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permalink #126 of 189: Gerard Van der Leun (boswell) Thu 28 Aug 03 15:42
permalink #126 of 189: Gerard Van der Leun (boswell) Thu 28 Aug 03 15:42
But in a good cause... back to Gary's book...
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permalink #127 of 189: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 28 Aug 03 16:03
permalink #127 of 189: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 28 Aug 03 16:03
"Firehoses of eyeballs!" Cringingly ugly for the relationship between writers and readers, but a clear creepy image of what advertisers wish to buy.
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permalink #128 of 189: Gerard Van der Leun (boswell) Thu 28 Aug 03 16:06
permalink #128 of 189: Gerard Van der Leun (boswell) Thu 28 Aug 03 16:06
Well, you know, advertisers are not paying money just to subsidize a place for writers to vent and blather. They are, actually, in the business of selling products. People who work for non-profits have as hard a time understanding that as they do understanding why their paychecks are so small.
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permalink #129 of 189: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 28 Aug 03 16:53
permalink #129 of 189: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 28 Aug 03 16:53
If you're reponding to my post, you may be misreading me. I agree that the mixed metaphor is ugly... I further noted that the image is creepy. I meant the mental picture of a flood of bloody eyeballs blasting out of a big tube is hideous. Otherwise it is a clear description of the force that keeps paychecks coming for an awful lot of writers and artists. A mixed metaphor both creepy and clear.
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permalink #130 of 189: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 29 Aug 03 10:00
permalink #130 of 189: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 29 Aug 03 10:00
That word 'products' is disgustingly material, bos. What we sell is what people value. Some of us sell vibes...
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permalink #131 of 189: Adam Powell (rocket) Fri 29 Aug 03 10:11
permalink #131 of 189: Adam Powell (rocket) Fri 29 Aug 03 10:11
Did any of the secret society stuff make it into the book? (I haven't had a chance to read it yet).
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permalink #132 of 189: Gail Williams (gail) Fri 29 Aug 03 13:19
permalink #132 of 189: Gail Williams (gail) Fri 29 Aug 03 13:19
Secret society stuff, huh?
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permalink #133 of 189: Gary Wolf (garyisaacwolf) Fri 29 Aug 03 16:17
permalink #133 of 189: Gary Wolf (garyisaacwolf) Fri 29 Aug 03 16:17
It's in the book, but it's in code. You have to take first letter of every sentence (clue: start from the back) and by solving the pun that emerges you derive an acronym for the - nope, that's all I'm saying. I don't want to make it too easy.
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permalink #134 of 189: Dan Mitchell (mitchell) Sat 30 Aug 03 08:04
permalink #134 of 189: Dan Mitchell (mitchell) Sat 30 Aug 03 08:04
You know, the GBN/Tri-Lateral TIA satellite is picking up this entire conversation. Be careful what you say, or you'll be disappeared, perhaps winding up underground in The Camp, three miles 'neath the playa, where you'll be forced to eat ecstasy and memorize Schumpeter while bass 'n' drum music throbs through the walls of your cell in an infinite loop. Of course, The Camp is....only legend.
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permalink #135 of 189: Seahorses of the Liver (mnemonic) Sun 31 Aug 03 09:03
permalink #135 of 189: Seahorses of the Liver (mnemonic) Sun 31 Aug 03 09:03
'Since I was the host of the wired conference on the WELL at the time that memo was leaked, I had a considerable case of agita from it, particularly when the Wall Street Journal or whoever it was declared that Louis had "posted" the memo "on the Internet."' Steve, apart from the question of whether the technical details are right, there is no legal question at all that Louis had no business posting that e- mail even if his intention was to limit its reach to Wired employees. That's because a sizeable number of Wired employees were, as the result of options packages if nothing else, *potential investors in the stock.* The SEC has very stern rules about talking to investors in this way during the quiet period. Rules whose violation gets you sent to jail, as likely as not. And, of course, as Gary intimates here, and states more expressly in the book, Wired's TV division was in nowhere near the shape that Louis characterized it as in the email. Whether there are other disputable facts stated by Louis in the memo (I've been told there are others) I cannot testify with any certainty, but I knew with my own eyes that (a) the TV division was in a shambles, and (b) there was more deceit, backstabbing, and straight-up ill treatment of people going on at Netizen TV than I experienced in a whole year of investigating and uncovering the Marty Rimm/Cyberporn scandal. To be frank, it was one of the most disheartening experiences I ever had, and I'm one of the few who walked away with any money (although far less than I had been offered). Had the IPO gone forward, with investors' being told that a potentially profitable TV division might bolster the coffers of an otherwise iffy media company, we know with reasonable certainty that the SEC would have taken more than the passing interest that it did. So stalling the IPO, oddly enough, may have cleared the path both for Louis's staying out of jail and for his and Jane's eventual cash-in. It is believed by some, I think, that Gerard's leaking of the e-mail created the fiction that Louis acted illegally by posting it. As a legal matter, however, Gerard's reposting of it *made public* the fact that Louis had *already* acted illegally. We need not decide whether Louis knew he was doing so, or whether he thought he was pushing the envelope of legality, or whether he simply had no clue of how stupid a thing the e-mail was. We need only consider that there is enough puffery and falsehood in the e-mail that he sent to give even the most sanguine SEC regulator a _frisson_ of surprise.
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permalink #136 of 189: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 31 Aug 03 11:29
permalink #136 of 189: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 31 Aug 03 11:29
Thanks for that perspective, Mike. While I completely agree with you, I doubt the illusion that "Lou" had "posted" his statement to "the Internet" contributed anything to a clear-eyed appraisal of Wired's situation -- or Louis' *crime*, if that's what you believe. And the way the memo was leaked certainly maximized the illusion. But it's all water under a bridge that washed away a long time ago.
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permalink #137 of 189: Gerard Van der Leun (boswell) Sun 31 Aug 03 12:07
permalink #137 of 189: Gerard Van der Leun (boswell) Sun 31 Aug 03 12:07
Does that mean I can have some stock options?
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permalink #138 of 189: Seahorses of the Liver (mnemonic) Sun 31 Aug 03 14:27
permalink #138 of 189: Seahorses of the Liver (mnemonic) Sun 31 Aug 03 14:27
I suppose I actually technically still own some, in the Tom Verlaine sense -- souvenirs from a dream. Steve, not all violations of the quiet rule are a crime. But a violation that bolstered misapprehensions about the company's worth, that contained material misstatements on which investors might relay -- well, that's like asking for three-year vacation in Club Fed.
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permalink #139 of 189: Chip Bayers (hotwired) Sun 31 Aug 03 15:33
permalink #139 of 189: Chip Bayers (hotwired) Sun 31 Aug 03 15:33
I'm missing the material misstatements in that email about the future profitability of Wired TV, but then I'm not a securities lawyer.
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permalink #140 of 189: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 31 Aug 03 18:16
permalink #140 of 189: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 31 Aug 03 18:16
"-- souvenirs from a dream." Beautifully put.
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permalink #141 of 189: Seahorses of the Liver (mnemonic) Mon 1 Sep 03 01:19
permalink #141 of 189: Seahorses of the Liver (mnemonic) Mon 1 Sep 03 01:19
It helps that I think Tom Verlaine plays guitar like Captain Marvel.
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permalink #142 of 189: Seahorses of the Liver (mnemonic) Mon 1 Sep 03 01:44
permalink #142 of 189: Seahorses of the Liver (mnemonic) Mon 1 Sep 03 01:44
'I'm missing the material misstatements in that email about the future profitability of Wired TV, but then I'm not a securities lawyer.' I believe you will find explicit statements to that effect in the Wired Ventures prospectus. But the issue wasn't so much an express statement that Wired TV would soon be profitable as it was the significance of including Wired TV at all. At heart, Wired was a media company. Media companies are not wildly profitable the way, say, certain tech startups are. There is, however, a tried-and-true method of making your media IPO look like a winner -- it's to include a TV/broadcasting division and stress that it will be a dynamic component of the whole enterprise. TV (and to a lesser extent radio) make money hand over fist in comparison to mere magazine companies. But all this might have been mere speculation were it not that, to those of us who were watching the development of "Netizen TV" first hand, it was apparent that the first episodes at least were being crafted as a glorified road-show video *right at the time of the second effort at an IPO." Interviews and guests were heavily scripted and edited so as to say wildly optimistic things about new media (which, by merest coincidence of course, happened to be the core business of the recently reconceived Wired Ventures). Plus, Louis made no secret of hating television. I've done enough TV to know that you could love TV immensely and still make bad or unwatchable television -- to hate it dooms you to to bad TV for sure (which by all accounts Netizen TV was). So you had to figure out why it was that the whole operation was being run so insanely, which so much editing that it looked like a commercial of testimonials for Wired's vision of the future. The obvious inference was that the product was aimed not for MSNBC's general audience but for investors, especially the institutional investors whose subscription would make Wired Ventures a viable company on its own. In short: Wired plus Hotwired plus TV = something worth investing in. In short: the actual first episode of Netizen TV = buy into the digital revolution (a road-show video, in effect). In short: If this is what you're doing, you sure as hell don't let network execs like Andy Lack come and actually *look* at your process and product.
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permalink #143 of 189: Gerard Van der Leun (boswell) Mon 1 Sep 03 07:06
permalink #143 of 189: Gerard Van der Leun (boswell) Mon 1 Sep 03 07:06
I'd just like to pop in to say that, having read the first four chapters this morning, the book is quite splendid. Very good job, Gary.
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permalink #144 of 189: Chip Bayers (hotwired) Mon 1 Sep 03 09:23
permalink #144 of 189: Chip Bayers (hotwired) Mon 1 Sep 03 09:23
Stupid as it was to send the email in the first place, it would have been even stupider to attempt to "buck up the troops" in the face of external criticism by praising the efforts of the various groups (magazines, books, online) while conspicuously leaving out TV. Even if you believed TV only existed as a commercial for investors (if it was, it was the worst produced commercial in television history).
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permalink #145 of 189: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Mon 1 Sep 03 15:19
permalink #145 of 189: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Mon 1 Sep 03 15:19
I don't understand what is unusual about the email that it could potentially result in a jail term. The employees of most companies are potential investors in the stock. And yet it's not uncommon for management to say misleading things about the company's bright prospects to employees.
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permalink #146 of 189: Gary Wolf (garyisaacwolf) Mon 1 Sep 03 16:29
permalink #146 of 189: Gary Wolf (garyisaacwolf) Mon 1 Sep 03 16:29
Thank you, Gerard. On the other topic, I think, Mike, that your sense of illegality and the risk of a 3-year federal prison term is exagerated. But as the case of Martha Stewart demonstrates, it is not always the big sinners that get the big punishments, so perhaps Louis would have made an ideal scapegoat for the bubble, had Wired actually become a public company.
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permalink #147 of 189: Teleologically dyslexic (ceder) Mon 1 Sep 03 17:01
permalink #147 of 189: Teleologically dyslexic (ceder) Mon 1 Sep 03 17:01
I have recently gained a strong admiration for IBM's agressive attitude to encryption followed by authentication to assert, protect and ensure confidentiality and defense of property rights as copywrited and subsequently the defense of the privacy of information in e-mails especially insofaras controlling the subsequent disposition =/! destiny of a sent e-mail. So many have the attitude/claim that e-mail's aren't private!
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permalink #148 of 189: Teleologically dyslexic (ceder) Mon 1 Sep 03 17:03
permalink #148 of 189: Teleologically dyslexic (ceder) Mon 1 Sep 03 17:03
+/! (and or)
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permalink #149 of 189: Gerard Van der Leun (boswell) Mon 1 Sep 03 18:04
permalink #149 of 189: Gerard Van der Leun (boswell) Mon 1 Sep 03 18:04
As an interesting aside, I note in reading the book that Louis was employed ghosting the book about Caligula, Ultimate Porno, in Rome at about the same time I was employed in overseeing postproduction work on the film in London.
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permalink #150 of 189: Seahorses of the Liver (mnemonic) Mon 1 Sep 03 20:15
permalink #150 of 189: Seahorses of the Liver (mnemonic) Mon 1 Sep 03 20:15
'Stupid as it was to send the email in the first place, it would have been even stupider to attempt to "buck up the troops" in the face of external criticism by praising the efforts of the various groups (magazines, books, online) while conspicuously leaving out TV.' The email would have been equally stupid in either case. 'I don't understand what is unusual about the email that it could potentially result in a jail term.' Then you don't understand the terms of the relevant SEC regulations. 'On the other topic, I think, Mike, that your sense of illegality and the risk of a 3-year federal prison term is exagerated.' Perhaps you do, but somehow it seems unlikely that you have given much time to the subject of Securities Act violation. Me, I took a course in it in law school and aced the fucker. And that was just for starters. And what did I learn? Just this: Much that can get you in trouble under SEC regulations makes no sense. So you may say to yourself, no way could Louis's innocent little e-mail constitute the kind of quiet period violation that could earn him jail time. Sorry, but the law is not designed to make sense to you. "Quiet period" doesn't have little exceptions to buck up the troops. It has few exceptions, period. For an example of how the period can be handled properly, see Scott Rosenberg's postings in the runup to the Salon IPO. He was careful to steer clear of saying anything about the ongoing success or likely profitability of the Salon enterprise, even when he acknowledged that, well, he was still working there and expected to be working there next week and next month. Plenty of people have gone to jail fueled by the glib notion that their well-intended little violations of the rules couldn't *possibly* lead to time in Club Fed. Hell, they even asked a lawyer or two about it. Those people often get to spend time in orange jumpsuits.
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