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permalink #151 of 227: Barbara Thomas (barst) Sun 25 May 08 09:55
permalink #151 of 227: Barbara Thomas (barst) Sun 25 May 08 09:55
By the way, to clarify, I realize that Nouvelle Cuisine WAS French, but it quickly became a buzz word over here with little real meaning.
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permalink #152 of 227: Alexander Lobrano (aleclobrano) Sun 25 May 08 17:44
permalink #152 of 227: Alexander Lobrano (aleclobrano) Sun 25 May 08 17:44
All of your responses have been really, really interesting and confirmed what I sort of suspected--there's almost no REAL French food in the US. The only place that I found and really liked during my book tour was Le Pichet in Seattle. The food was delicious and so French that it could have been a few doors down from my apartment in the 9th arrondissement. I'm still wondering why French bistro cooking never got a real ticket to America when there's brilliant Italian and Spanish food. I think that it might be because: 1) American produce is so different 2) American culinary schools don't really teach these recipes anymore--the US seems to like BIG flavors and a lot of mouth feel, which leaves coq au vin, blanquette de veau, etc. in the dust. As food becomes more expensive, I suspect that traditional French bistro cooking may yet have a hey day in the U.S., since it's roots are so much in enobling simple and less expensive ingredients.
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permalink #153 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Sun 25 May 08 18:02
permalink #153 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Sun 25 May 08 18:02
I think there's an inherent suspiciousness of "french" food as something that's going to be fancy, expensive, and leave you hungry.
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permalink #154 of 227: lmc (lmc) Sun 25 May 08 20:55
permalink #154 of 227: lmc (lmc) Sun 25 May 08 20:55
this discussion has been great alec, i am learning a lot! and we have family in seattle who lived in paris for abotu five years - we are due for a visit and will have to try le pichet.
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permalink #155 of 227: Earl Crabb (esoft) Sun 25 May 08 23:51
permalink #155 of 227: Earl Crabb (esoft) Sun 25 May 08 23:51
Wasn't there a place northwest of Chicago that was very French? Might still be there, but istr someone here said it was gone. I ate there many years ago. Had its own airstrip. Can't remember name. The Blue Fox in San Francisco was reputed to be pretty authentic, but I never ate there when it was going.
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permalink #156 of 227: Earl Crabb (esoft) Sun 25 May 08 23:58
permalink #156 of 227: Earl Crabb (esoft) Sun 25 May 08 23:58
aha, found it... Le Francaise, in Wheeling, Illinois. <http://www.lefrancaisrestaurant.com/> Apparently, the chef from the old days is back. Here's the menu: <http://www.lefrancaisrestaurant.com/menu.html>
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permalink #157 of 227: Barbara Thomas (barst) Mon 26 May 08 05:55
permalink #157 of 227: Barbara Thomas (barst) Mon 26 May 08 05:55
I was the one who posted about Le Francais. They have closed and reopened many times. It looks like they are open now, but for how long?
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permalink #158 of 227: Cynthia D-B (peoples) Mon 26 May 08 08:30
permalink #158 of 227: Cynthia D-B (peoples) Mon 26 May 08 08:30
Probably no French food today. I'm heading out to the coast for a picnic with some friends midday, and I expect I'll be barbequing burgers (my husband's favorite) and some first-of-season corn on the cob for dinner this evening. What with it being Memorial Day and all. Gotta break out the bbq, right? But we've gotten a long way from HUNGRY FOR PARIS, it seems. One of the things I've wondered about when one writes a "best of" restaurant guide is: Over time, the restaurant scene changes. Places that were great get less so. Some places close down, other new ones that are wonderful open up. Alec, do you expect you'll want to do an updated version of Hungry for Paris after a while?
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permalink #159 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Mon 26 May 08 09:04
permalink #159 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Mon 26 May 08 09:04
I just want to note that there are new reviews and, in a sense, updates on http://www.hungryforparis.com -- not waiting for Alec because I note that he had not-so-much-fun at Le Meurice, which in contrast is described with great love in his book. Of course the blog update is about the bar, not the restaurant. What do you think, Alec -- have you changed your opinion?
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permalink #160 of 227: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Mon 26 May 08 10:11
permalink #160 of 227: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Mon 26 May 08 10:11
Sorry to get back to you late-- In providence, there are several French Restaurants Pot Au Feu <http://www.potaufeuri.com> Rue de L'espoir <http://www.therue.com> (More American bistro) Chez Pascal <http://www.chez-pascal.com/> All of them have their own take, slightly, althoug Pot Au Feu is perhaps most traditional.
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permalink #161 of 227: Michael C. Berch (mcb) Mon 26 May 08 10:24
permalink #161 of 227: Michael C. Berch (mcb) Mon 26 May 08 10:24
French cuisine traditionelle in San Francisco: Restaurant Jeanne d'Arc, in the Hotel Cornell, owned and run by actual French people, and catering largely to French visitors to SF, including people doing business with the consulate, which is about 2 blocks away. It's an old-school type place, not an innovator, but it does really feel like a little island of Paris in SF.
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permalink #162 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Mon 26 May 08 10:50
permalink #162 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Mon 26 May 08 10:50
My friend Naomi in Paris has been following along, and sent this email, which she said I could post: So, on breakfast I can recommend Pause Ditente, formerly Sarrasin, though she's not open til 10 (On Ledru Rollin on the other side of the street from Monoprix). They have always (since my arrival in the neighborhood in 1988) made the best croissants & pain aux raisins. We got a Saint Honori for 3 there the other night, you can see a picture of it here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/53814179@N00/2498239165/. Neither Lia nor I knew what a Saint Honori was. Definitely worth discovering! But that's not breakfast. Other options are goughres at the red bakery next to the Baron Rouge, now Baron Bouge, which you can eat while having coffee at any of the cafis around there, though we prefer the one on the same sidewalk down the street from the bakery, catty or kitty corner to the market. This bakery used to vie with Sarrasin for the appellation "best croissant in the neighborhood," but they seem to have changed recipes. A bit later on a weekend morning, you can have oyster brunch at the Baron. (Note from Kay: Baron Bouge is a wine bar just up the street from Marche Aligre in the 12th; they serve oysters and charcuterie for breakfast on Sunday mornings, and have wine in barrels. Quite a neighborhood scene.) Re: telling a restaurant by its wine, in my experience, this is not a foolproof method. Ex: our friend Patrick served barrel wine from the Baron as his house wine in his divine African restaurant (his wife is Camerounaise). He upped it the maximum 5 times the purchase price allowed by law and I kicked myself every time, but his bottled wine was even more expensive and the food was already expensive enough (early 90s, a main course was already 70F (most places was 50-60)), though quite copious and heavenly. Sadly, he closed and moved on to other things long ago. And even L'Ibauchoir had (or used to have) a poor wine selection compared to the quality of the food. Whereas the original Vieux Chene's wine quality was inversely proportional both to the wine's price and to the food, which was good but originally, dinner was leftover lunch. What made the meal great was the cheese platter & Chantal's mousse au chocolat, as well as the atmosphere created by the couple who ran the place. Alain's strength was/is wine--he's been running a cave since he & Chantal sold the VC. Guess I'm gonna have to have a look at your book, Alec. I think I saw it last week at my friend's shop, The Red Wheelbarrow (on the rue St Paul, for those who need to pick up books in English while in Paris. She's much friendlier than the folks at the Village Voice & obviously the big stores, and has a really great selection). I'd like to see what you recommend in my neighborhood, since we never go out anymore except that short week every January when Kay comes to visit. Of course, we're not working at home anymore either, which was one reason for eating lunch out a lot. Now if I eat lunch out it's a lebanese sandwich near the rue Mouffetard! Speaking of lunch, and perhaps late breakfast (not open til 10), I can't recommend highly enough Arlette's place, Le Petit Cafi on the Fb St Antoine. She gets her viennoiserie from Sarrasin (now Pause Detente, on Ledru Rollin) but makes her own quiches, tartes salies and pies, and a great cafi crhme. Lunch=tarte salie and "salad" (mixed veggies, cruditis, lettuce). Quite big portions, I think it's only 10 euros, but I never really keep track and she doesn't post the price. (Note from Kay: Le Petit Cafi doesn't have a sign; it's a hole in the wall across the street from an atelier for a designer ... Gaultier? If you're over on Fbg St Antoine, it's a very pleasant place for coffee or, as Naomi says, a light lunch).
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permalink #163 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Mon 26 May 08 10:51
permalink #163 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Mon 26 May 08 10:51
(sorry about the weirdness caused by accents on some of the letters)
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permalink #164 of 227: Alexander Lobrano (aleclobrano) Mon 26 May 08 11:28
permalink #164 of 227: Alexander Lobrano (aleclobrano) Mon 26 May 08 11:28
To clarify on the Hotel Meurice: I STILL love the restaurant, but I don't like the bar, or the shatteringly expensive lobby restaurant. One of the saddest things in many big cities these days is the death of the old-fashioned hotel lobby--a place where you could sit peacefully and wait for someone, or just watch the world go by. Now every square foot is being merchandized and switched on as a selling space. In terms of updating HUNGRY FOR PARIS, I will be posting corrections and updates regularly on my website www.hungryforparis.com. I'll also be posting new discoveries. And since the book is selling quite well--already in third printing and continuing to get some terrific reviews (you can see on the website), there's no doubt that another edition will be in the works.
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permalink #165 of 227: Alexander Lobrano (aleclobrano) Mon 26 May 08 11:38
permalink #165 of 227: Alexander Lobrano (aleclobrano) Mon 26 May 08 11:38
I was very interested by Kayo's nail-on-the-head assessment of the way that many Americans see French food--"as something that's fancy, expensive and will leave you hungry." I actually talk about this in HUNGRY FOR PARIS, addressing the fact that relatively few Americans can name four or five French dishes the way they can immediately rattle off four or five Italian, Chinese or Mexican ones. I think this is partly explained by the history of American immigration, and also by the fact that France and anything French has been codified to resonate as elite (to say nothing of pompous or prissy, etc.) in the mainstream American mind (remember the outbreak of French-bashing at the beginning of the war in Iraq?). Julia Child did educate millions of Americans to appreciate real French homecooking in the sixties, but all it takes is a quick look at many "Women's" magazines these days to see that the recipes suggested are often more about time (and saving of same) and convenience, which are often at odds with the slow-simmered glories of such great French dishes as boeuf bourguignon or blanquette de veau. The great and little-known truth, however, is that French home-style or country cooking is every bit as much of a celebration of simplicity and quality produce as the Italian kitchen.
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permalink #166 of 227: La plus nouvelle poubelle (stet) Mon 26 May 08 12:24
permalink #166 of 227: La plus nouvelle poubelle (stet) Mon 26 May 08 12:24
What was the old French line about the US - "one hundred churches and only one cheese"
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permalink #167 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Mon 26 May 08 12:27
permalink #167 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Mon 26 May 08 12:27
Leiderkranz!
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permalink #168 of 227: Jef Poskanzer (jef) Mon 26 May 08 12:53
permalink #168 of 227: Jef Poskanzer (jef) Mon 26 May 08 12:53
Four or five things I eat when I'm in France: salads: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jef/133758444/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/jef/172722757/ oysters: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jef/33437567/ tartelettes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jef/172897433/ gazpacho: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jef/178857213/ >celebration of simplicity and quality produce That's my definition of French food in a nutshell.
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permalink #169 of 227: Alexander Lobrano (aleclobrano) Mon 26 May 08 14:50
permalink #169 of 227: Alexander Lobrano (aleclobrano) Mon 26 May 08 14:50
And with the dollar in such anemic shape--the French are calling it "Bush's peso"--I've been telling friends that they can just order a main course and a glass of wine as a way of saving money. Also fun to do hotel picnics--go to a good cheese store (Quatrehommes in the rue de Sevres)and get some cheese, buy bread, a good bottle of red--wine is still much cheaper in france than the US--and have a cosy and tasty night in. The longer I live in France, and it's 23 years and counting, the more I celebrate the essential "less is more" perspective that's at the core of great French cooking. When you chew the fat with most Paris chefs, they all the say the same thing, a riff on Escoffier, that their job is to make things taste like what they are. And a great new address: Itineraires, rue de Pontoise, 5th. Brilliant market cooking by young chef Sylvain Sendra.
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permalink #170 of 227: Kathy L. Dalton (kd) Mon 26 May 08 19:59
permalink #170 of 227: Kathy L. Dalton (kd) Mon 26 May 08 19:59
I don't wish to dither with my friend Betsy but we do have a few standard French, not fusion, places in Boston/ Cambrige L'Espalier, is perhaps the grande dame--I have not been in many years. Maison Robert is history (but the service there was too fussy for my taste and it was definitely French with a patrician yankee flavor.). We have Craigie Street Bistrot in Cambridge, the closest I can come these days to Paris without boarding AA flight 146.
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permalink #171 of 227: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Tue 27 May 08 04:36
permalink #171 of 227: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Tue 27 May 08 04:36
L'Espalier counts as "super-expensive downtown." Craigie Street I had not heard of, thanks! (but looks to be super-expensive also!)
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permalink #172 of 227: What is going to amuse our bouches now? (bumbaugh) Tue 27 May 08 07:50
permalink #172 of 227: What is going to amuse our bouches now? (bumbaugh) Tue 27 May 08 07:50
IN DC there's Au Pied du Cochon, no? And is 1849 still going?
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permalink #173 of 227: Barbara Thomas (barst) Tue 27 May 08 09:01
permalink #173 of 227: Barbara Thomas (barst) Tue 27 May 08 09:01
The restaurants that get written about and praised by critics for the last number of years tend to be the ones with chefs doing innovative things like Moto and Alinea in Chicago. So that may explain why some of the classic French restaurants have closed in recent years. Again, I think that this mostly a good sign because it indicates a maturing of American cooking. But with so many French bistros in a city like Chicago, why can some be really wonderful? I must admit, I'm generalizing, because I haven't tried them all (there are so many in Chicago) but the ones I have tried, some multiple times, just haven't bowled me over.
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permalink #174 of 227: Alexander Lobrano (aleclobrano) Tue 27 May 08 11:37
permalink #174 of 227: Alexander Lobrano (aleclobrano) Tue 27 May 08 11:37
I hear that the new New York City branch of Benoit, the famous luxury bistro in Paris, is good and not that expensive. Has anyone been?
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permalink #175 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Tue 27 May 08 12:47
permalink #175 of 227: kayili! (kayo) Tue 27 May 08 12:47
How about Robuchon in Vegas? I really want to go there. Anyone been to that?
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