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permalink #76 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 11:32
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>>So what're your cousin and her husband (or perhaps ex-husband) up to now? How did their embrace of the hippie ethos in 1971 influence the rest of their lives up to now? My cousin, in college had Ted Bundy as a lab partner in a psychology class. He had a thing for long brown-haired women, not blondes, so maybe she was spared. After college she went to Italy and studied Montessori. She is still a Montessori teacher in the Northwest. Her husband, who she divorced in her mid-twenties, went on to do social work for the State.
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permalink #77 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 11:47
permalink #77 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 11:47
>> from Gary Burnett: I'm interested in some of the stylistic aspects of some of these books-- when I first read things like Trout Fishing In America (which always seemed like the quintessential hippie book to me) and Slaughterhouse Five as a teenager (I'm the same age as you, Scott, born in 1955), it wasn't just the content that spoke to me as a hippie wannabe, but the way they were written -- jumps in continuity, multiple narratives intersecting with each other, etc. I'd be interested in seeing some comments about these kinds of things: is there a hippie narrative "style" that distinguishes these books from non-hippie books of the same period? Certainly in the San Francisco music scene of the time there are hallmark stylistic elements such as a particular approach to song structure and improvisation that make that music distinct. Welcome, Gary. I called my publisher and the log shows the book being sent out to you on 4/3/07. And, yes, The Hippie Narrative is as much about the literary evolution of the period-- a bridge between late modernism and postmodernism-- as it is about the cultural phenomenon that was unfolding. And, yes, Trout Fishing and Slaughterhouse-Five are the two best examples in The Hippie Narrative of this literary experimentation with structure that came to be so favored by the poststructuralists. However, like the folk revival movement and its yearning for authenticity, at the same time this literary innovation was taking place, The New Journalism, as described by Tom Wolfe in the book of the same name, was adopting the literary techniques of social realism. This is what Wolfe said gave the New Journalism its "electricity", an electricity that was being abandoned in the experimental novels. Maybe this is not unlike the eclectic nature of The Dead, where they can go from the wildest amplified space-noodling to the most soulful blues song or C/W ballad in the same set. When you read The Hippie Narrative, I trust you will have more to discuss on this "long, strange trip" between the late and the post. This narrative transition, filled by the countercultural canon, puts the evolution into a fresh context, I believe. Thanks for joining in, Gary.
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permalink #78 of 349: Tom Carr (tomcarr) Fri 6 Apr 07 14:28
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Scott, I read post #72 and realized I didn't know exactly what is meant by postmodernism so I skipped to your chapter 16 on Postmodernism Reconstructed. I got what you were saying on the first page but then stalled on this sentence on page 232: "To make this argument, the fundamental unit of meaning for the postructural deconstructivist is linguistic and derived from the signifier or sign that cannot be objectively delineated" Is there some easier way to say this? I continued reading the page and felt like I wasn't getting it. I then decided to look up Postmodernism on wikipedia. I read part of the article and remained confused and found myself becoming exhausted. Is trying to understand postmodernism in an hour kind of like trying to learn calculus in an afternoon, or do I have some mental block, or am I just not looking at it in the right way? In any event, I think I will skip Postmodernism for now. I agree with most of the rest of what you said in post #72.
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permalink #79 of 349: Tom Carr (tomcarr) Fri 6 Apr 07 14:30
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#73 gave me a big belly laugh
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permalink #80 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 15:10
permalink #80 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 15:10
Hi Tom, You're not alone in getting lost in the discursiveness of postmodern literary theory. On page 12 of The Hippie Narrative, I give a definition straight from the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Literary Terms. Aristotle in "Poetics" outlines speaker/audience/subject to understand drama, which later literary theory shifted into text/reader/author. Postmodern literary theory is able to deconstruct or break apart any text, but, what do they miss by discounting the inherently constructivist role of the author? Postmodern theorist, Ronald Barthes, argued at one point for the death of the author. My approach to The Hippie Narrative is more neo-Aristotelian because I am looking at all these texts in terms of how they were constructed by the author, how the author/text/reader dynamic is integrated, rather than with an analysis that simply deconstructs the text. I am not trying to disprove postmodern literary theory, but am simply using a different lense to discuss these works. Coming out of an MFA in creative writing fiction program, I learned to think like a writer. Also, in terms of literary history, this approach in The Hippie Narrative sheds an interesting light on how postmodernism arrived at its particular analytical niche including what are clearly its particular literary structural preferences.
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permalink #81 of 349: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Fri 6 Apr 07 18:58
permalink #81 of 349: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Fri 6 Apr 07 18:58
It sounds as though your creative writing studies have informed the way you approach literary criticism, Scott. Did you have any specific experiences in writing workshops or otherwise that influenced how you wrote The Hippie Narrative?
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permalink #82 of 349: Diane Shifrin (dshif) Fri 6 Apr 07 19:15
permalink #82 of 349: Diane Shifrin (dshif) Fri 6 Apr 07 19:15
'Sometimes a Great Notion' put on the reading list and I'm going to try to talk my bookclub into giving it a try. Scott, you really don't seem that fond of 'Been Down so Long..," -- I didn't see an overriding reason to include it. Definitely concur that reading like a writer is a different experience. It allows you to appreciate and analyze how books actually work (or don't). (I appreciate this perspective in 'The Hippie Narrative'.) Spoils you for bad writing though. It's like poison after your eyes are open. And some writers/readers don't care. That's fine. I only get upset when authors try to pass themselves off as literary when they don't have the chops.
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permalink #83 of 349: Diane Shifrin (dshif) Fri 6 Apr 07 19:19
permalink #83 of 349: Diane Shifrin (dshif) Fri 6 Apr 07 19:19
The Brautigan chapter made me take down an anthology I have here: "Revenge of the Lawn", (my personal favorite, because of the Library:) "The Abortion" and "So The Wind Won't Blow it All Away". Talented man. Tragic loss.
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permalink #84 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 20:23
permalink #84 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 20:23
Hi Cynthia. Some of this might also better clarify my approach for Tom. I took creative writing workshop courses almost straight through from 1999 to 2005 when I earned my MFA. It's a great way to gain feedback on stories in the process of being written, and it also teaches you how to critique other writing. The focus when workshopping is almost always on how well a story adheres to the elements of craft such as plot, conflict, character development, place/setting, voice, sensory details, and how well the writing sustains its momentum in relation to the dramatic whole of the piece. People like John Gardner in "The Art of Fiction" and Flannery O'Connor in "Mystery and Manners" articulate these concepts very well. In "The Hippie Narrative" I use this same "constructivist" approach. In other words, I looked at each of the works examined in my book in terms of how the author "built" the text, how the dynamic of each story was structured in relation to the dramatic whole. Interestingly, after I received my MFA, I stayed one extra semester in the program at Antioch University to study the pedagogy, or teaching,of creative writing. This provided a highly intensive introduction to the world of literary criticism, a world that has been dominated most recently by Postmodern deconstructivism. Without going into the discursiveness of the poststructural deconstructivist approach, I found that this emphasis on the play of signifiers and the de-emphasis on the role of the author in the process of creating text, to be completely foreign to the six years I had just spent in the creative writing workshop environment. However, when I sat down to write this book, I realized that the more experimental structural forms of narrative favored by the postmodernists had several seminal prototypes from the literature of the '60s. The juxtapositional brilliance of Richard Brautigan's "Trout Fishing in America" is one such example. In any event, this immersion into contemporary literary theory, always loomed on the horizon as I moved chronologically through an examination of the key works of the counterculture. Ultimately, I feel that the "constructivist" approach I used in my critique informed how we can view "deconstructivism." Interestingly, the hippie phenomenon itself also exhibited a transformation from a "deconstructivist" period to a more "constructivist" one when alternative lifestyle options were being heavily explored. My undergraduate background in the '70s was in anthropology and journalism, not English, so I also found myself differentiating between the advent of a "postmodern" culture that the hippies played a large role in fomenting, and this "postmodern" literary theory that offers a different way of approaching text than the way in which I choose to examine it. I found it very interesting that the prime early proponents of Poststructural deconstructivism-- Derrida and Foucault-- moved into the world of literary criticism after 1968 when the socialist student uprisings in Paris were quelled.
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permalink #85 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 20:55
permalink #85 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 20:55
Hi Diane and thanks for your continued reports as you work your way through the book. >>'Sometimes a Great Notion' put on the reading list and I'm going to try to talk my bookclub into giving it a try. Tell them to stick with it for the first hundred pages and give them the secret to its structure (making Hank give up), and I trust if they like rich literature, that they will be rewarded at the end. >> Scott, you really don't seem that fond of 'Been Down so Long..," -- I didn't see an overriding reason to include it. I did struggle with this. I think I included it for its cultural significance more than for its literary importance, though the juxtaposition of the Cuba scene with the campus protest was outstanding. The man was too ornately verbose for his own good, and I think he was trying too hard to cop a frenetic Beat style filled with an overload of hip allusions. There were some very strong passages, but if it didn't complement Pynchon's work so well as a depiction of the period just prior to everything breaking loose, then I would have omitted it. >>>Definitely concur that reading like a writer is a different experience. It allows you to appreciate and analyze how books actually work (or don't). (I appreciate this perspective in 'The Hippie Narrative'.) Thanks. >>Spoils you for bad writing though. It's like poison after your eyes are open. I remember Ron Carlson made exactly this same point. This is where Frank Gaspar's suggestion to remember to read "evangelically" comes into play. >> And some writers/readers don't care. That's fine. I only get upset when authors try to pass themselves off as literary when they don't have the chops. In a way this is not unlike the idea of someone being an "authentic hippie." What is it that makes a novel a work of literature that is more than simply its subjective appeal. Just as the "authentic hippie" lives his or her ethos, there are elements of craft, effectively executed, that "work" in the totality of the piece. This is not snobbish arrogance that elevates something to the status of literature, but several definitive criteria, many of which I explore through these works. Maybe, another benefit of Been Down So Long is in how it forced me to articulate its shortfalls and,in this backhanded way describe what an effective work of literature should do. If I compare The Hippie Narrative to the Beatle's "Yesterday and Today" album, then Been Down So Long is like Ringo singing "All You Gotta Do Is Act Naturally" after Paul gives us "Yesterday."
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permalink #86 of 349: Robyn Touchstone (r-touchstone) Fri 6 Apr 07 21:01
permalink #86 of 349: Robyn Touchstone (r-touchstone) Fri 6 Apr 07 21:01
Hex mentioned Childhood's End, which sparked me to consider the role of science fiction in hippie culture. Stranger in a Strange Land is not heavy on the sci-fi: for the sake of the plot conceit, Michael Valentine Smith could've been raised by some obscure legendary tribe like Tarzan or something just as well as having been raised by Martians: the important thing was that he was an outsider with advanced spiritual insight. What in that book, I hazard, the hippies responded to was the communal free-love & "Thou art God" message, none of which was essentially futuristic/scientific/extraterrestrial. Slaughterhouse Five, which Scott also wrote about, isn't your average sci-fi novel either, but there is that element of becoming "unstuck in time," which certainly might've resonated with the psychedelic experience of timelessness and disorientation from drug use (including flashbacks, such as Billy Pilgrim had--even though his was WWII PTSD). Scott, I can't recall--did you make that connection in your chapter? Are there other sci-fi novels that had an impact on hippies? I would imagine that the novels of Philip K. Dick, which often depict disorienting shifts in time, dimension, or reality, would have had a similar resonance, and Dick himself expeienced one of his visionary break-throughs while on lysergic acid. One of my professors who had been a hippie/acidhead told me that the popular program to watch when he was in college was the old Star Trek series. I've been told that Kubrick's 2001 was a favourite to view while tripping. My personal psychedelic experiences included visions of outer space (anybody else?), and some who have studied ayahuasca and sacred mushrooms (Gerardo Reichel-Dolmatoff, Terence McKenna, Jeremy Narby) have discussed these substances in connection with extraterrestrial intelligences. The hippie era was coeval with the 'Space Race,' which makes me curious about the hippie attitude toward space exploration--was it all directed only toward INNER space? Also, perhaps this query shouldn't be limited to sci-fi, but include fantasy literature in general, as several hippies whom I've known have mentioned Lord of the Rings as staple of the hippie library. Why is that?
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permalink #87 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 21:03
permalink #87 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 21:03
I agree, Diane. Brautigan did have a real gift for the juxtapositional narrative form. Too bad about the drinking.
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permalink #88 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 21:21
permalink #88 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 21:21
Hi Robyn. You make several interesting suppositions. I have to confess a bias of never having been a Sci-Fi fan. Vonnegut, frankly, is the closest I get, and his Sci-Fi, as you point out, transcends the genre. Consequently, I recommend that someone write Volume V, The Hippie Sci-Fi: An Inner-Terrestial Perspective on the Counterculture. >> there is that element of becoming "unstuck in time," which certainly might've resonated with the psychedelic experience of timelessness and disorientation from drug use (including flashbacks, such as Billy Pilgrim had--even though his was WWII PTSD). Scott, I can't recall--did you make that connection in your chapter? I don't make this direct comparison for Billy Pilgrim, though it is a good one, I think.
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permalink #89 of 349: Tom Carr (tomcarr) Fri 6 Apr 07 22:00
permalink #89 of 349: Tom Carr (tomcarr) Fri 6 Apr 07 22:00
-> Are there other sci-fi novels that had an impact on hippies? -> curious about the hippie attitude toward space exploration--was it -> all directed only toward INNER space? Those are hard questions. Remember there were thousands of hippies and each one was an individual with their own history of reading and thought. It is kind of like asking what is the negro attitude toward science fiction. Having said that, I will say that I read lots of science fiction and it had a big effect on me in my teens. It expanded my imagination tremendously. It was my great love. I think of all of that sci fi and then the psychedelics and then the eastern religion and mysticism as being a progression of expanding my imagination. I was very interested in space exploration and still am. It was more important then. Remember we had just landed a man on the moon and the whole country watched it on TV. That was true for me as one hippie. I think it was true for lots of others too, but we all would have either laughed or cringed if someone had asked us if hippies liked science fiction. Sorry I don't mean to pick on you for asking that question or the way you phrased it. I think the thing that seems off kilter here is the idea that a hippie was such a set type of person. Some liked science fiction and some didn't. I read lots of Ayn Rand in my early teens and was still thinking about her as a hippie. One of my best hippie friends was really into Hemingway and got me started and I eventually read all of Hemingway's stuff while I still would have been considered a hippie. So you could say some hippies were into Ayn Rand and Hemingway. Others weren't. I understand the thrust of your question. Just keep in mind we were a very diverse bunch.
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permalink #90 of 349: Tom Carr (tomcarr) Fri 6 Apr 07 22:02
permalink #90 of 349: Tom Carr (tomcarr) Fri 6 Apr 07 22:02
I want to talk more about science fiction tomorrow. I am tired now and headed for bed.
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permalink #91 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 22:39
permalink #91 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 22:39
I think the decision to limit The Hippie Narrative to those works that were written contemporaneous to the time period is to avoid exactly what you are saying, Tom. If we include "Walden's Pond," then should we include "The Hobbit" and what about "Doors of Perception" and "Childhood's End"? I do think there were commonalities in the types of books enjoyed by the hippies, but, for me, the question narrowed into which literary works produced DURING the time from 1962-1976 were genuine reflections of its Zeitgeist. Then, what is it about these works that is distinctive to this time? How does this canon fit into a broader continuum of literary history? As genuine cultural production, what do these works tell us about that culture--in this case the counterculture?
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permalink #92 of 349: Gail Williams (gail) Fri 6 Apr 07 22:50
permalink #92 of 349: Gail Williams (gail) Fri 6 Apr 07 22:50
Do you have thoughts on the relation of the narrative in underground comix to the literary mix of the time? Also -- speaking of fiction -- what about Carlos Castaneda?
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permalink #93 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 22:56
permalink #93 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 6 Apr 07 22:56
>>from Tom: the idea that a hippie was such a set type of person. That was/is the beauty of a hippie gathering such as the Rainbow Gathering or Burning Man. Within a shared ethos of peace and tolerance, the counterculture as a "culture" embodied a great range of diversity--diversity of spiritual belief, ways of dress, eating, music, partnering, expressiveness, etc. This certainly applied to literary interest, too. Yet, this said, it is also apropos to look for shared values, beliefs, practices that define what it was/is about a hippie (or counterculturalist) that sets him or her apart from the mainstream culture and what unifies this separate identity. Literature, when done well, allows the personal to become the universal. Divine Right/David Ray, in my estimation, was a consummate hippie character in literature. This is not to say that there wasn't a spectrum of hippie characters quite unlike D.R., but that this cat was very representative in the manner in which he engaged the larger culture and his own counterculture. Stereotyping is tricky turf, and so is cultural studies.
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permalink #94 of 349: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Sat 7 Apr 07 05:39
permalink #94 of 349: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Sat 7 Apr 07 05:39
Gail, I've been sitting here for twenty posts trying to remember that guy's name. thanks.
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permalink #95 of 349: Cupido, Ergo Denego (robertflink) Sat 7 Apr 07 07:17
permalink #95 of 349: Cupido, Ergo Denego (robertflink) Sat 7 Apr 07 07:17
>So you could say some hippies were into Ayn Rand and Hemingway. Others weren't.< This and other posts got me to wondering is one of the limiting aspects of the hippie or some other movements may be that of reaction to perceived existing culture and, thus, dependent on it. Ayn Rand is definitely a reaction. Not that reaction hasn't given us great things. More truly detaching may be exemplified by groups such as the Amish and other such, especially the long term durability while existing next to regular culture. Not very productive of exciting new arts etc. though.
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permalink #96 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Sat 7 Apr 07 07:44
permalink #96 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Sat 7 Apr 07 07:44
>>> from Gail : Do you have thoughts on the relation of the narrative in underground comix to the literary mix of the time? >> (and Sharon Lynne there pounding her brain): Also -- speaking of fiction -- what about Carlos Castaneda? I'm really glad you brought up these examples. This question of which books made the cut for The Hippie Narrative, brings back the whole process I went through simply to arrive at the focus of this book, which I've discussed, but which bears elaboration. We've talked about Been Down So Long as barely making the cut. There was also a novel by Don DeLillo, the highly respected postmodern author of White Noise, Libra, etc. that I eventually chose not to use. In the early '70s, he wrote a book called Great Jones Street about a disaffected, Bob Dylanish rock superstar holed up in his Manhattan loft. The book didn't work mainly because the main character was poorly rendered. This rock star, I felt, was not Dionysian enough. Obviously, Delillo is a fine literary writer, but this book was weak, weaker than Been Down So Long, in my estimation. There are also, a great many books "about" being hippie such as "Wild Child" about being the children of hippies, Paul Krassner's "Confessions of Being a Raving, Unconfined Nut," Wavy Gravy's "Something Good for a Change," or "Ringolevio" by Emmett Grogan. I went through a process that led me to focus on works I considered to be important works of literature. Though all were interesting, none of these were innovative, trendsetting works of prose, but simply interesting memoirs describing the era. I mention Carlos Castaneda's first book Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge (1968) in the opening of my chapter on Siddhartha. This is where I also menion Black Elk Speaks (1932), The Book of the Hopi (1963), Silent Spring (1962), Future Shock (1970), and The Greening of America (1970). All of these books were, undeniably, important to the changing ethos of the time. Siddhartha, however, I included for both its influence spiritually, and as a wonderful work of literature. (I think that deciding to focus on literature that warranted inclusion in a literary canon of the counterculture helped make The Hippie Narrative a more tenable project). Gail, it's very telling that you remember Castaneda's book as fiction. This was part of its controversy. Namely, Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge was written as the author's PhD dissertation in anthropology at UCLA. The veracity of Don Juan as a real shaman was later called into question. This called into question Castaneda's credibility as an anthropologist. Maybe he didn't care as he continued to write this series of top-selling, popular books. As I recall, Half of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge is composed from Castaneda's field notes, and half is narrative. The book certainly opened readers to new ways of "seeing," but as literature, I didn't find it particularly compelling. (Some of this, again, is subjective). More....
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permalink #97 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Sat 7 Apr 07 08:38
permalink #97 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Sat 7 Apr 07 08:38
>>> from Gail : Do you have thoughts on the relation of the narrative in underground comix to the literary mix of the time? When I was working on my critical paper, I actually wrote a short section about R Crumb. Comix provided a significant mode of narrative/visual expression during the hippie era. Again, the decision to narrow my focus into a "literary perspective" caused me to omit this. You can think of this as a DVD outcut of a Movie--with a cautionary note for those who think the '60s should not be oversimplified. Crumb's narrative "strips" the whole period into one comix. This is what I wrote: No comic book artist was more a part of the countercultural scene than R. Crumb. Even his exaggerated, "keep-on-trucking" style exhibited fragmented, imagistic forms honed during the Beat Movement coupled with the new found play-as-power whimsy of the burgeoning counterculture. Crumb was never afraid of self-deprecation as he routinely laughed at himself through his wacked-out narrative art. Even though broken up frame-by-comic-illustrated-frame, the seemingly disjointed narrative of R. Crumb offers an internal rhyme scheme, poetic rhythm and a satirical commentary on the counterculture of the late 60s in San Francisco. His work was often an example of how the culture of the youth movement echoed back to itself the wildness, exhilaration and dangers of rampant drug consumption. R. Crumb in 1982 even takes a reflective, autobiographical look at the 60s with his inimitable, dont blink, satirical wit in his comic strip titled, Nostalgia Department I Remember the Sixties, R. Crumb Looks Back": Is it a boy or is it a girl, Dont trust anyone over thirty an like that!, End the War, Pig, pig, pig, GrrrGrunt, Whats y badge number, Peace, Acid? Speed? Lids?/ Ah the Sixties! Ill never forget that wonderful wacky decade! Those were the days my friend, we thought theyd never end / I was still living in the real world, until one day in 1965 I took LSD. Thats when the Sixties really started for Mr. Bob Crumb!/ Yknow, for our fathers it was World War Two, The Big One for us it was LSD and other such mind-altering substances our dads tell war stories we tell LSD stories (guys who were in Nam tell both!)!!!/ Everything was different after that I took Dr. Tims advice: Turn on, tune in, drop out. I followed the herd of flower children out to San Francisco!/ Those were the days, eh? Women were chicks and still looked up to men for guidance and protection, but if you want to know the truth, I like the new woman much better/ I spent the so-called Summer of Love sitting on Haight Street / Sometimes I hung out with my friends up on Hippy Hill./ I was swept up in the general idealism of the time. I believed that we were creating a new world. People would love one another and be kind and have loose sex forever / I admit it, I too was obnoxious I too had contempt I too was brought back to reality by the new feminist line/ And how about that Revolution we were so sure was just around the corner/ But back then we wanted to break down all law n order. We hated all symbols of authority. Anything associated with our parents and their values was poison to us, and we expressed ourselves!/ But it couldnt last / The light-hearted days of the flower-children began to wain after the Summer of Love the low-lifes and the greedy were spreading bad vibes. The scene was getting too heavy for a lot of people gangs of outlaw bikers were taking over Haight Street / A scruffier brand of hippies began to appear their brand of hipness was offensive to the refined sensibilities of those from more upper class origins/ By 1969 a demon called paranoia stalked the Haight the drugs got harder and people were carrying guns it was a grim fuckin spectacle / It was about 1969 and 70 that the big wheel was spinning too fast and people started flying apart in all directions / the wave finally crashed on the beach/ I was a burn-out case for years All the LSD All the dope the craziness My mind was shot/ But hell, Im doing better than some other Sixties casualties some of them are still out there on Haight Street still doing all the drugs/ Some of them became hopeless religious fanatics of one cult or another everyone a space case / Others decided to cut out all this childish nonsense, dropped back in and knuckled down you see them now clawing their way to the top, making bucks hand over fist, buying hot tubs: Good natured slob who drinks too much: haw! Hey, member the time we all tried to go out n live in the woods ova deh? member, huh, do yuh? Huh? Do yuh?; Reformed hippie chick: Mmyeah heh, heh..but really, I cant decide whether to go with a money market fund or put my equity into more real estate interest rates being so damn high well, I must be off, dahling got to see my accountant and uh lets have lunch some / Still others scattered to the hills in a back-to-the-land movement, preserving intact the trappings of the hippy subculture, they took with them. Its not a bad life for a lot of these hippy-billies./ Yeah but who cares about the Sixties anymore, anyway? Its all ancient history by now this is 1982
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permalink #98 of 349: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sat 7 Apr 07 08:55
permalink #98 of 349: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sat 7 Apr 07 08:55
What a wonderful discussion! Catching up a bit -- Scott, you're quite right that Kesey was not a Beat writer. That's just a misconception spread by latter-day hippies who would also consider Hunter S. Thompson and Charles Bukowski Beat writers! You may as well call Coltrane a "bebop musician." (For what it's worth, Ginsberg didn't even consider *Ferlinghetti* a Beat writer.) Re: Heinlein -- both David Crosby and Paul Kantner have talked to me at length about how influential _Stranger in a Strange Land_ was on their early ideas about communal living, open relationships, and so on. (Maybe David Freiberg <freemountain> could chime in here, since he lived in those early proto-communes with those guys.) In a way, hippie = beat + science fiction. :)
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permalink #99 of 349: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Sat 7 Apr 07 09:20
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permalink #100 of 349: Tom Carr (tomcarr) Sat 7 Apr 07 09:22
permalink #100 of 349: Tom Carr (tomcarr) Sat 7 Apr 07 09:22
I guess it shows from some of my posts that I am uncomfortable with the word "hippie". I think of it as a label for too big a group. However that is probably true of words in general. In the poetry conference we were talking about the definition of the word "poem". Just where do you the draw the line and say this is or is not poetry or prose. Someone posted the following which I really like: "The proper meaning of a word (I speak not of technical terms, which kindly godparents furnish soon after birth with neat and tidy defintions, but of words in a living language) is never something upon which the word sits perched like a gull on a stone; it is something over which the word hovers like a gull over a ship's stern. Trying to fix the proper meaning in our minds is like coaxing the gull to settle in the rigging, with the rule that the gull must be alive when it settles; one must not shoot it and tie it there." - R.G. Collingwood, The Principles of Art
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