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permalink #76 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Wed 20 Jun 07 12:17
permalink #76 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Wed 20 Jun 07 12:17
Back to Adam's earlier post and follow-ups for "when I listen to shows or watch a "View From the Vault," I'm amazed at how ossified the song sequences and song selection became." Context is important here. First, I don't disagree: I too find the View soundtracks less compelling than almost all the Dick Picks and many of the Vault shows, precisely because they come from the heyday of my own showgoing (and I remember those shows) and also because they're, well, kinda predictable. Fine moments, but ... Sidebar: minor digression before I launch, see Shenk's essay in Rebecca's book on how last-period Dead shows had a kind of set-list grammar that made the experience comprehensible; it's a cool adjunct to the lit when coupled with Garcia's and Danny Rifkin's interviews where they discuss how the pattern of a show, in this era we're discussing, pretty much formalized the arc of an acid test. So first thing's first: there was a structure, it was deliberate, and part of why they hung on to it was because it was effective: it delivered the goods, or provided a reasonably predictable platform where the x-factor could descend, and most of all, allowed them to do so in an era when five minutes over a deadline meant a staggering increase in fees assessed, or worse (such as one memorable bay area gig in the late eighties [?] when they went over by more than half an hour and tons of us were stuck in lovely Oakland with no way to get across the bay because BART had stopped running). Another point to be made is that no jazz fan would be making the same gripe. I think I'm remembering correctly when I say that neither Miles' nor Coltrane's bands had working repertoires anywhere near as varied and extensive as the Dead's. I recall a six-show run (three at Shoreline, three in Sacramento) circa 1990 where we saw 106 songs with no repeats. I also have to say: I wonder about the sheer effort and courage required to improvise in front of crowds that size. It's one thing to jam with an audience of 2,000 in front of you; it's a wholly different thing to try to do so in front of 30,000. I wonder to what extent part of the ossification we're bemoaning is also a very human response on the musicians' part to trying to create something of a ritual for them to try to hang on to as they attempt to do something which may well have been unique in modern musical history: to perform improvised music and attempt to never repeat themselves, night and after night, year and after year, for more than three decades.
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permalink #77 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Wed 20 Jun 07 12:20
permalink #77 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Wed 20 Jun 07 12:20
... back to Adam's comment in #60: "...they came out and played a second set that was nothing but an hour of group improvisation? What do you think the reaction would've been?" My hair would still be long and I would still be on tour, wondering where everyone else was ...
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permalink #78 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Wed 20 Jun 07 12:28
permalink #78 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Wed 20 Jun 07 12:28
[Still catching up ...] Xian's kind inquiry about my favorite footnote: Well, I have to say that as a historian, I love footnotes ... that's where we get to peer beneath the hood or flip over the breadboard and see how neatly someone wires and solders ... the footnotes in the intro are really metatext, and can be read as a kind of narrative in their own right. Lots of contextual stuff, etc. But my favorite footnote is the one I talked about in one of the earliest posts here, which is when I found the dictionary entry that Garcia found. There's something truly Deadheady-mystical about having to emulate that process, despite having had the huge head start that Grushkin provided by publishing the title page in Book of the Deadheads. It still took a LOT of hunting ... and lo and behold. I think the only thing that would please me almost as much would be to come up with the definitive answer of which single by which Warlocks Phil found in the record shop on Haight Street. Years ago I figured out that there was a better chance of this being the pre-ZZ Top guys' Warlocks out of Texas, which had a limited distribution arrangement that could have stocked a Haight Street record store, rather than the pre-Velvet Underground Warlocks. But there's room for more work there ...
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permalink #79 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Wed 20 Jun 07 12:34
permalink #79 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Wed 20 Jun 07 12:34
Thanks for the kind words, David D.! And to yours and Adam's posts about the Amherst conference: I'm truly glad to see that happen as well. It builds on the experience of an informal group of Dead scholars who have been meeting for ten years now at the Southwest/Texas American/Popular Culture Association's annual conference in Albuquerque. I encourage everyone reading this to come out - - and for those so incliined, consider giving a paper! We've been amazed at the degree to which a bunch of folks yakking about the Dead can actually tap into the groupmind, creating a kind of scholarly equivalent of the x-factor that really leaves folks with renewed energy, empathy, and furthered insights ...
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permalink #80 of 144: Adam Perry (adamice9) Wed 20 Jun 07 18:05
permalink #80 of 144: Adam Perry (adamice9) Wed 20 Jun 07 18:05
<<<<It's one thing to jam with an audience of 2,000 in front of you; it's a wholly different thing to try to do so in front of 30,000 >>> Not to beat a dead horse (np pun intended) but Phish did an hour-long set of complete improvisation in Limestone, ME in 1998 in front of 70,000 people. And did the same thing in the same place in 2003, which I was lucky enough to see in person, although that hour-long improvisation was performed on top of a 100-ft (or was it 200ft?) control tower. Pulling something like that off takes balls, selflessness, comfort and interest and respect in all the players you're sharing the stage with, and practice. I'm not sure how many of those traits, if any, the Grateful Dead had (or if so, how often they had those traits) in the last...I dunno...25 years they were a band. The "Dark Star" from Miami '89 certainly showed them possessing and caressing all those traits. All I'm saying is that if I'd been following the Grateful Dead in their latter days I would've been turned off by the ossification...and would've argued that I don't want my trips to be structured. But again, that's just my taste. Some people went to the bathroom during "space" and would've argued that they didn't want their trips to include entire sets of "space." Oh, and Nick...have you heard of the current Warlocks band, out of Los Angeles? Their "Phoenix" album is one of my favorite records of the past few years. Great stuff.
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permalink #81 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Thu 21 Jun 07 06:00
permalink #81 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Thu 21 Jun 07 06:00
Yup, that's a cool set; they get points for having done so. But there are many reasons not to compare the two bands, and I don't really think we get anywhere in doing so; different animals. I look forward to an academic book a la AGI on Phish. I'll check out the Warlocks ...
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permalink #82 of 144: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 21 Jun 07 07:07
permalink #82 of 144: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 21 Jun 07 07:07
Flipping back a few to one of Adam's points, I have no doubt making money was an objective, and not just in the big show (or mega-Dead) era. Check out Bob Weir's comments on free music on the train after the 1970 Toronto gig in the Festival Express movie. However, I don't think that it was ever the primary objective. Money was a tool to enable pursuit of the primary objective, to make music. If you look at the edges closely enough, of course, they disappear.
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permalink #83 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Thu 21 Jun 07 08:09
permalink #83 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Thu 21 Jun 07 08:09
Well said, Robin. Money was a central concern in the first decade of the band's career simply because it was a struggle. But it's also worth pointing out that the way they structured their business meant that the business of making music was funded well; band member salaries were not, comparatively speaking. Think of Healy's remarks that whatever he wanted in the way of PA improvements, he got.
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permalink #84 of 144: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 21 Jun 07 10:41
permalink #84 of 144: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 21 Jun 07 10:41
The money factor needs to be examined in the context of the counterculture's questioning of unfettered consumerism. The band came of age during this period. The shadow part of an "anti-materialistic" sentiment, of course, means that we all need stuff survive. To use Joseph Campbell, however, the band was far more atuned to following a collective bliss, than trying to subscribe to the "so-you-want-to-be-a-rock'nroll-star" ethos. It was all abit contradictory, but no one can argue against these cats emerging from the underground money-ain't-everything scene. Also, they were collectively and individually sincere artists, and, taken together, a constellation of true talent. I'm still waiting on AGI which may address this, but the earliest stages of the Dead's survival as a group can not ignore that the band's first state-of-the-art "PA improvements" were funded by Owsley's contributions to the band, money derived from the elixir fueling Psychedelia. Would the Dead have survived without this infusion of wealth? When the band had its farewell concert in 1974, there is no way they were establishing the now-classic rock band model where The (fill in the blank group) would use the ploy to market a succession of (fill in a number) Farewell Tours. Something else brought them back together. Was it money, or was it that the Dead offered each member, individually, an optimal artistic outlet for his respective talent? There are worse 9-to-5 survival gigs. Money doesn't hold a band together for three decades. It wasn't simply the music, either. From what the band members have said, it makes more sense to view the Dead phenomenon in the way they saw it themselves. They talk about having created a beast that unwittingly took shape and carried them along. The beast needed money to fuel it, an audience to sustain it, a musical product to propel it, organization to hold it together, willing members to man it, enough mutual respect/love/admiration to stay with this beast, and enough attractant to keep the members from splitting up. So part dust devil, part leviathan, part rolling thunder revival camp, the long touring Grateful Dead phenomenon was phantasmagorically beastly. Unrepentant books like AGI need to be written to force a crack in the equally beastly egg of scholarly derision and complacency. The Dead present one of the more fascinating phenomenon of our time.
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permalink #85 of 144: Christian Crumlish (xian) Thu 21 Jun 07 11:52
permalink #85 of 144: Christian Crumlish (xian) Thu 21 Jun 07 11:52
btw, just a brief note before another question. the reference to setlist syntax (or grammar is it) comes from a paper by Gary Shank (with an A), not Shenk (with an E). David Shenk was Steve Silberman's coauthor on Skeleton Kizzle.
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permalink #86 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Fri 22 Jun 07 05:41
permalink #86 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Fri 22 Jun 07 05:41
Good catch, Xian - - quite right.
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permalink #87 of 144: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 22 Jun 07 15:16
permalink #87 of 144: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 22 Jun 07 15:16
>> I'm uncomfortable saying with finality that the Dead were MORE spiritual than their peers, but I'm sure tempted to ... that's one of those generalizations that would depend on how we defined spiritual, but I find an arc between "And We Bid You Goodnight" and "Days Between" that hits every religio-spiritual bone in my body in spades, and with chills. I think it's also interesting to measure that in reverse: how is it that Deadheads as a group had such a unique religio-spiritual vibe to them, not found in other popular music fandoms? >> Fascinating question from your earlier post, Nick. And, intriguingly, how is it that the Dead with such ambiguous lyrics and no intention to prosyletize to their audience managed to attract/develop a following with such a religio-spiritual vibe. Was this due simply to the psychotropic drugs? That's the easy, dismissive answer. More profoundly, how much do ambiguity and layers of meaning within songs abet this deeper shared experience? What was it about the music itself that evoked such "spiritual" immersion? To those close to the experience, the Dead's ambiguity seems to work like a Zen koan where each member of the audience brings his or her own engagement to the music. Then, collectively, there is enough shared commonality--kinesthetically, emotionally, intellectually, spiritually, drug induced--to shape the audience. This is especially evident in the "true believers"/repeat attendees. These followers, over time, began shaping a microcosmic culture. Partaking in the same rites/songs/sets became like communion; the shared sense of Deadhead mysticism evolved. You mentioned the song "And We Bid You Goodnight." The first time I heard this was at the close of the concert that closed Winterland. From midnight to 5:30 a.m. the Dead had taken the audience to the farthest and widest reaches of the band's musical expression. Then with this soft acappela rendering, for the first time, I heard an overt religious statement from the Dead: "Jesus loves you the best." Ironically, this in itself was like a koan, because my sense of the group and where I thought it was coming from was instantly changed, broadened actually. The group that paraded the trippiest Zen china cat of all was at the same time able to embrace a spectrum of spiritual possibility like no other group. LFRNFA. Nick, what are the challenges in the area of Dead Letters to find ways for sharing with non-sympathetic scholars the essence of the Deadhead/Dead phenomenon in a manner that will be taken as seriously as any other non-musical groups' spiritual/religious experience?
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permalink #88 of 144: rolling loaded dice (xian) Fri 22 Jun 07 15:47
permalink #88 of 144: rolling loaded dice (xian) Fri 22 Jun 07 15:47
btw, there's an interesting discussion on good ol' rec.music.gdead about this interview, and someone has questioned Nick's quip that the Dead featured seven virtuosos. I realized that I had some thoughts on that myself and will quote from my usenet post below" "Yeah, I could have challenged Nick on that one (still can, I suppose). I don't even think of Jerry as a virtuoso, given his approach, although his sheer talent and inventiveness might qualify him. Pig was brilliant in his idiom. Weir is inspired at at times astounding in his reach. Brent was talented but not a virtuoso or a genius. Kreutzman, in his heyday was approaching virtuoso territory, imho. Phil's obviously a genius and a unique and inventive player but I don't know if virtuoso is the right word. Virtuoso really gets at a very different kind of musical excellence from the kind the Dead engaged in, where the holistic effect often exceeded any single player's capabilities." not sure this link will work: <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.gdead/browse_thread/thread/5ad7ef066d 467f8c/1ec89bde4173ec36>
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permalink #89 of 144: *%* (jewel) Fri 22 Jun 07 17:20
permalink #89 of 144: *%* (jewel) Fri 22 Jun 07 17:20
There seems to exist within the deadhead population a drive to incorporate one's love of the GD with one's life and even one's occupation. Do you think this plays a part in the wide range of academic contexts in which the GD have been studied?
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permalink #90 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Sun 24 Jun 07 07:21
permalink #90 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Sun 24 Jun 07 07:21
Great posts all ... many thanks! First, to the virtuoso remark ... folks are correct to take me to task on that; especially musicians and musicologists. What I meant in the context of the back-and-forth with Dennis was that focusing on "three geniuses" created a skewed impression, although I appreciate and agree with his general point, which is to place them in a long tradition of artistic excellence in the West. One of the fundamental things about the Dead, though, was that this genius didn't take on the forms that normally obtain in that tradition - - that's the collectivity we all talk about so much. In an interview I sat in on with Mickey in the early nineties, a journalist with me commented to Mickey that every member of the Dead was secretly convinced that the band's success depended on that member, which got an immediate assent (and much laughter).
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permalink #91 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Sun 24 Jun 07 07:25
permalink #91 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Sun 24 Jun 07 07:25
Continuing to move backwards ... great question, Jewel - - and I think you're right, that's exactly right. One theme I hammer on in the intro to AGI is the degree to which Dead scholarship is characterized by both commitment and risk, which is unusual and noteworthy in the academy. Another facet is the sheer diversity and significance of the Dead phenomenon, which seems to call for explication and analysis from this broad swath of disciplines.
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permalink #92 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Sun 24 Jun 07 07:33
permalink #92 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Sun 24 Jun 07 07:33
Great one from Scott: "Nick, what are the challenges in the area of Dead Letters to find ways for sharing with non-sympathetic scholars the essence of the Deadhead/Dead phenomenon in a manner that will be taken as seriously as any other non-musical groups' spiritual/religious experience?" Ah, I wish I had a clue. The whole theme of stigma and how it attaches to those scholars who study stigmatized groups is complicated. And I think there are a number of contexts here as well: musicologists can point to arguments over significance and excellence that have gotten extremely heated; Rob Weiner in his intro to Perspectives on the Grateful Dead gets at that with his assertion that the Dead are the most loved and hated band in rock. On the broadest level, I'm not really sure I place much merit in the idea of scholarly discussions of music creating a desire in readers to go out and expose themselves to that music; but there's also a part of me that wonders if the degree to which the band's model of "participate in the traditions" is exactly analogous to scholarship; it's part of what's fun about talking about the fascinating echoes and levels and interconnections in the Dead phenomenon that do indeed ripple out and ultimately can encompass both veggie burritoes being sold in a parking lot and microeconomic exegesis on what that means.
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permalink #93 of 144: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Sun 24 Jun 07 09:25
permalink #93 of 144: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Sun 24 Jun 07 09:25
>> scholars who study stigmatized groups I put Tom Wolfe in this catagory when he went out to write "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test." He politely declined to drop acid, and the fact that he was an outsider to the Pranksters came through in many ways in his narrative, but to his credit, beyond the imposition of his pet hypotheses, he tried his best to be objectively "intersubjective." He viewed Kesey and the Pranksters as embodying a religious group in its initial stages of formation. Earlier, <pauli> said: "Being an historian I think that social scientists tend to generalize more than historians, who tend to focus more on change over time." When I read Denis McNally's history of the Dead, the thoroughness was impressive, but there was a tendency to barrage the reader with too many dates and names and places to the point that the context of the Dead experience suffered. In a collection such as AGI, I sense an attempt to distill a number of valid perspectives on the Dead. As for a sociological/anthropological perspective on the spiritual/religious aspects of the Dead/Deadhead phenomenon, the fascinating question is the one Wolfe attempted to overlay on Kesey and the Pranksters. Namely, more than how the Dead/Deadhead phenomenon changed over time, in what ways did this subculture provide a fascinating example of socio-spiritual cultural formation? The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test was most notable as a work of literary sociology showing how Psychedelia emerged in Western culture. The Deadhead phenomenon evolved from this Psychedelia and endured along with the band as a microcosm of that emergence. For me, this goes beyond scholarly curiousity limited to those in academia and has me putting on futuristic skull-and-rose colored glasses. I try to imagine a post-apocalyptic scenario where, sick of war, a Deadhead-like, primitive-but-selectively-technological tribal formation might borrow from the Deadhead model to create neo-hippie pockets of peace. Scholars don't like to talk much about a peace-and-love ethos, but when we probe beneath the military-industrial-high tech system that ensnares all of us (including those guarding the towers of academia), what is more viable to our humanity than that ethos?
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permalink #94 of 144: David Gans (tnf) Sun 24 Jun 07 10:26
permalink #94 of 144: David Gans (tnf) Sun 24 Jun 07 10:26
> Rob Weiner in his intro to Perspectives on the Grateful Dead gets at that > with his assertion that the Dead are the most loved and hated band in rock. A musician/luthier friend of mnine, Bruce Harvie, refers to the Dead as "the most overrated (by their fans) and underrated (by the rest of the world) band in the world."
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permalink #95 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Sun 24 Jun 07 11:41
permalink #95 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Sun 24 Jun 07 11:41
Wow, that's the most elegant restatement of Rob's contention I can imagine ... great!
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permalink #96 of 144: can't close the door when the wall's caved in (xian) Sun 24 Jun 07 11:54
permalink #96 of 144: can't close the door when the wall's caved in (xian) Sun 24 Jun 07 11:54
it also helps explain why there is a topic here in the Well's independent "Flame" conference called SHUT UP HIPPIE. I think the same insight/epiphany that has led so many Deadheads to revere the experience (and - as mentioned earlier - at times to try to weave it into all aspects of their lives) also contributes to that tendency to ascribe idealizes, romanticized notions to every facet of the doings of these all-too-frail human (if, at times, inspired, maybe even divinely inspired) musicians (and their enablers, in every sense of that word). As Garcia said, 'Anyone who thinks I'm God should talk to my children,' (or words to that effect). We see it in Albuquerque, to be sure, from both seasoned and new, young scholars, this occasional tipping into hagiography and frankly an unscholarly acceptance of hearsay and lore without the rigorous tracking down and verifying demanded by scholarship. I know I've been guilty of passing along things I believed to be true until I or someone else managed to debunk then. Given ths stigma and the uphill battle all pop culture/American studies interdisciplinary work still faces, do you agree that Dead scholars need to bend over backward to get their facts straight and hew to what can be checked, verified, etc., even if that means letting go of some of the compelling material (such as, say, the tale of the audience member who vanished - Spinal Tapwise - when Jerry, Phil, and Bob focused their guitars on him)?
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permalink #97 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Sun 24 Jun 07 11:56
permalink #97 of 144: Nicholas Meriwether (nicholasm) Sun 24 Jun 07 11:56
Great thoughtful post, Scott ... lots of good stuff in there to chew on, but it's also worth pointing out that Kool-Aid is a defining tome in New Journalism, along with Hunter S. Thompson's Hell's Angels, which also had a huge Haight-Ashbury component. One of the interesting aspects of the book, as well as of New Journalism as a whole, it's embrace of subjectivity in authorial perspective, and in particular the blurring of subject-object, a metaphor which the Dead and other Haight-Ashbury bands were also playing with in terms of performer-audience boundaries; and, in fact, so were other San Francisco arts, such Ann Halprin's dance workshop. LSD becomes a wonderful aid to that kind of thinking with its ability to blurr lines of consciousness and ego boundaries, a point made by many of the artists at the time. I like your question: "Namely, more than how the Dead/Deadhead phenomenon changed over time, in what ways did this subculture provide a fascinating example of socio-spiritual cultural formation?" But it's funny, I'm still more focused on how they illustrate themes that run deep in human history, or precedents and antecedents rather than uniqueness. I obviously think you're right, that there's something unique there, but I'm not satisfied that I'll ever be able to make that argument until I've figured out those earlier contexts. Which is probably why I gave AGI the subtitle I did ... Random aside: at one of the meetings of the Southwest/Texas American/Popular Culture Association, we had a Native American audience member who came to a session and stayed for several more; like many spectators, he was impressed with the collaborative dialogue that followed the papers, and when the conversation had shifted to overtly spiritual aspects of the phenomenon, he commented, "I think the Grateful Dead phenomenon looks like the beginnings of a religious movement." It was a fascinating remark, and in some ways highlighted the varying cultural resonances of those terms. Now, time for me to go back and reread Kool-Aid ...
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permalink #98 of 144: John Ross (johnross) Sun 24 Jun 07 11:57
permalink #98 of 144: John Ross (johnross) Sun 24 Jun 07 11:57
Reading this topic and observing the whole phenomenon as sobebody who admitedly has never been impressed by most of what I have heard of the band's music, I have a couple of questions: First, is there a fundamental difference between the deadhead culture and that of people who construct their lives around things like folk music orr bluegrass festivals? There's an essay called "Bluegrass and the Folk Revival: Structural Similarities and the Experienced Differences" by Philip Nussbaum in the book "Transforming Tradition: Folk Music Revivals Examined" (University of Illinois Press, 1993) that describes the culture of bluegrass fans that seems to have a lot in common with deadheads (with the possiible very important exception of drug use). My own experience at folk music festivals feels like it has many of the same elements of community. And second, how important to the legitmacy of "dead studies" or whatever we want to call the academic study of the subject is the fact that there are musicologists and others (such as Fred Lieberman) involved who are also rrespected by the broader academic establishment? This is not to argue that ti would not otherwise be a legitimate field of study.
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permalink #99 of 144: Gary Burnett (jera) Sun 24 Jun 07 12:05
permalink #99 of 144: Gary Burnett (jera) Sun 24 Jun 07 12:05
My take on Christian's question: First, the uphill battle does still remain to some extent, though it does seem to have improved somewhat. Perhaps it's just that there's enough of a remove at this point, or perhaps I see it this way because I have tenure, & that makes all the difference in the world :-) However, I don't know tht we have to "bend over backward to get [our] facts straight and hew to what can be checked, verified, etc." That's certainly one way to go, but it assumes a kind of positivist belief that "facts" are all that matters, when that's not always the case -- there are certainly other kinds of rigorous scholarship that don't limit themselves to bare "facts," but endeavour to tell stories of one kind or another. And I can certainly imagine some interesting scholarly approaches that would be able to do something with stories of vanishing audience members and the like. Still, even now, junior academics need to be ready with solid answers when their senior colleagues tell them (as one told me once) "you really have to stop doing all of this pop-culture nonsense."
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permalink #100 of 144: Gary Burnett (jera) Sun 24 Jun 07 12:13
permalink #100 of 144: Gary Burnett (jera) Sun 24 Jun 07 12:13
A couple of slips. I wholeheartedly agree with Nick's observation about the embrace of subjectivity and the blurring of subject/object. Embracing subjectivity within scholarship does imply that things are not rigorous. And John is absolutely correct both about the connections between the Deadhead community and others (such as the Bluegrass community), and about the place of academics doing Grateful Dead studies having established names for themselves in other ways. Rebecca Adams is an excellent case in point -- *we* know her as the Deadhead professor, but the core of her sociology has to do with other matters. She once told me a story that seems apropos: she was talking to a mutual academic acquantance of ours (who shall remain nameless), who said something like "I don't think that there are any Deadheads in LIS ("Library and Information Studies," which is my field). She pointed out that I was a Deadhead, to which he responded "but ... but ... but ... but he does *good* work!"
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