, according to the Hindus we are living in the Kali Yuga, ruled over by that goddess with the necklace of skulls (all male) and blood dripping from her fangs, and since we don't get to chose the historical moment we will live through, it looks like we're stuck with Kali. But let's be real here. Most of us are living "like kings," as my Polish immigrant father always used to say. We live in a time of unprecedented abundance and freedom, with access to all of the worlds wisdom, cuisines, musics. Wow! What riches! And it has given many of us the leisure to study and learn what will truly make us happy, which is the opening our hearts to ourselves and the human condition and all beings. Along with that comes the desire for all to be happy, and to share our wealth. (Everybody goes about that their own way, some through political activism, others by going off to sit quietly in caves.) As the Dalai Lama said a few years ago, speaking at U.C. Berkeley, "Sometimes I describe myself as half Marxist and half Buddhist." Wow! The audience gasped, because marxism socialism are all dirty words in America today. But I bow to His Holiness for that statement because it brings together the personal and political. There will be a new world in time, and in the meantime we do what we can with joy. I bow to all and have one great wish for you all...love yourself. Blessings... Scoopji,
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permalink #49 of 86: David Gans (tnf) Fri 18 Jul 03 18:49
permalink #49 of 86: David Gans (tnf) Fri 18 Jul 03 18:49
Scoop, dalling, I have one word to say before I actually read your last post. Okay, two words: PARAGRAPH BREAKS!
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permalink #50 of 86: David Gans (tnf) Fri 18 Jul 03 18:51
permalink #50 of 86: David Gans (tnf) Fri 18 Jul 03 18:51
Otherwise, a BEAUTIFUL post. Thank you.
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