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permalink #76 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Thu 28 Apr 05 07:06
permalink #76 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Thu 28 Apr 05 07:06
In the mid to latter 80s Gene toured with a group under the Byrds Tribute (or Celebration) banner that, for a time, included Rick Danko and Garth Hudson (The Band), Rick Roberts (Burritos, Firefall), Blondie Chaplin (Beach Boys), John York (latter day country Byrds) and Byrds original Michael Clarke. It was Gene's own 'Rolling Thunder Revue' and the cast of characters carried some serious baggage. Even Byrds roadie Carlos Bernal was in the lineup for a time. Players came and went and the lineup solidified around Gene, drummer Greg Thomas, John York, Michael Curtis on bass and Billy Darnell on guitar to the end of the decade.
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permalink #77 of 189: Dave Zimmer (waterbrother) Thu 28 Apr 05 10:55
permalink #77 of 189: Dave Zimmer (waterbrother) Thu 28 Apr 05 10:55
Speaking of multi-musician touring bills, do think the idea of having the original Byrds, Buffalo Springfield and Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young tour U.S. stadiums on the same bill during the summer of 1974 was ever anything beyond a promoter's fantasy? It's hard to imagine it happening logistically, even if all of the musicians were available and amenable.
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permalink #78 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Thu 28 Apr 05 11:10
permalink #78 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Thu 28 Apr 05 11:10
More than a promoters fantasy, it certainly would have been a fantasy concert for just about any music fan in 1974 but I agree, Dave, that ability to mount such a concert bill would be herculean and the logistics of those three groups actually agreeing to tour together and pulling it off were highly unlikely, swollen egos notwithstanding. That was a concept mooted in the media just around the time the Byrds reunion album was released but after the album garnered less than rave reviews there was no more triple bill reunion talk. Thanks for jumping in, Dave!
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permalink #79 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Thu 28 Apr 05 11:13
permalink #79 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Thu 28 Apr 05 11:13
I have a question to throw out to the gathering here posed by a friend of mine recently. Which current recording artists would you want to see on a Gene Clark tribute album or concert (covering Gene's songs)? I'm talking upper echelon artists. I'd be curious to hear who others feel would be suitable/appropriate. I have my own fantasy list but would love to hear from others.
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permalink #80 of 189: Low and popular (rik) Thu 28 Apr 05 11:36
permalink #80 of 189: Low and popular (rik) Thu 28 Apr 05 11:36
I heard Richard Thompson, Clive Greggson, and Christine Collister do a haunting, stunningly lovely version of "Here Without You" about 10 years ago at the Fillmore. It was a great show and that was the most memorable part.
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permalink #81 of 189: from JAMES DUSEWICZ (tnf) Thu 28 Apr 05 12:21
permalink #81 of 189: from JAMES DUSEWICZ (tnf) Thu 28 Apr 05 12:21
James Duzewicz writes: Two things, John: 1) had you ever met or seen Gene Clark before and talked to him? If you did, what were your impressions of him then verses now? And 2)what indelible impressions, surprises, and just plain oddities did you observe while doing the research for MR. TAMBOURINE MAN? Thanks for being so kind to answer my questions. jimd crazyhjhd@yahoo.com James Dusewicz
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permalink #84 of 189: Steve Silberman (digaman) Thu 28 Apr 05 14:07
permalink #84 of 189: Steve Silberman (digaman) Thu 28 Apr 05 14:07
Amazingly enough John, I came here just now to ask you the same question about a fantasy tribute/cover list. Please do post your list here, matching ideal performers -- living or dead -- with ideal song choices. I'd love to hear Elvis Costello sing any of Gene's songs in his darkest mode. I once heard him sing a cover of "Pretty in Pink," of all things, that made it sound like the most melancholy, haunted song of all time. Mark Kozelek, the founder of the Red House Painters, could sing a mind-blowing version of "She Don't Care About Time," either acoustic or electric. John, if you are unfamiliar with Kozelek -- or if you only know his very immature work on the first two RHP albums -- you owe it to yourself to hear RHP's "Songs for a Blue Guitar" or Kozelek's recent album "Ghosts of the Great Highway" with a band called Sun Kil Moon. His solo albums "Rock and Roll Singer" and "What's Next to the Moon" (an album of, believe it or not, AC/DC covers that makes the songs sound like they were written by Nick Drake!) are also near-masterpieces. He's a very underappreciated artist who reaches me in the same place as Gene, Neil, Nick, etc. I think the Band could have done a helluva job with a song like "Train Leaves Here This Morning." (Sure, the Eagles' version was nice.)
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permalink #85 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Thu 28 Apr 05 16:25
permalink #85 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Thu 28 Apr 05 16:25
Hi James. No I never had the opportunity to meet Gene Clark. He came through Winnipeg with the Firebyrds in '84 but I wasn't living here at the time. Well, I didn't observe any oddities while researching the book but there were some odd things I discovered, the most striking learning that Gene once wrote the music score for a really lame anti-drug educational film narrated by Sonny Bono that many of you probably were forced to watch in Health class back in the latter 60s through the 70s. Talk about a bad career move! In terms of revelations there were many. Delving deep into his years up in Mendocino and the significance living their had on his music was quite fascinating. Any biographical references to Gene Clark mention his move to Mendocino merely in passing, a sentence and move on. It's a period few ever really knew about yet it had a profound impact on him personally (he was married there and both his children were raised there) and professionally (he wrote 4 albums worth of songs while in Mendocino, some of his best material). White Light's stark folk simplicity was inspired by his first moving up to Little River where he composed the songs on that album amid a gorgeous, rustic setting. Roadmaster represented a return to country music roots after purchasing the old coach house in Middle Ridge. No Other found Gene's musing on life with the arrival of his first child, and on Two Sides To Every Story he pours his heart out over the breakup of his marriage to Carlie. So all four of these pivotal albums in his career emerged from his Mendocino years. As well, exploring the two lost years between the Byrds and Dillard & Clark, 66-68, was quite intriguing getting a sense of what Gene was going through during a very troubled period in his life. I do a lot of research in advance before I tackle a book so going into it I have a sense of the story. But I found with Gene's life there were so many gaps, myths and mysteries. Filling in the gaps and dispelling the mysteries (like the longheld notion that the No Other album is all about drugs) became an exciting aspect of writing the book.
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permalink #86 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Thu 28 Apr 05 16:28
permalink #86 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Thu 28 Apr 05 16:28
I would love to hear Chrissie Hynde tackle one of Gene's songs. I fully agree with your choice of Elvis Costello, Steve, and Richard Thompson as suggested earlier would be marvellous. Obvious choices include REM and Neil Young but Springsteen might be able to plum to the heart of Gene's more introspective songs.
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permalink #87 of 189: Dave Zimmer (waterbrother) Thu 28 Apr 05 17:56
permalink #87 of 189: Dave Zimmer (waterbrother) Thu 28 Apr 05 17:56
John, you're right about Springsteen, and it would be great, indeed, to have Chrissie Hynde or REM on a Gene Clark tribute album. And hearing Neil do "Silver Raven" solo acoustic would be shiver city. Shifting down from the hall of fame crowd ... Chris Isaak could probably do something very special with "You Showed Me" ... of course, jumping back up the ladder, so could Crosby & Nash.
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permalink #88 of 189: Dave Zimmer (waterbrother) Fri 29 Apr 05 05:27
permalink #88 of 189: Dave Zimmer (waterbrother) Fri 29 Apr 05 05:27
A couple of other thoughts this morning, John, regarding artists to consider for a Gene tribute CD: The Finn Brothers (was at the Pantages in LA in '89 when Crowded House played a sublime Byrds medley with McGuinn); Graham Parker (has delved into acoustic folk-country in recent years, but still has that wonderful snarl in his voice); The Wallflowers (Jacob Dylan would do justice to a number of songs in the Gene canon); Dan Fogelberg (ditto); Merle Haggard (with John R. Cash and Waylon gone, the Hag could handle "So You Say You Lost Your Baby" with quiet strength).
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permalink #89 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Fri 29 Apr 05 06:06
permalink #89 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Fri 29 Apr 05 06:06
Wonderful choices Dave and Steve! I hadn't thought of Graham Parker but a great choice. Some of the current country artists could do a fine job of tackling a few of Gene's country-flavoured songs like "Gypsy Rider" or "Rodeo Rider". I would love to hear the Dixie Chicks take on "Why Not Your Baby." I think Emmylou Harris would be well-suited to several songs from Gene's catalog. Plenty to speculate on.
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permalink #90 of 189: Richie Unterberger (folkrocks) Fri 29 Apr 05 10:07
permalink #90 of 189: Richie Unterberger (folkrocks) Fri 29 Apr 05 10:07
John, I know the book has only just been published, but I'm wondering if you've gotten some interesting reactions from some of the people close to Gene that you interviewed. You mentioned in an earlier post, for instance, that Chris Hillman found reading the book a revelation. I imagine some other people are very interested and surprised to find out so much about Gene that they might not have suspected. In addition, there are some different and even contradictory recollections/opinions of Gene expressed in the book, particularly in the confusion and controversy regarding how his death and estate were handled. While you take care to let all of the players have their say, I imagine there are still some strong conflicting feelings among family and friends about the different ways in which Gene is viewed. Have you gotten any interesting feedback in these respects?
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permalink #91 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Fri 29 Apr 05 12:57
permalink #91 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Fri 29 Apr 05 12:57
Hey Richie, great to have you onboard. For the uninitiated, Richies two volumes on the evolution and impact of folk rock on popular music (Turn! Turn! Turn! and Eight Miles High, both from Backbeat Books) remain the definitive resources on that subject. Thanks for your question. I have, indeed, received reactions to the book from several associates and family members. Genes son Kai loved the book as did his sister Bonnie who told me she was moved to tears at several points in the story. Both feel the book is honest yet compassionate and goes a long way toward a greater understanding of Gene Clark the man as well as the artist. A few former band mates and friends (including long time Mendocino friend Philip OLeno) have written me to say that they feel the book is an accurate portrayal of the Gene Clark they knew. As you mentioned, Chris Hillman found the book a revelation because, despite working with Gene for so many years, he knew little of Genes background, family or personal problems. What I tried to do was not pass judgement but, instead, let those closest to the story tell it through their own reflections, insights and perspectives. There are many voices speaking throughout the book. Not all those perspectives are congruent. There have been one or two who have had to come to terms with the fact that what they were doing with or around Gene in later years, or perhaps not doing or seeing in Gene, in hindsight may not have been in Genes best interests. In other words they either didnt see the signs of his decline or chose to ignore them. They have been forced to deal with their own feels of guilt. Did they let their friend down? Could they have done anything (probably not)? The circus that surrounded Genes death, funeral and battle over his estate is no doubt tough to read for some close to Gene before his death. Clearly there is still some bitterness, resentment and finger-pointing and conspiracy theories continue. I tried to play it out in the book from the various perspectives involved letting the reader decide. Several points of view are offered. Its pretty grim in places but real. There are still those who maintain Genes death was not accidental although I do not believe so and the accounts of several others corroborate my assumption. Nonetheless those theories persist. In addition there are still recriminations levelled at all sides and longstanding animosities. I dont know if those wounds will ever heal. Some have come to terms with it, others have yet to do so. In addition, one or two close to Genes did not want to see anything in print that would cast even the slightest negative light on him. All I could assure them of was that I would tell the story honestly in a balanced manner with compassion and not dwell on the darker side for its own sake or to spin any salacious sex, drugs & rock n roll tales for mere titillation. And I feel I accomplished that. I have to say that everyone I approached, from family and close friends to band mates, contemporaries and acquaintances, was agreeable and open to speak about Gene. There was no arm twisting necessary. Nonetheless, sometimes when you see it in print its a bit tougher to deal with than merely saying it.
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permalink #92 of 189: Richie Unterberger (folkrocks) Fri 29 Apr 05 17:00
permalink #92 of 189: Richie Unterberger (folkrocks) Fri 29 Apr 05 17:00
In the book, you discuss a lot of Gene Clark recordings, spanning his entire career, that haven't been released for one reason or another. Do you have any sense of what the chances are that some of this material might get officially released soon? It seems like there's enough interest among fans to merit its availability, though the market might be fairly small, and the legalities of release clearance difficult to navigate.
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permalink #93 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Fri 29 Apr 05 17:46
permalink #93 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Fri 29 Apr 05 17:46
Actually there is some movement in that regard recently that, if it does indeed pan out, could see some of the rarer Gene Clark tracks finally available sometime down the road. Just discussion at this point, nothing definite by any stretch, but I'm optimistic and excited. Gene left quite a vast catalogue of unreleased tracks. Regrettably some of it was lost or inadvertently thrown out a decade ago but some has survived. Besides the solo demos from 66-67 there are some great studio demos from the KC Southern Band from 1977 that are among my favourite Gene tracks. The Glass House tape would be welcomed by collectors as it contains the mysterious "Communications" song mistakenly credited as around 1988-89 by Johnny Rogan but, in fact, dating from 1980-81. In addition, the Firebyrds band laid down some demos as well in 84 that are pretty hot. What I would really love to see released are the original mix of the Roadmaster tracks from 72 as the sound is truly amazing when compared with the version already out there.
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permalink #94 of 189: John Berger (jberger) Sat 30 Apr 05 08:23
permalink #94 of 189: John Berger (jberger) Sat 30 Apr 05 08:23
I was listening to "Turn Turn Turn" on my ride home yesterday, and was stricken by the way that Gene's songs had a surface veneer of the bright, jangly Byrds sound, but underneath there was a sense of both loss and being lost. Was he going through a specific love loss in that time, or was this more generalized?
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permalink #95 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Sat 30 Apr 05 10:37
permalink #95 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Sat 30 Apr 05 10:37
Thanks for your thoughtful question, John. According to Roger McGuinn, Gene had a deeper, brooding quality to him that permeated his songwriting. There was a lot of deep sorrow under the hood. He wasnt a happy, bouncy kind of guy. He had one sort of main thing that he did and that was the romantic, poetic thing. That was Gene. He was fairly mature in an emotional, romantic kind of male way that I wasnt. I was like a pre-teen when it came to that. My interests were science fiction and gadgets and things like that. I really wasnt there with the male/female love song thing. I couldnt sincerely even sing a song like that much less write one. And Gene was like a Latin lover compared to me. A lot of that deep emotion came out in Genes songwriting, that minor key melancholy that often appeared as a curveball in a song. Gene wore his emotions openly on his sleeve. Manager Jim Dickson once commented of Gene, He had changed girlfriends a few times and every time he broke up hed get a good song out of it and every time hed get a new girlfriend there would be a good song and a lot of junk in between. Genes brother Rick Clark recalled, Somebody interviewed Gene once and asked him, How come a lot of your songs are so sad and about so much pain and heartbreak? and Gene told him, Well, when youre happy you dont sit down and write songs. Youre too busy enjoying being happy. Its when you are alone and in that deepest darkest place, all that has to be released in some way. And even though it was heartbreaking and very emotional he created some of his most beautiful songs and work through expressing those feelings. Gene was one of the people who couldnt sit down and discuss what he felt inside with most people. When you listen to Genes songs, whether from the Byrds or later, there is a deep emotional stream that runs through them. For someone who was not well educated or well read, Gene could express feelings in a way few others could. According to Chris Hillman, It wasnt that he decided to go out and read novels or anything every day. He never read a thing. He just grew as a writer. He was so prolific. It just came to him. He would just write and write and write. And he would show Mike and I the songs first. Hed have written five songs in a week and three of them would be great. Thats pretty good odds. He would come out with these most poetic phrases. He had always had this same sort of odd melodic pattern that would always include a couple of minor chords and he would always fit right into that place. But I dont think there was any epiphany when he suddenly changed into this deep substance. I think it was from just doing it. He was listening to Dylan, too, and started searching for better ways to express some things.
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permalink #96 of 189: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sat 30 Apr 05 12:03
permalink #96 of 189: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sat 30 Apr 05 12:03
Crosby once told me that when he heard Dylan's phrase "to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free," he knew the ante for lyrics had been upped for good. John, could you please talk a bit about Gene's time in Mendocino, which was such a prolific period for him?
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permalink #97 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Sat 30 Apr 05 12:39
permalink #97 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Sat 30 Apr 05 12:39
By the late summer of 1969 as the Dillard & Clark Expedition was running out of steam, Gene tired of the Hollywood lifestyle and began taking excursions in his Porsche up the California coast in search of solitude, a rural retreat akin to his childhood years in Kansas. He found what he was searching for in Little River, a remote yet picturesque spot on the Northern California coast (north of San Francisco around Albion), three miles south of Mendocino and bordering Van Damme State Park. Captivated by the tiny seaside community and its casual pace, Gene booked a room at the nearby Lazy Eye Motel and stayed for several days before returning to Los Angeles. But he came back a few weeks later to rent a cabin across from the Andiron Lodge where he began writing a body of songs that represented a more basic approach to his musejust acoustic guitar and voice. These songs would become the basis of his 1971 White Light album. Clearly the pastoral lifestyle of the community appealed to him. After meeting Carlie McCummings back in LA, Gene brought her up to Little River where they soon set up housekeeping and were married in June 1970. Before Gene met me he used to go up there and write, states Carlie. Hed just get a hotel room there on the ocean and write music. Hed never taken anybody there, he said, but when he found the girl he wanted to be with he would take her there. So off we went. We had this caravan with Genes Porsche, my Ford Cortina, and English Roger in the U-Haul and the three of us drove to Mendocino. Nearby friends Philip and Ea OLeno brought Gene into the Albion/Mendocino community. As Philip recalls, We played cards quite a lot. There was no rock star stuff with us. Part of the attraction was the fact that we werent in the business and he could just relax, but we understood what he was talking about. Every day when I would get done at my workshop they would come by and get us and wed go out to the bars. He had his reputation, but in the community he was just Gene. He had strong country roots and it was his way of getting back to the land. He was more than a country boy at heart, although he was sophisticated. Acquaintances recall Gene being very comfortable in Albion, no pretences. Just a regular guy. After the birth of first son Kelly in Los Angeles, Gene and Carlie purchased an old coach house and surrounding woods on Middle Ridge Road in Albion not far from Philip and Ea (later other LA musicians would make the migration northward to the Mendocino/Albion/Comptche area in what became known as the LA Getaway). This would be the setting for Genes return to country music with a more philosophical bent that embodied the Roadmaster album. He was living the rural life. As Carlie recalled, The place we had was just a magic place. It was right on the end of the ridge so in summer the fog would come in on both sides of you like these billowing clouds. At night we could lay in bed and we could see the ships going up to Seattle out on the horizon. It was idyllic. And Gene was like a little boy. We were totally innocent, living this reality that was ours. We were living the good life and werent selling out. I used to cook on a woodstove and it took an hour and a half just to make coffee! He loved that part of it. And for a while it looked like it was going to work, this back-to-the-land thing. The Roadmaster sessions ended abruptly before completion and Gene found himself in the much ballyhooed Byrds reunion in 1972. He emerged from that with a new recording contract with David Geffens Asylum Records and set about writing a new body of songs. Borrowing Mendocino friend Andy Kandaness cottage right on the coast near the lighthouse, Gene spent his days there composing songs drawn from both his own reflections on life and the philosophical readings of friend Philip OLeno. Im a great reader and I study and Gene depended on me for some of that, states Philip. He would ask me what I read about. We wouldnt get into conversations about it, but he would understand it. I would lend him books, but he wouldnt read them. He had a kind of moral and ethical viewpoint that wasnt spiritual or religious or anything like that, but he had a sense of right and wrong and he stuck pretty much close to that. Reality was very important to Gene, getting through the bullshit and down to what is meaningful, what is the truth. He was no abstract philosopher, but he wanted to get at the truth of things. To me it seemed as if he had an old soul, an innate wisdom beyond his being. The songs, borne from this contemplative environment, became the No Other album, often regarded as Gene's masterpiece, released in 1974. By 1976 Gene and Carlie were fighting frequently. Having to go out on the road again to earn a living with a wife, two children and a mortgage, he was becoming crazed again and she soon fled with the boys to Hawaii. Broken hearted Gene composed a slate of new songs that offered his take on the end of the marriage. These became the Two Sides To Every Story album released the following year. So his 7 years up in Mendocino had a profound impact on Gene personally and in terms of his music. Friends and family insist it was the happiest time in his life, those first few years anyway, and he was able to shed the rock star persona and be himself. As son Kai maintains, all his Dad ever really wanted to do was be a regular guy. In Mendocino he could be. Dad was into that lifestyle. He was definitely a mountain man in the old west. I kind of see my dad then with a smile on his face. I think he rebuilt the whole foundation of the house and I think he loved using his hands and getting his hands in the dirt. They cooked over a woodstove and had a well for water. My dad was fascinated with history and the old west and living off the land. There are still people who live that way in Mendocino. As if time stood still. My father was probably recognized everywhere he went in L.A. But in Mendocino, it was such a small place even if they did recognize you, they probably knew who you were, but it wasnt a big deal. Theres that guy from L.A. He loved it there. I have special memories of that farm. We loved it dearly. As I mentioned earlier, few people ever knew or have written about that time in Gene's life yet it's so pivotal.
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permalink #98 of 189: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sat 30 Apr 05 13:05
permalink #98 of 189: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sat 30 Apr 05 13:05
Ah, that's fascinating. It's still beautiful up there. Last time I visited, cell phones wouldn't work there, which made me respect the town even more. :) The rock-star stuff must get incredibly draining. I once took a walk through Provincetown in Massachusetts with Crosby, and every fifth person or so made a statement of some sort to him as we passed. Most of what people said was really beautiful -- along the lines of what our waitress in an Italian restaurant told us, that she had lost her virginity to "Guinnevere" -- one guy asked Croz if he was Stephen Stills -- but how discombobulating to not have any personal space when you just want to take a walk down the block. I'm glad Gene found peace there for a while.
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permalink #99 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Sat 30 Apr 05 13:13
permalink #99 of 189: John Einarson (johneinarson) Sat 30 Apr 05 13:13
I think that had Gene not needed to go back out on the road, which always drove him crazy, and his marriage stayed together he very well might still be up there in Albion alive and well today.
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permalink #100 of 189: from GENE HARROLD (tnf) Sat 30 Apr 05 22:14
permalink #100 of 189: from GENE HARROLD (tnf) Sat 30 Apr 05 22:14
Gene Harrold writes: Hi John, Were there any Gene songs that were worked up during the Preflyte sessions such as 'The Reason Why' or You Showed Me' that were tried during the sessions for either Mr. Tambourine Man or Turn Turn Turn?? Thanks! Gene Harrold
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