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permalink #101 of 177: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 8 Jan 09 03:19
permalink #101 of 177: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 8 Jan 09 03:19
Brian, no disagreement here, I didn't say that nobody's investing in hard infrastructure. It's good to acknowledge that the infrastructure is still there, and there's new business opportunity in managing an infrastructure that's decoupled from the businesses that use it. So you get something like Launchpad Coworking: http://blog.launchpadcoworking.com/ Does this sort of thing relate to Frank's point about starvation/dictatorship driving sustainability? Which sort of relates to the point about denial that global warming's a real threat, which is more like waiting until it's too late - until the problem is in your face - before you take action. If you're faced with imminent starvation, the issue of sustainability is more broadly obvious and readily addressed. If you're not faced with starvation and and only a few have the foresight to see why sustainable systems are necessary to keep the goose alive and well and laying those shiny eggs, those few can assert their understanding through dictatorship and make sustainability happen. (Here I'm envisioning a different telling of "Jaws," wherein a more aggressive sheriff Roy Scheider pulls a gun, jails Murray Hamilton and his city council, declares martial law and closes the beaches.) Can we create a sustainable society (or, as Armistead and I say, a sustainability economy), and in the Bright Green way, emphasize that there's business opportunity in sustainability, so the markets are on board, big business is on board, and you have a shared understanding (no doubt facilitated, in part, by social media) driving the move to sustainable solutions? So there are these options, I think: the mayor's in denial and the shark eats a few kids, or the sheriff stages a coup and closes the beaches... or everybody's texting and blogging and tweeting about the shark, and the beaches are empty, regardless of any action on Roy Scheider's part, and despite Murray Hamilton's denial. And that's what we mean when we say the Internet makes a difference.
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permalink #102 of 177: Lisa Harris (lrph) Thu 8 Jan 09 04:00
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permalink #103 of 177: (dana) Thu 8 Jan 09 07:13
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(previous post from offsite reader Lachlan Yeates)
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permalink #104 of 177: Lisa Harris (lrph) Thu 8 Jan 09 08:26
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Repost from offsite reader Lachlan Yeates (from Scribbled post <102> due to technical difficulties.....) When Confucius was asked the first thing he would do upon taking office, he replied that he would "rectify names", as "If names are not rectified then language will not flow. If language does not flow, then affairs cannot be completed." In the same way, whenever we try and talk about thing "new economics of the commons," it is nearly impossible to have a sensible discussion, as not only are there no precedents to work with, there are not even any words to discuss it with, sort of like newspeak in reverse. It was part of the reason novel concepts such as democracy and atheism took so long to get off the ground, as the relevant concepts could not be adequately expressed. If we are to seek some precedents, I suggest the classics. The politicians of ancient Athens gained power by supporting the needy, starting schools and building public monuments. The concept of "gravitas," so inherent in the Roman system, important enough to cause Caesar to march on Rome, has disappeared from the English language, and has found no replacement. Perhaps Sarko and Obama are a new type of politician riding on the blogosphere?
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permalink #105 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 8 Jan 09 08:35
permalink #105 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 8 Jan 09 08:35
"Last year a a good-works oriented friend bought me lunch and picked my brain on getting a job in the clean power sector. I suggested she go work for GE for 2 or 3 or 5 years; not only would she be able to sock money away against lean years later on with a venture-funded start-up, she'd get experience that such a company might really value enough to hire someone who has it. "Funny, she didn't seem to like this advice. (Journalist, heal thyself.)" *Well, General Electric is very into electricity. I'm not saying your friend should have gone to work there. I *am* saying that you can't change methods of generating electricity by standing at a coal mine with a reporters' notepad. *It may very well be that green-energy roughnecks are mostly energy roughnecks rather than conscientious social activists. West Texas wind-boom guys are the children of West Texas oil-boom guys. Most serious solar-power guys I've met look and act like roofing contractors. *I'm sure this is deeply regrettable in some ways, but do you really wanna climb ladders and bolt unwieldy panels to rooftops? You don't? *Then maybe -- given that this is necessary labor you're unwilling and unable to do -- maybe your proper attitude ought to be one of respect and support for such people. *One ought to be especially careful about any snotty white-collar dismissals of green-collar activity. For the people with wrenches and hammers, commentators trying to solve big problems with technosocial conscientious transformation dont necessarily sound like brilliant symbolic analysts. They tend to come across like gabby, granola-munching mandarins.
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permalink #106 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 8 Jan 09 08:38
permalink #106 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 8 Jan 09 08:38
"Bruce, what's life like in Torino?" *Man, I could write a book. Which is kinda the idea. *But to stick to the urban-suburban topic (which I'm enjoying), this is a car town. Torino is the Detroit of Italy. The car biz collapsed in the 1980s. The blue-collar assembly guys all left. About ten years ago foreigners started showing up -- emigres, all kinds. There's a small army of us in here now, a hundred thousand. *In my neighborhood the Chinese are feeding the Peruvians. Demographically its like a little London almost. But unlike London which has been polyglot and imperial for centuries, this is just 90s globalization that's packed into a downtown that was in sharp decline. It's more like a jumbled warehouse of nations than a multinational community. *Also, I have no car in Torino, this car town. I haven't had a car since 2005. I have no plans to get a car, and I kinda hope I never own a car again. I walk most places, I take trams, and really, I suspect that giving up a car helped my health almost as much as giving up smoking. For a guy in his mid-50s I can walk like nobody's business. Getting out of the car is of those actions that sound like a big painful sacrifice, but if you can beat that cruel addiction, it improves your quality of life quite radically.
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permalink #107 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 8 Jan 09 08:41
permalink #107 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 8 Jan 09 08:41
"Bruce: Yes, I actually got the Tokugawa example from Jared Diamond's Collapse, thanks. (...) "Given our track record, I think it's unlikely that we will make a sustainable society without dealing with mass global starvation. The one ray of light is the Tokugawa, who used a command and control approach (ahem!) to make Japan sustainable for a few centuries. "If this doesn't scare you, just think about it: starvation and dictatorship seem to be the only proven ways to make people go sustainable." *Dude, you're just not scaring me here. Sorry. *If you've read Jared Diamond's book, why aren't you talking about Iceland? Iceland is an ecological success in his lights. Iceland has the world's oldest democratic Parliament, instead of this repulsive Tokugawa feudal spy society you seem to want to valorize. *The idea that Tokugawa Japan is some kind of model society for moderns, I find that frankly ludicrous. Tokugawa society is a very interesting study -- everything in Japan is fascinating -- but there is just no way we're venturing into a feudally-based, hand-powered society with an economy of koku rice measures and third-hand Confucianism. *These guys weren't ecological model-farmers: they didn't understand the mechanics of rainfall, much less nitrogen fixation. And while they were "commanding and controlling" their underlings, they were so deliberately ignorant of all developments elsewhere that a couple of American steamboats were enough to traumatize them utterly. What the heck is "sustainable" about that? I reiterate that if you can't imagine how things might change, you don't get lack of change, you get changes that are unimaginable. Tokugawa Japan isn't our global post-starvation future. It's the poster child for getting blown away by unimaginable change.
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permalink #108 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 8 Jan 09 08:43
permalink #108 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 8 Jan 09 08:43
*Every time I get a new announcement from EDGE.ORG, I promise myself that I won't kill hours reading it, and almost every time I get seduced. *Their latest BIG QUESTION at Edge asks about developments that will change everything within the respondent's lifetime. I noticed that Yochai Benkler, "Mr Commons-Based Peer Production," weighed in. So I quote him. "Free market ideology "This is not a technical innovation but a change in realm of ideas. The resurgence of free market ideology, after its demise in the Great Depression, came to dominance between the 1970s and the late 1990s as a response to communism. As communism collapsed, free market ideology triumphantly declared its dominance. In the U.S. And the UK it expressed itself, first, in the Reagan/Thatcher moment; and then was generalized in the Clinton/Blair turn to define their own moment in terms of integrating market-based solutions as the core institutional innovation of the left. "It expressed itself in Europe through the competition-focused, free market policies of the technocratic EU Commission; and in global systems through the demands and persistent reform recommendations of the World Bank, the IMF, and the world trade system through the WTO. "But within less than two decades, its force as an idea is declining. "On the one hand, the Great Deflation of 2008 has shown the utter dependence of human society on the possibility of well-functioning government to assure some baseline stability in human welfare and capacity to plan for the future. "On the other hand, a gradual rise in volunteerism and cooperation, online and offline, is leading to a reassessment of what motivates people, and how governments, markets, and social dynamics interoperate. "I expect the binary State/Market conception of the way we organize our large systems to give way to a more fluid set of systems, with greater integration of the social and commercial; as well as of the state and the social. So much of life, in so many of our societies, was structured around either market mechanisms or state bureaucracies. The emergence of new systems of social interaction will affect what we do, and where we turn for things we want to do, have, and experience." *Sounds pretty comprehensive, eh? As a "sci fi futurist" and "design visionary" and all that, I really dig it when I come across in contrast as this very low-key, equivocating, maybe-so maybe not kind of figure.
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permalink #109 of 177: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 8 Jan 09 09:40
permalink #109 of 177: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Thu 8 Jan 09 09:40
<snotty white-collar dismissals of green-collar activity. They tend to come across like gabby, granola-munching mandarins.> That sounds much more "snotty" to me than Benkler's depiction of the core issue: "the way we organize our large systems to give way to a more fluid set of systems, with greater integration of the social and commercial." For example, of course the "green" initiatives of Commander-In-Chief Obama will require the rank-and-file to implement the directives, and, in between, the whole campaign will need to be sold to a taxpaying, consuming public. And, on the ground, maybe some longhair artisan type will figure out how to install the raw solar panels with an eye for functional aesthetics.
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permalink #110 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 8 Jan 09 11:11
permalink #110 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 8 Jan 09 11:11
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permalink #111 of 177: gabby, granola-munching mandarin (jonl) Thu 8 Jan 09 11:30
permalink #111 of 177: gabby, granola-munching mandarin (jonl) Thu 8 Jan 09 11:30
I'm on the run right now, but I have to chime in to say how much I resonate with Benkler's last paragraph. He's a guy who should be in Obama's cabinet. Social Integration Czar.
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permalink #112 of 177: Emily J. Gertz (emilyg) Thu 8 Jan 09 11:33
permalink #112 of 177: Emily J. Gertz (emilyg) Thu 8 Jan 09 11:33
*Well, General Electric is very into electricity. I'm not saying your friend should have gone to work there. I *am* saying that you can't change methods of generating electricity by standing at a coal mine with a reporters' notepad. I might decamp to big business or big government at some time or another (and no reason to debate it further); given the state of journalism, I may have to. but standing around with a notepad might not be *totally* useless. Reporting in the wake of the one billion gallon coal sludge spill in Tennessee has certainly made visible all the unregulated coal ash ponds across the country, which weren't on the tips of anyone's tongues before. 300 acres of once-pleasant countryside and scenic rivers drowned under toxic black mud is a much more visceral disaster than 384 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere. And if reasonably objective reporting gets those photos and video out to a mass audience (which it has), instead of just the usual deep green suspects, and contributes momentum to retiring coal-fired power, then journalism helped changed methods of generating electricity. Why are you a journalist? Why am I? At least partly because we're pretty good at it, as verified by the fact that people pay us to do it. And since there are many easier ways to make just as little money, probably we kind of like it -- or at least like doing something we're good at.
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permalink #113 of 177: Lisa Harris (lrph) Fri 9 Jan 09 03:44
permalink #113 of 177: Lisa Harris (lrph) Fri 9 Jan 09 03:44
From Frank again. --snip-- "Given our track record, I think it's unlikely that we will make a sustainable society without dealing with mass global starvation. The one ray of light is the Tokugawa, who used a command and control approach (ahem!) to make Japan sustainable for a few centuries. "If this doesn't scare you, just think about it: starvation and dictatorship seem to be the only proven ways to make people go sustainable." *Dude, you're just not scaring me here. Sorry. *If you've read Jared Diamond's book, why aren't you talking about Iceland? Iceland is an ecological success in his lights. Iceland has the world's oldest democratic Parliament, instead of this repulsive Tokugawa feudal spy society you seem to want to valorize. --Hmmm, since I got the example of the Tokugawa from Collapse, it should be self-evident that I read the book. I don't particularly lionize the Tokugawa I'm just pointing out that it's the only society that I know of (someone please find another example for me!) that didn't get to sustainability through famine. Iceland doesn't qualify because they had at least one bout of famine. There are lots of cultures that have learned through famine (including the others that Diamond cites, such as the New Guinea Highlands). I'm hoping there's an alternative that doesn't involve command/control or starvation. *The idea that Tokugawa Japan is some kind of model society for moderns, I find that frankly ludicrous. Tokugawa society is a very interesting study -- everything in Japan is fascinating -- but there is just no way we're venturing into a feudally-based, hand-powered society with an economy of koku rice measures and third-hand Confucianism. *These guys weren't ecological model-farmers: they didn't understand the mechanics of rainfall, much less nitrogen fixation. And while they were "commanding and controlling" their underlings, they were so deliberately ignorant of all developments elsewhere that a couple of American steamboats were enough to traumatize them utterly. What the heck is "sustainable" about that? Wrong on most counts, sorry. There's a book you should read, by F.H. King, titled Farmers of Forty Centuries,Or Permanent Agricultural Practices in China, Korea, and Japan. This was first published in 1911. Dr. King was a professor at the University of Wisconsin (the current soil science building is named after him) and he toured the countries in question in 1904 to learn how they did their agriculture. When he did his research, Japan had three people per acre, or three times the density of Holland, and and they had twice the number of horses and cattle per acre than the US. While they didn't have the Haber-Bosch nitrogen fixation process, they knew as much about using legumes in crop rotation as we do, along with manuring, sophisticated water management, and quite honestly, better waste management than we have now. Their sanitation workers bought the privilege of emptying the urban privies, because they could sell "night soil" to the farmers for a profit. The farmers composted human waste, and spread it on the fields (and apparently made it safe, since they seldom dealt with things like dysentery). A Japanese official King talked to thought westerners were stupid to flush something so valuable down the drain. Anyway, read up on Japan. I don't lionize or even condone much of what the Tokugawa did, but they, along with the Chinese and Koreans, did a heck of a job managing their fields. I'll tell you in advance that King's book is going to look familiar, because it's on the shelves of a lot of organic farmers. As for Perry's steamships in 1854, remember that 50 years later, the Japanese beat the Russians using modern armaments. After a revolution. That doesn't suggest a sick society to me. One major mistake is to assume that expertise in military technology equates with expertise in agricultural technology. The Japanese are a great counter- example. So are the Aztec and Inca, who fed more of their people than did the Spaniards who destroyed them. As Charles Mann notes in 1491, there were more people in Tenochtitlan and Cuzco than there were in most European cities. The Aztecs were stone age, and the Inca were bronze age, by their armaments. By their ag skills, they were beyond the Europeans (who invented maize and potatoes, after all?) Since the Inca homeland is also the homeland of the potato blight that nailed Ireland, I'd say they knew what they were doing. As for the limits of imagination, I don't deny the importance of imagination. Far from it. Here I'm doing the boring scientific thing of laying out the evidence of what has worked in the past. If anything, my fear is in part based on my imagination, because I can pretty easily imagine a sustainable society. The fact that it's apparently so hard to implement a sustainable society suggests that the limiting factor isn't imagination, it's getting people to live within limits. Hopefully I'm wrong. Despite my pessimism, I'm enjoying reading this, and I find it quite informative. Keep it up!
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permalink #114 of 177: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 9 Jan 09 09:01
permalink #114 of 177: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 9 Jan 09 09:01
A couple points for semi-anonymous Frank from your humble immoderator... 1) You may have missed my "Jaws" analogies, but one point was that a robust many-to-many information ecology can make a difference, and the human race is rapidly evolving a communication infrastructure that could be relevant, not just in response to great white sharks or accelerating global warming, but also to an acknowledged need to live, work, and act with sustainability as a goal Sustainability depends on awareness, knowledge, analytics, and persistent social interaction, all potentially well-supported within the evolving cypber/noosphere. I'm therefore skeptical of arguments from histories of societies and cultures that were not similarly wired. And I don't think I'm being techno-utopian here. Persistent omnidirectional scale-free networks of communication just inevitably make a difference, I think. 2) I'm also skeptical of history, period, because historical accounts are riddled with misperceptions, half-truths, surreal abstractions, and outright lies. "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it," but we must take all history with a grain, perhaps a massive rock, of salt. All history and all reporting, contemporary "news" too. The best journalists (including Emily, Bruce, and hopefully me, when I'm wearing that hat) have learned to pay clear and close attention to feedback, and are always prepared to revise and update. It's harder to revise and update history that's been passed through many perceptions over time, as you get farther from the actual facts. Recalling the Firesign Theatre: "Everything you know is wrong!"
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permalink #115 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:07
permalink #115 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:07
*Frank, I'm actually rather keen on Tokugawa Japan and I also read Diamond's book, so I don't believe we're disagreeing on any facts here. I just refuse to be scared by the idea that the future of agriculture has to resemble the past of Tokugawa peasants industriously shipping their nightsoil. I don't care how many organic groceries think this archaic activity is superb. You simply haven't convinced me that this is the way forward, and that every other mode of life has the skeleton grin of starvation. Sorry, I'm just not buying it. Not because it's boringly scientific but because it's absurd.
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permalink #116 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:09
permalink #116 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:09
*Meanwhile, somewhere in the halls of Washington... The legendary Silicon Valley venture capitalist made five recommendations to Congress and President-elect Barack Obama to jump-start a green-tech revolution and fight global warming: Modernize the grid: As part of the economic stimulus package, Doerr said Congress should invest in a more efficient electric grid that can deliver solar and wind power to consumers across the country. Put a price on carbon: A cap-and-trade system and a carbon tax that's refunded to taxpayers could drive up the costs for coal plants and make low-carbon sources, wind and solar, more competitive. A national renewable energy standard: Doerr believes the federal government should follow California and two dozen other states that require utilities to generate more of their power from renewable sources. New incentives for utilities: California utilities will spend $3 billion on energy-efficiency measures over the next 18 months because state rules give companies major incentives to conserve energy. New federal rules could force other states to follow suit, he said. More federal energy research: The federal government spends less than $1 billion a year on renewable energy research. Doerr urged more federal research and loan guarantees to help new technologies get off the ground. *Obviously I'm not perfectly contented with all of this -- as a snotty granola-munching mandarin, I'm never gonna be perfectly contented with anything, ever -- but we could do worse.
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permalink #117 of 177: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:13
permalink #117 of 177: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:13
At what point did European countries learn about the use of fertilizer? Apparently the Pilgrims needed to be shown how to put fish in with the corn kernels, or was it just because they hadn't been farmers before?
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permalink #118 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:14
permalink #118 of 177: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:14
*Meanwhile, news just in from SF.CA's own RE/SEARCH Publications. Vale has gotten Kunstler fever, and now plans a RE/SEARCH collapse survival guide -- presumably something to do with the Bay Area's time-honored "Survival Research Laboratories," eh? *Boy, THAT cheery publication oughta be something to see. I can't wait to page through it while sending my robot chainsaw legions to destroy the world's last organic farmers. *Vale is asking his readers for help! "Still Alive and Kicking: Don't know about you, but, having been under the spell of James Howard Kunstler and other Peak Oil prophets, we are hunkering down in anticipation of the greatest economic catastrophe ever seen in our lifetime. Would anyone be interested in a RE/SEARCH SURVIVAL GUIDE? That's what we truly want to work on! Send us feedback, just to prove you actually READ this newsletter! Send us your favorite "future survivalism" links!" *Yes, I actually read his newsletter and I can prove it: WELCOME TO V. VALE's [Abbreviated] RE/SEARCH NEWSLETTER #79, January 2009 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ RE/SEARCH | 20 Romolo #B | San Francisco CA 94133 | 415.362.1465 www.researchpubs.com | http://www.myspace.com/researchpubs | info@researchpubs.com
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permalink #119 of 177: Cogito, Ergo Dubito (robertflink) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:19
permalink #119 of 177: Cogito, Ergo Dubito (robertflink) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:19
>It's harder to revise and update history that's been passed through many perceptions over time,as you get farther from the actual facts.< Great immoderation!! Will confidently filtering "history" through the hubris of the present ever help us deal with the stormy present let alone the unknown future? Skepticism suggests that we employ a least a little of that old-fashioned virtue: prudence.
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permalink #120 of 177: (jacob) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:57
permalink #120 of 177: (jacob) Fri 9 Jan 09 10:57
Kunstler is a classic moralist millenarian. Of course, the sins he believes we are guilty of are aesthetic, but his eschatology is perfectly parallel to that of premillenialist Christians. He anticipates a catastrophe brought on by our own wickedness, a sweeping-clean of the masses of humanity, the destruction of all those cultural ills he decries, and afterward, a pastoral Eden of small towns. With very tasteful architecture. And no strip malls. All good fun. But I wouldn't start buying shares in Sears in anticipation of a return to the late 19th century, myself.
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permalink #121 of 177: Dan Flanery (sunspot) Fri 9 Jan 09 13:44
permalink #121 of 177: Dan Flanery (sunspot) Fri 9 Jan 09 13:44
I fear though that Kunstler may be closer to the truth than most, not because solutions to our problems aren't technically possible, but because they will prove to be politically impossible. Roughly half the population has only a tenuous connection to reality, as do their elected representatives. You aren't going to get any effective solutions from that crowd, and our population - and resource consumption - is simply too vast to support us for long if rational policies arent put in place essentially now.
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permalink #122 of 177: (wiggly) Fri 9 Jan 09 15:41
permalink #122 of 177: (wiggly) Fri 9 Jan 09 15:41
bruces, the original Viridian Manifesto listed artificial food in the "What We Want" category. What did you imagine artificial food to be at that time - inkjet bivet steak and GMO pomme frites, Adria's latest creation, or something else entirely? Did food science move in the direction you had in mind?
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permalink #123 of 177: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 9 Jan 09 16:23
permalink #123 of 177: Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Fri 9 Jan 09 16:23
It's the P.C. color, but is soylent green artificial? (Oops, now I sound snotty ;=)
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permalink #124 of 177: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 9 Jan 09 19:33
permalink #124 of 177: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 9 Jan 09 19:33
Keep your soylence, Scott. *8^) Local food is a cause that's happening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_food >>> Local food (also regional food or food patriotism) or the local food movement is a "collaborative effort to build more locally based, self-reliant food economies - one in which sustainable food production, processing, distribution, and consumption is integrated to enhance the economic, environmental and social health of a particular place" and is considered to be a part of the broader sustainability movement. It is part of the concept of local purchasing and local economies, a preference to buy locally produced goods and services. Those who prefer to eat locally grown/produced food sometimes call themselves "localvores" or locavores. <<< So artificial food doesn't seem to be the "what we want" du jour - we seem to want more local farmers' markets and a better sense how to live on just those foods that don't travel.
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permalink #125 of 177: Jamais Cascio (cascio) Fri 9 Jan 09 20:39
permalink #125 of 177: Jamais Cascio (cascio) Fri 9 Jan 09 20:39
I couldn't figure out why Kunstler was so fixated on the end of recorded music and the resurgence in people sitting around singing together until I learned that JHK was an unsuccessful musical theater performer. Aspirational apocaphilia. Local food has a little bit of a faddish quality, in that the carbon benefits aren't always clear-cut (e.g., because of differing ranching practices, lamb raised in New Zealand and shipped to the UK apparently has a lower carbon footprint than lamb raised locally in the UK). Faux meat ("cultured meat", vat-grown meat, meat-jet printers, etc.) could make a big difference to overall carbon footprints, but I suspect we'll be eating kangaroo burgers before we're eating Soylent Steak ("It's Peoplicious!"). Bruce, I haven't seen you do much about geoengineering. With the news today that a combined German/Indian operation is going to do a deep ocean iron feritilization experiment (in contravention of a voluntary moratorium), it just seems more and more likely that geo is going to happen whether we like it or not. Any thoughts on the subject?
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