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permalink #76 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Thu 19 Apr 07 21:13
permalink #76 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Thu 19 Apr 07 21:13
There's an amazing young jazz drummer in the East Bay named Jason Levis who went to Naropa some years ago. He seems to play a few nights a week in various contexts, from free jazz to through-composed percussion pieces to space reggae. He's that best kind of drummer, like you Adam: an elegant animal.
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permalink #77 of 205: Gabriel Leis (gummyazul) Thu 19 Apr 07 21:59
permalink #77 of 205: Gabriel Leis (gummyazul) Thu 19 Apr 07 21:59
You can't talk about how you would reshape the music industry without also considering how you would reshape society and the current models of meaning as a whole. Sure there is some throat shoving going on, but as well as creating their market through such tactics, they are supplying a seemingly ignorant public with a product that matches their intellect. Let's talk about re-prioritizing education, moving back toward true community with shared goals and responsibilities (the end of car culture?), and the glamorization of kindness instead of greed, and see how that affects the musical tastes of the public a generation down the road. Such subjects really make me sad for the recent loss of Arthur Magazine. The amazing perspectives and challenging ideas, as well as the best of current music and art and culture. I feel like I've lost a good friend. A few picks from the current rotation... Midlake's "Van Occupanther" is a gem. A lyrical time machine to another time and place. Grizzly Bear's "Yellow House" has so many good ideas I feel musically intimidated. Elliot Smith's swan song "From a Basement on the Hill" closes the book on the junkie experience with such sweet beauty and poignancy. One of our generations greatest artistic losses. Broken Social Scene's self titled 3rd LP is catharsis in a candy jar of musical ideas. More challenging than their breakthrough "You Forgot it in People", the discovery of it's genius becomes all the more meaningful.
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permalink #78 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Thu 19 Apr 07 22:12
permalink #78 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Thu 19 Apr 07 22:12
Excellent. I can't wait to hear this stuff.
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permalink #79 of 205: Brett Chulada (brett-chulada) Thu 19 Apr 07 22:19
permalink #79 of 205: Brett Chulada (brett-chulada) Thu 19 Apr 07 22:19
a long time ago my college band 'immersed' played our first show in sf at the cocadrie(now closed). the band that played after us was called 'the wave'. i'd find out much later that the guitar player and bass player we're the two songwriters in BRMC. they had to be still in high school back then. they pissed off the sound guy by asking for mega-reverb and playing 15 minute verve-esque jams. they've come a long way, no doubt. for my money, BRMC is the best rock and roll band going. those guys kick out the rock and have a very strong social-consciousness in their lyrics. they're are certainly champions of personal revolution from what i've gleamed from their words and interviews. they released 'take them on, on your own' on a major label and had to fight to be released from their contract. they were never given the support they needed. maybe because the major labels are afraid of challenging anything at all. it seems, though, the landscape of the industry is changing. the technological revolution has put the tools of creating music in the hands of anyone who wants to do it. this is a great thing! on the side, i hope everyone participating in this will be present at the WELL party this saturday. it's hard to have a proper view of what TLXN is about without seeing us perform. our most recent recording was done a year and a half ago! things have evolved and i hope it will give us more to talk about.
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permalink #80 of 205: Brett Chulada (brett-chulada) Thu 19 Apr 07 22:26
permalink #80 of 205: Brett Chulada (brett-chulada) Thu 19 Apr 07 22:26
gabriel is absolutly correct about the elliot smith album. nothing sums up the whole of the heroin experience like 'from a basement on a hill'. R.I.P. -he knew what he was doing, you can hear it.
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permalink #81 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 07:06
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permalink #82 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 20 Apr 07 07:31
permalink #82 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 20 Apr 07 07:31
Yeah, I've been meaning to check out BRMC for a while. Thanks.
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permalink #83 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 07:45
permalink #83 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 07:45
Where's today's Country Joe? He had a not-the-least-bit-subtle revolution of attitude. Here's Joe today, maybe: The Baghdad Rag Come on every boy and girl Your countrys caught up in a swirl We need you to help us fill the tank So you can drive it along the Tigris bank So sign up your life, unplug your -pod Youre tradin oil for blood. And its a, b, c, What are we there to free? Dont ask me, cuz dude its bad, Down yonder in old Baghdad. And its e, f, g, On the tower of Babylon, Youll be climbin a stairway above the attack, Goin to heaven in Iraq.
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permalink #84 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 07:54
permalink #84 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 07:54
Classic. I think today's Country Joe is alive on Neil Young's "Living With War," which was one of my favorite albums of last year. "Don't need to stinking war" indeed.
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permalink #85 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 20 Apr 07 08:08
permalink #85 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 20 Apr 07 08:08
That's hilarious, Scott. But about the absence of "relevant" music these days, I'm going to (unexpectedly) play the devil's advocate. Poet Robert Bly, who once edited an anthology of poems against the Vietnam war, remarked that the problem with a lot of poetry written to address contemporary issues was that, while its heart was in the right place, it sucked as poetry: Bly called these poems "more wooden nickels for peace." I have to agree with him. You have to rewrite Country Joe's tune to make it relevant; otherwise it's just a dated period piece. Dylan's "Masters of War" is not dated -- where's THAT kind of protest music now? But there's some pretty good stuff out there by people younger than hoary old Neil Young. Pink's "Dear Mr. President," for instance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eDJ3cuXKV4
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permalink #86 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:06
permalink #86 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:06
The Black Angels have a lot of great stuff on their "passover" album (2006) that protests war without referencing popular culture, but none of it is nearly as deep and articulate as "masters of war." However, one of the best protest songs I've heard in my life is a song from that album called "First Vietnamese War." Chiggity check it out ASAP on iTunes or myspace or whatever.
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permalink #87 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:13
permalink #87 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:13
Guys, deep in your secret heart of hearts, what's the hardest thing about being a musician?
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permalink #88 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:28
permalink #88 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:28
>>> -- where's THAT kind of protest music now? Exactly! Where is today's compelling protest music (other than some Rap)? [And trust me, no one ever paid to hear me sing or play, so in a spontaneous-woke-up-this-morning-thinking-about-this-question, I resorted the spoof]. I agree that to have the same impact as The-Fixin'-To-Die-Rag, a contemporary songwriter would have to come up with something fresh. Actually, it might take a renewed selective service draft to rekindle the old spirit of Country Joe & the Fish.
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permalink #89 of 205: "The Best for Your Health!" (rik) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:31
permalink #89 of 205: "The Best for Your Health!" (rik) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:31
"Fixin' to Die" has been a bit problematic for Joe. He lifted the melody for an old Kid Ory tune, and Ory's daughter sued and won.
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permalink #90 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:52
permalink #90 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 15:52
Steve, thanks for the link to "Dear Mr. President." Powerful, and I loved watching the reaction of the young crowd. [When I first read the title I half-expected a spoof: "Dear Mr. President, play us a tune, something to make us all happy"] So, then, if powerful songs are being penned (at least some), this brings us to the second part of the earlier questionwhat are the subtle forms of censorship in play keeping such a vibrant form of free speech from being heard? What are the best alternative ways to circumvent these obstacles? With You-Tube or My Space how do you keep powerful songs from getting lost in a sea of too much mediocrity?
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permalink #91 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 20 Apr 07 16:07
permalink #91 of 205: Steve Silberman (digaman) Fri 20 Apr 07 16:07
> what are the subtle forms of censorship in play keeping such a vibrant form of free speech from being heard? Here's a provocative notion: I believe one of the subtle forms of censorship in play is the stench of it's-been-done-ness that has surrounded public displays of social activism, or even earnestly taking a political position, since the '60s. It's the downside of a generation so strongly trademarking something as big as the desire to change the world.
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permalink #92 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 16:39
permalink #92 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 16:39
Gabriel? Brett? Where are ya? Don't make the mistake of leaving this one to the drummer. I think it's a choice. People with a lot of money who own a gigantic voice like MTV or Clear Channel Radio have a choice between bestowing great, important art (the best they can find) upon a massive number of human beings or instead selling that voice to the highest bidders. Powerful songs are getting lost in a sea of mediocrity because instead of playing the best music they can find, these stations will play whatever music is fed to them by a record company owned by one of their sponsors, or a record company owned by the corporation that owns their station. Yada yada. And the masses accept that music as the best out there, because it got on bigtime radio or MTV. They take what they're fed, and if we fed them the best music we could find, they'd take that too. I think MAYBE there was a time in the early 90's when mainstream radio and MTV were just playing what they thought was good, but that seems like an eternity ago now. Now they don't really even play music on MTV. I've had conversations with DJs at some of the biggest rock radio stations in America that say "I love The Love X Nowhere's music and would love to play it, but we don't even choose what to play here." They're fed a corporation-approved unchangeable playlist from Clear Channel and that's what they play each day. And don't even get me started on Wal-Mart (which I think might be the top music retailer in the country right now) telling the kids of today what to listen to. I'm of the opinion that countless legendary rock songs and legendary rock artists never would have made it today (never would've been heard by the masses) because they wouldn't have been given the chance. Anyway...for me, the hardest part of being a musician is the sad reality that in modern times it'll be possible but nearly impossible to advance to a stage where I won't have to work at anything else to support my addiction to playing the drums. And that's what I've wanted out of life since I was about five years old: to grow up to be able to say "I'm just a guy who plays the drums" like Bill Kreutzmann loves to say so much. I want to be on the road with people I like playing music for people who like it. And do nothing else except record an album from time to time. Pretty simple.
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permalink #93 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 16:42
permalink #93 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 16:42
Rik, that's interesting about "Fixin' to Die." I'm imagining Joe standing before some ultra-conservative judge trying to elicit sympathy for this particular song.
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permalink #94 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 17:11
permalink #94 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 17:11
By the way, did anyone catch John McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Iran" when asked what our Middle East policy should be?
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permalink #95 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 18:22
permalink #95 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 18:22
I like your earlier answer, Adam. I think you hit on some big factors as to why the spectrum of music available to hear is limited. I doubt if it was ever easy to make it in the music industry, but in the late '60s music was, far and away, the dominant medium for kids coming of age, and there was a time at the end of the decade where the record companies were pretty liberal about signing up bands. Also, rock defined the youth culture of the era, generated the mantras, affected attitudes, and was often an alternative way of communicating. Now there is so much more competition for everyone's attention (and money).
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permalink #96 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 19:45
permalink #96 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 19:45
>>> the stench of it's-been-done-ness that has surrounded public displays of social activism, or even earnestly taking a political position, since the '60s. I think there's some truth to this, especially in how the play-as-power brand of theatrical protest has lost its ability to shock or grab media attention. I also think that "the establishment," if you willnow controlled by many of those who came of age in the '60s has figured out how to better limit the information and control the impact of activists. Security is often used as a pretext to stifle dissent. For example, in 1969, Richard Nixon went out at dawn to the west lawn of the White House and started talking to some anti-war protesters who were sleeping on the lawn. Remembering how reviled Nixon was, this was surprising even for then, but can you imagine anyone today being allowed to sleep on the White House lawn? And, as for Bush, I keep thinking of the Saab-driving school teachers in the Midwest who were arrested near where Bush was going to speak because their bumper sticker read "Peace Now." >> It's the downside of a generation so strongly trademarking something as big as the desire to change the world. I would suggest that this generation did change the world, that the tension between the mainstream and counterculture resulted in a synthesis that was not what those on either side of the great permeable divide expected. The product is called postmodern society, a place that is at the same time more hip and more authoritarian than American society of the early '60s. I don't think that a we-can-change-the-world "trademarking" is responsible for a more jaded, resigned-to-the-system climate that we have today. Rather, I think that the fragmented, privatized mass society contributes toward the collective ennui that impedes most momentum toward hopeful change.
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permalink #97 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 20:24
permalink #97 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 20:24
The internet has a lot to do with privatizing modern society. Millions of people today are too concerned with changing their myspace profile to want to change the world. It's Generation Me. Roger Waters had a great line: "this species has amused itself to death." But I don't that means we don't care...maybe it's that we have too many options.
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permalink #98 of 205: Gary Lambert (almanac) Fri 20 Apr 07 20:52
permalink #98 of 205: Gary Lambert (almanac) Fri 20 Apr 07 20:52
The "amused itself to death" line did not originate with Roger Waters. He borrowed it from the educator and social critic Neil Postman, whose 1980s book "Amusing Ourselves To Death" is a well-known and much-debated critique of television's effect on public discourse.
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permalink #99 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 20:54
permalink #99 of 205: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 20 Apr 07 20:54
>> maybe it's that we have too many options. In 1970 Alvin Toffler wrote Future Shock and coined the term "information overload." The future is now.
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permalink #100 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 22:39
permalink #100 of 205: Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 20 Apr 07 22:39
Lambert comes to the rescue! Hey Gary, I know you spend a lot of time in NYC, but what are some of your favorite current SF bands?
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