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permalink #176 of 284: Andrew Alden (alden) Sun 26 Oct 03 18:13
permalink #176 of 284: Andrew Alden (alden) Sun 26 Oct 03 18:13
Did all of these Clarence White guitars you're talking about have his patented fifth-string bender?
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permalink #177 of 284: I yam what I yam (nboy) Sun 26 Oct 03 19:17
permalink #177 of 284: I yam what I yam (nboy) Sun 26 Oct 03 19:17
Hi Bill, I play (have played) in a number of different big bands with Rich- most recently with the monday Union 6 band which is playing the Don Piestrup charts from the '70's. I currently split the chair with Tony Kaye on guitar
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permalink #178 of 284: Dave (drsmith) Sun 26 Oct 03 21:04
permalink #178 of 284: Dave (drsmith) Sun 26 Oct 03 21:04
I don't have any Deep Thoughts about the book, but I just wanted to say that ever since I popped that old DGQ CD in my car on the way to work the other day, "Blue Midnight" has been playing in my head night and day, almost non-stop! Man, there were some great tunes on that recording. Nice work, Bill. But, really, feel free to get out of my head any day now, ok?! Okay, one not-so-deep thought about the book: FYI, the binding on my copy kind of fell apart. But on the bright side, unlike most books, which annoy me by making me lose my place, this book lays nice & flat when I set it on the table!
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permalink #179 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Sun 26 Oct 03 21:58
permalink #179 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Sun 26 Oct 03 21:58
<178> Thanks Dave. Blue Midnight is indeed a haunting tune. Hope is un-haunts you real soon. Sorry to hear about the binding on the book. A few of them have turned out that way, a very few. But, if the book lays flat when you lay it on the table, it's because of the "lay-flat cover" as it is called. Glad to hear that, at any rate. Funny, ya work yer butt off on the book, taking care of every detail you can perceive, and then you give it to a printer and lose control over everything ... like the binding.
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permalink #180 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Sun 26 Oct 03 22:01
permalink #180 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Sun 26 Oct 03 22:01
<177> I used to play with the Rudy Castro big band which met Wednesday evenings at the old Union 6 hall, which was on Jones Street, in the crotch of the tenderloin. Don wrote some good charts.
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permalink #181 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Sun 26 Oct 03 22:03
permalink #181 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Sun 26 Oct 03 22:03
I'll check on that, though off-hand, I think the answer is no. I've only seen one of them 5th string benders, on an electric guitar. It was David Nelson's, he of the New Riders and Jerry Garcia acoustic band.
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permalink #182 of 284: Berliner (captward) Mon 27 Oct 03 03:20
permalink #182 of 284: Berliner (captward) Mon 27 Oct 03 03:20
Bill, isn't there a sixth option these days in publish-on-demand? We had an author here a while back who'd done that, David Menconi, and he was quite happy with it. I should check about the ISBN number thing on that, though. That's something I never knew about.
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permalink #183 of 284: flying jenny (jenslobodin) Mon 27 Oct 03 05:37
permalink #183 of 284: flying jenny (jenslobodin) Mon 27 Oct 03 05:37
Another woman checking in here to say how much I'm enjoying this discussion. If only I can get and read the book before you leave here, Bill, so I can ask somethingorother I'm looking very much forward. I'm sure I'll enjoy the book immensely; considering some of the groups you've played with, it's probable I've seen/heard you perform. (uh-oh, how rude! i've just revealed that I didn't always pay attention to the names of every player in every band when I was younger, though I do now) The comments about big bands are taking me back, making me nostalgic. When I lived in Monterey, I was in three bands at once, including a 19-piece jazz band. What rush! I _loved_ it. I miss singing with all that wonderful sound, those great arrangements. (no, we didn't have many gigs, but as you say, it was a joy and a challenge). This is the best topic on the Well!
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permalink #184 of 284: I yam what I yam (nboy) Mon 27 Oct 03 07:51
permalink #184 of 284: I yam what I yam (nboy) Mon 27 Oct 03 07:51
I [played with the Rudy Castro band for about 6 years , after you , when they moved into Don Bennet's space on Mondays. Rudy suffered a massive stroke a few years ago and has since retired. THat was a fun band. Chart #73 was the guitar feature : Old Devil Moon.
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permalink #185 of 284: David Gans (tnf) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:21
permalink #185 of 284: David Gans (tnf) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:21
> I've only seen one of them 5th string benders, on an electric guitar. It > was David Nelson's, he of the New Riders and Jerry Garcia acoustic band. Nelson still uses that, and he is a master of it.
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permalink #186 of 284: Tim Fox (timfox) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:42
permalink #186 of 284: Tim Fox (timfox) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:42
What is a 5th string bender, if you don't mind my asking?
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permalink #187 of 284: from LYNNE TERRY: (tnf) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:45
permalink #187 of 284: from LYNNE TERRY: (tnf) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:45
Lynne Terry writes: Hi Bill - Love your book. What fascinating experiences you have had! I have a couple of questions for you. How did you manage to get all of those original photographs? And were there some you really wanted but couldn't get? Any artists that were difficult? What do you think that Jerry Garcia would think of the rock and folk music scene today - the 20s set? Lynne
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permalink #188 of 284: I'm on the Chet Atkins Diet. Pass the BBQ, please. (rik) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:46
permalink #188 of 284: I'm on the Chet Atkins Diet. Pass the BBQ, please. (rik) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:46
Alden, the Parsons-White B-Bender was an electric guitar innovation. Clarence's acoustic playing was pretty much strictly bluegrass. In fact, he, Doc Watson, and Dan Crary are the players who are credited with popularizing guitar solos in bluegrass. The B-bender went on Clarence's telecaster and he originated the pedal-steel emulation techniques that became popular in country music. Albert Lee, Ray Flacke, Amos Garrett, and local boy Jim Campilongo have picked up the torch and are running with it.
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permalink #189 of 284: Dave (drsmith) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:48
permalink #189 of 284: Dave (drsmith) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:48
Those who haven't got the book yet (hi Jen! long time) can see some excerpts at: http://www.vineyardspress.com
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permalink #190 of 284: I'm on the Chet Atkins Diet. Pass the BBQ, please. (rik) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:52
permalink #190 of 284: I'm on the Chet Atkins Diet. Pass the BBQ, please. (rik) Mon 27 Oct 03 08:52
The B-Bender was installed by routing out about half the body of the Telecaster and mounting a series of levers and wheels that will raise the pitch of the B string a whole or half tone when the player presses the guitar against the resistance of the guitar strap. The strap pulls a lever that's hooked up to a little reel that jacks up the pitch. You can buy a "Nashville Tele" off the shelf, from Fender, with the bender built-in. http://www.stringbender.com/electric/default.html
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permalink #191 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:01
permalink #191 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:01
<185> Agreed, David. I had played with David in the NRPS and knew him as an electric guitarist, where, as you say, he handled the 5th string bender masterfully. Then I heard him play bluegrass, or rather Frankgrass, with Frank Wakefield's band. He was wailin' there too, a perfect picker on the flat-top Martin.
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permalink #192 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:03
permalink #192 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:03
<176> Again, from Craig Alyn: "The Parsons White string-bender was only on his electric guitar the Telecaster, which I think Marty Stewart owns now."
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permalink #193 of 284: David Gans (tnf) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:06
permalink #193 of 284: David Gans (tnf) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:06
BTW, David Nelson has a really excellent touring band that isn't nearly as famous as they deserve to be. See www.nelsonband.com
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permalink #194 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:18
permalink #194 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:18
<182> Print-on-demand (POD) and Print-quantity-needed (PQN) are both terms created by Dan Poynter, if I'm not mistaken. They both refer to digital printing, done on glorified laser printers, which still do not have the resolution of offset litho printing. POD means you get an order for one book, you call up your digital printer and tell them to print one book. The per book cost is high, and this works when your books life has about run its course, you have none left in inventory, and you get small orders very infrequently. PQN means digital printing. It works well on runs of 500 books or less. Above that, you'd be better off with offest litho printing. Your send your printer a .pdf file, and they print the 500 copies for you. I look at PQN and POD as printing methods, digital printing methods, not publishing alternatives. One could do any of the five forms of publishing I outlined with a digital printer. My book has many photos, and the quality of photos in particular is not high with digital printing. I didn't want to sacrifice quality, AND, I had a higher print run than 500, so going with PQN was not a good choice for me. Dan is very pro PQN and POD (others are not so crazy about it). He has a discussion of it at: http://www.parapublishing.com/getpage.cfm?file=/resource/testproduce.html&user id=7AC095FC85AFB6C03511C650E9421952
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permalink #195 of 284: Tim Fox (timfox) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:28
permalink #195 of 284: Tim Fox (timfox) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:28
I'm still a little confused. Seems from the URL rik posted in 190 that this gizmo bends the B, or second string. So what's with the '5' in 5th string bender?
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permalink #196 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:29
permalink #196 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:29
<183> Hi Jenifer, glad you're here. And glad to hear this is the best topic on the WELL. So you sang with three big bands at once? Wow, that must have been a huge rush. Good for you. There's only one instrument that's hipper than string bass and that's voice, IMHO. You can read excerpts from the book at the publisher's website: http://www.vineyardspress.com
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permalink #197 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:49
permalink #197 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:49
<187> Thanks Lynne for your kind words. Well, I had a few photos at the beginning, and then decided I wanted a photo or graphic for each story. I didn't achieve that goal because of time constraints. I did much phoning around, emailing, and web cruising to get the material I needed. Finding a photo was often easy; it was getting permission to use the photo that was tough. The Annie Leibovitz photo of Aretha took me a full year. First, I had to find who her agent was. Then her agency had to locate the photos. That took time as I didn't have the exact date of the interview. When they located the session they sent me a proof sheet, but it was not very clear, not really a photographic proof sheet. Finally, after some back and forth, I chose a photo, and emailed them about that. Then they moved their location and could not locate the photos at all. Finally, months after that, they located the photos and sent me a print. But to me it was worth it. I think the photo of Aretha is Mona Lisa-enigmatic, insightful, and a bit of a hit from the past. As I recall it took no time to get it print-ready -- no adjustments to contrast, brightness, etc. were needed. I was never able to get one of Dionne Warwick. I found one from about the time that she sang happy birthday to me, but I was not satisfied at all that the person who owned it also owned the copyright to it. I didn't want to pay money for a permission that was not his to give. Generally I didn't have to deal with the artists. Usually I dealt with the photographers or their agencies. One of the photographers wanted a fee out front plus royalties, arguing that if the book sold, he would be partially responsible and that therefore he should get an ongoing cut. As I recall I didn't fully buy that argument, so I found another photographer's photo of the subject (who shall go unnamed). The permissions phase of the book -- for lyrics, photos, drawings, logos, playbills, posters, etc. -- took place over two years. As to Jerry's thoughts on the current rock and folk scene, I don't know. Perhaps other folks on the WELL have an opinion on that.
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permalink #198 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:50
permalink #198 of 284: Bill Amatneek (billamatneek) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:50
<195> Don't have a good answer for that. Anyone else ... ?
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permalink #199 of 284: I yam what I yam (nboy) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:56
permalink #199 of 284: I yam what I yam (nboy) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:56
only thing I can think of is that B is typically the 5th string if you count low to high a guitar.
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permalink #200 of 284: Berliner (captward) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:58
permalink #200 of 284: Berliner (captward) Mon 27 Oct 03 09:58
Maybe someone was counting up from the low E. A pro slips in with the same thought.
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