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permalink #76 of 143: David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 30 Dec 05 10:31
permalink #76 of 143: David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 30 Dec 05 10:31
Right! That's a good thing. And I will definitely keep in touch with this topic.
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permalink #77 of 143: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Dec 05 11:43
permalink #77 of 143: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Dec 05 11:43
Talk to us of FENNARIO. It's the title of an old folk song, also known as "Pretty Peggy-O," but it is also a locale mentioned in the original song "Dire Wolf."
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permalink #78 of 143: Steve Bjerklie (stevebj) Fri 30 Dec 05 11:47
permalink #78 of 143: Steve Bjerklie (stevebj) Fri 30 Dec 05 11:47
Back when the band would play four or five nights at Winterland between Christmas and New Year's, I'd always try to make at least one of the shows. Never NYE, though, because that night always felt to me, like, well, too much hoopla, too little music. On a night like Dec. 28 or 29, the band seemed to me more focused on constructing an interesting set list and stretching out in unusual directions. In any case, these several-nights-in-a-row stands reminded me of the great old years when jazz greats like Miles and Duke and Count and 'Trane would set up camp in a club like the Blackhawk for a week or two and really get down to business. I miss them terribly, just as I miss the four-day runs that were the norm on the Fillmore schedule back in the day. The institution of the one-night stand has really altered rock and jazz, I think, and not at all for the better. Over at Yoshi's jazz players still come and play extended gigs. And there is the once-in-a-blue-moon occasion of someone like Tom Petty playing an extended run at the Fillmore. But it's not like it was forty years ago, when there were several jazz clubs in San Francisco and both the Fillmore and Avalon hosted rock bands for multple-night runs. Slip of Fennario David
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permalink #79 of 143: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Dec 05 12:04
permalink #79 of 143: David Gans (tnf) Fri 30 Dec 05 12:04
It was axiomatic that New Year's Eve would be an anticlimax, although there have been a few exceptions - or maybe I should say that the recordings tend to put the line to the notion that the NYE shows were bad. The night before New Year's Eve was usually good, and I know dozens of Deadheads whose lives were changed on December 29, 1977. That really was a peak performance.
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permalink #80 of 143: Steve Bjerklie (stevebj) Fri 30 Dec 05 12:44
permalink #80 of 143: Steve Bjerklie (stevebj) Fri 30 Dec 05 12:44
The music on NYE was often pretty good, even terrific. It was just all the other stuff going on that was, for me anyway, distracting. I liked listening to the live Dead the way I loved listening to the Ellington and Basie bands live: it was all about the music, nothing but. Everything else surrounding the band and/or the band's performance on certain nights meant little to me. I just wanted to hear the boys really listen to each other and play. All the rest could be enjoyed by someone else (and was, of course), as far as I cared. That's why the non-NYE shows in December interested me most.
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permalink #81 of 143: searchlight casting (jstrahl) Fri 30 Dec 05 14:07
permalink #81 of 143: searchlight casting (jstrahl) Fri 30 Dec 05 14:07
My one NYE, '72-3, wasn't bad, in fact there were several excellent passages, and it was the first time i took a ..bus ride to the show:-),but the guy climing down from the ceiling and hanging right over the stage, who then had a verbal fight with Bill Graham, put a strange twist on it, i think that's a big reason i never went to NYE again.
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permalink #82 of 143: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 30 Dec 05 14:21
permalink #82 of 143: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 30 Dec 05 14:21
My experience and esthetic were very close to Steve's--no doubt we locked eyes once or twice over the years in this last week of December. The other thing about NYE is that tickets were never available...
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permalink #83 of 143: Jeff Loomis (jal) Sat 31 Dec 05 01:02
permalink #83 of 143: Jeff Loomis (jal) Sat 31 Dec 05 01:02
I used to call Fenario "Peggy-O" until I found out the band called the song 'Fenario'.
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permalink #84 of 143: from BILL NAY (tnf) Sat 31 Dec 05 15:47
permalink #84 of 143: from BILL NAY (tnf) Sat 31 Dec 05 15:47
Bill Nay writes: > I have always been a Grateful Dead fan, but from a distance. Your book has > brought them up close. I was enjoying skipping about in the book so I > decided to find copies of your earlier books. They were not easy to find. > It appears those that bought them are not willing to part with them, espe- > cially the 1997 book! I did find them both and am looking forward to > spending 2006 coming out of the closet.
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permalink #85 of 143: gazornblat (dwaite) Mon 2 Jan 06 19:20
permalink #85 of 143: gazornblat (dwaite) Mon 2 Jan 06 19:20
Here is one for you David - but I think I already know the answer... I was hoping that you might have placed "Monkey and the Engineer" in your book - but alas, it's not there. Would you care to share your thoughts/reasonings? And While I'm groving the annotations - Your misheard lyric for Hell in a bucket had me laughing out loud... "Police on a Joyride" indeed!!!
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permalink #86 of 143: John Ross (johnross) Tue 3 Jan 06 09:37
permalink #86 of 143: John Ross (johnross) Tue 3 Jan 06 09:37
I don't know the GD version, but "The Monkey and the Engineer" was written by "Lone Cat" Jesse Fuller, who lived and performed in Oakland for many years before his death in 1976. His best-known song was "San Francisco Bay Blues," which was a required part of the repertoire for guitar-and-banjo trios in matching striped shirts.
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permalink #87 of 143: David Gans (tnf) Tue 3 Jan 06 10:33
permalink #87 of 143: David Gans (tnf) Tue 3 Jan 06 10:33
Bobby Weir actually took some lessons from The Lone Cat, if I recall correctly, and there are some concert recordings in which Bob introduces the song by describing the Fotdella, etc.
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permalink #88 of 143: John P. McAlpin (john-p-mcalpin) Tue 3 Jan 06 11:19
permalink #88 of 143: John P. McAlpin (john-p-mcalpin) Tue 3 Jan 06 11:19
What? It's not really called "Peggy-O"? I knew there were variants of the name but I thought that was the settled GD version, at least as far as publishing rights. Slipped by <tnf> with some Jesse Fuller details.
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permalink #89 of 143: searchlight casting (jstrahl) Tue 3 Jan 06 12:33
permalink #89 of 143: searchlight casting (jstrahl) Tue 3 Jan 06 12:33
I thought so too, re what titles on Dick's Picks say, for example (eg 5/19/77) Fuller of course also responsible for BIODTL. "Peace, love, and joy and the rock" was another interpretation of Bucket lyric.
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permalink #90 of 143: David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 4 Jan 06 11:56
permalink #90 of 143: David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 4 Jan 06 11:56
I had a whole section for the book with compiled mis-hearings, some of which were truly wonderful, but we scotched it at the second draft or so, partially for space reasons, partially for reasons of dignity and what Alan Trist called "weight." I liked that. But I managed to leave a few in as specific annotations. "Monkey and the Engineer" just didn't make the very tight cut we had for including non-original numbers. We decided early on to include only those covers that seemed more like Grateful Dead songs in some ways than songs by their original artists. "Morning Dew." "Me and My Uncle." "Not Fade Away"--well, of course, that's highly debatable, but it is truly an emblematic GD song. "Lovelight." Again, debatable, but necessary to have. And Alan really wanted "Beat It On Down the Line," so we do have that Jesse Fuller aspect included. Does that make sense?
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permalink #91 of 143: John P. McAlpin (john-p-mcalpin) Wed 4 Jan 06 15:07
permalink #91 of 143: John P. McAlpin (john-p-mcalpin) Wed 4 Jan 06 15:07
Very good points, David. A online depository of misheard lines would be great. So would really misinterpreted lyrics.
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permalink #92 of 143: Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Wed 4 Jan 06 16:38
permalink #92 of 143: Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Wed 4 Jan 06 16:38
Called mondegreens, I believe.
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permalink #93 of 143: searchlight casting (jstrahl) Thu 5 Jan 06 13:15
permalink #93 of 143: searchlight casting (jstrahl) Thu 5 Jan 06 13:15
I have a bunch of those, including several personal ones, but would rather wait till a depository is formalized.
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permalink #94 of 143: David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 5 Jan 06 13:39
permalink #94 of 143: David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 5 Jan 06 13:39
And I would say I will now formalize said depository, but my ftp access to my own website has been non-functional for over a month, hence no recent updates to the site. I'm sure it will be worked out in the near future, at which point I'll create a space for the mondegreens!
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permalink #95 of 143: Christian Crumlish (xian) Thu 5 Jan 06 15:18
permalink #95 of 143: Christian Crumlish (xian) Thu 5 Jan 06 15:18
maybe work out a deal with Scot Hacker of the Archive of Misheard Lyrics (http://kissthisguy.com/) to clone his database and interface?
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permalink #96 of 143: gazornblat (dwaite) Thu 5 Jan 06 20:27
permalink #96 of 143: gazornblat (dwaite) Thu 5 Jan 06 20:27
Yes - David it does make sense - weight an all. I'm glad you left a few mondegreens in there... This book is really a fun read.
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permalink #97 of 143: David Dodd (ddodd) Sun 8 Jan 06 20:26
permalink #97 of 143: David Dodd (ddodd) Sun 8 Jan 06 20:26
Returning to the wonderful topic of Jim Carpenter, the book's illustrator, for a moment. Take a look at the page for The Coolest T-Shirt YOu Can Buy Online at http://www.horizonscreenprint.com/buy_deadguy.html. It features the book's cover, and several illustrations from the book's interior on the back of the shirt. Great fun!
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permalink #98 of 143: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Sun 8 Jan 06 21:06
permalink #98 of 143: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Sun 8 Jan 06 21:06
Nice shirt! I ordered one for my brother.
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permalink #99 of 143: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Mon 9 Jan 06 08:38
permalink #99 of 143: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Mon 9 Jan 06 08:38
It's funny, but I noticed the shoes as I poured my eyes over the image. That ghost understands the importance of comfortable shoes.
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permalink #100 of 143: David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 20 Jan 06 11:02
permalink #100 of 143: David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 20 Jan 06 11:02
Another event for the book coming up, on Tuesday, January 31 at 7:30 pm at the Belvedere-Tiburon Library. See their website for directions, etc.: http://www.bel-tib-lib.org/.
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