Please join me in welcoming Tom Vanderbilt for a conversation about his latest book, TRAFFIC, Why We Drive the Way We Do (And What it Says About Us) Tom has written for numerous publications, including The New York Times Magazine, Wired, The Wilson Quarteerly, The London Review of Books, Nest, The Baffler, and The Nation, and is contributing editor at Artforum, I.D., and Print. He is the author of SURVIVAL CITY: Adventures Among the Ruins of Atomic America, and has contributed essays to many other books. We're looking forward to learning about his bestselling, critically acclaimed book, TRAFFIC: Why We Drive the Way We Do (And What it Says About Us), described in the NYTimes Book Review as "surprising, enlightening look at the psychology of human beings behind the steering wheels... Required reading for anyone applying for a driver's license..." and in the Sunday Telegraph as "Fascinating...an incident-packed journey for which it is a pleasure to accept the role of passenger". Guiding our community discussion of TRAFFIC is Sharon Fisher, a long time participant and a host of a remarkable variety of conferences and conversations over the past two decades here at The WELL. Sharon has written about technology for many years. She also writes about politics, city planning, kids and sustainable agriculture, and probably much more that I'm not aware of just yet. Most recently here in the Inkwell project, Sharon led the discussion on the urban chicken raising book. I'll refrain from any musing on fowl street crossing behaviors and just say welcome, Sharon. Glad you're hear, Sharon and Tom. I'm looking forward to learning about TRAFFIC and how it works, or doesn't.
Oh, by the way, there has been some great conversation about the overall subject of traffic in recent weeks on The WELL. Some is car-centric, but it turns out that quite a few people put in their time as bike messengers, and can appreciate the riding strategies in clips like this (made in 2004). I found it moderately disturbing! http://www.digave.com/videos_drag_race.html Are bike riders especially interested in your work? Most of my thinking about roads that need to be revised comes from my time on a bike.
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permalink #2 of 71: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Wed 14 Oct 09 13:11
permalink #2 of 71: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Wed 14 Oct 09 13:11
Thanks, Gail, for getting things started. I read Traffic earlier this summer and a number of us had been raving about it on the Well, which is why it was picked as an Inkwell topic, plus the new paperback version just came out. There was a lot of really provocative stuff in the book, such as the author's contention -- including cited research -- that more signs and warnings and bike lanes and so on might actually make things more dangerous and that having less warning material made drivers drive more carefully.
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permalink #3 of 71: Tom Vanderbilt (tomvanderbilt) Wed 14 Oct 09 13:47
permalink #3 of 71: Tom Vanderbilt (tomvanderbilt) Wed 14 Oct 09 13:47
It's an interesting question, Gail. I hadn't quite anticipated this in writing the book, and I wish in retrospect I had devoted more space though I was already running against my limits, and much had to go on the cutting-room floor as it was to cyclists, a catch-all term that includes me (sometimes). I thought about doing a "cycle" chapter, but decided that was rather patronizing and inconclusive, and instead tried to weave in some bits throughout, where they made sense; the same for "pedestrians," a word that strikes me as odd (there's a post on this at www.howwedrive.com). I joked about doing a "bicycle sequel," but in some ways this was already done by Jeff Mapes in "Pedaling Revolution," among others (though I'd happily oblige if my publisher desired). But in any case, what I think the cycling community may find of interest in the book is the behavioral aspects of drivers, which all-to-often are unfortunately a case of know-thy-enemy, in this country at least. One joked with me that he while liked my book, he didn't need it to to appreciate the perceptual shortcomings, distracted tendencies, or aggressive underpinnings of driver behavior out there on the road. He was already living it. And perhaps something about the nature of inter-modal relations, something I'll be writing a bit more about for a magazine soon. One other thing to note: In sporadically doing the blog subsequent to the book, I've found that cyclists or advocates (like Mikael at Copenhagenize or the folks at Bike Portland, among many others) have been some of the most supportive, or vocal in their opinions (I could have written an entire chapter about the divided opinion over cycle lanes, and perhaps another one over what TYPE of cycle lane; really much more so than drivers per se. It's such an engaged community in general the blogs! which perhaps shouldn't surprise; and probably the reason it's more engaged is that it's not the sort of default setting of transportation the way a car is in this country. Despite the numerous rewards that may come (for the rider and society), it takes an initial leap of faith in many places to get on the bike for anything but a weekend jaunt, and so it's almost more of a self-selecting group, all more or less fighting for more space on the road, greater rights and respect, etc. No one really thinks much of themselves as a politically engaged, activist "driver," except for some fringe autobahn enthusiasts who think the roads should be limited to highly trained drivers moving at very high speeds (something of the flavor of early fin-de-siecle motoring). And are there that many people out there who really want to get a lot more driving into their lives?
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permalink #4 of 71: Tom Vanderbilt (tomvanderbilt) Wed 14 Oct 09 13:48
permalink #4 of 71: Tom Vanderbilt (tomvanderbilt) Wed 14 Oct 09 13:48
And hello Sharon, I think your post came in synchronous to mine!
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permalink #5 of 71: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Wed 14 Oct 09 14:19
permalink #5 of 71: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Wed 14 Oct 09 14:19
"Slippage," we call it on the Well. What sort of reaction did you get to the hardback edition of the book?
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permalink #6 of 71: die die must try (debbie) Wed 14 Oct 09 16:50
permalink #6 of 71: die die must try (debbie) Wed 14 Oct 09 16:50
I haven't read the book, but I want to! I spent a year in Bangalore where the traffic laws are very very different, and it certainly seemed like there were many fewer signs and a lot more traffic, and very diverse traffic and very few accidents. It also seemed to scary to drive, if you are used to the US style of driving. I also saw almost no anger while people were driving - the only hand gesture was a sort of why are you doing what you are doing. In general I am a public transit person rather than a drive myself sort of person. fascinating topic.
(Quick aside -- if you want to see the amazon listing for the book, here's a handy tiny link: <http://tinyurl.com/traffic-amazon> ; and if you want to tell friends about this conversation, or blog, tweet or post about it off-site, here's a link to the external view of this very topic: <http://tinyurl.com/inkwell-traffic> Also, if you are reading along without being logged in you are welcome to register, but you can also email a question for posting - send it to inkwell@well.com and put "traffic" in the subject line.)
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permalink #8 of 71: die die must try (debbie) Wed 14 Oct 09 17:41
permalink #8 of 71: die die must try (debbie) Wed 14 Oct 09 17:41
The QA at amazon is interesting. One thing I saw in India is that when people needed to merge in, then they were allowed in without any attitude or sense of indignation, just a sense of we are all in this together and nobody wants an accident. Also the attitude towards pedestrians is so different. Anyway, it changed my whole view of US traffic. Have you tried driving in places like Vietnam/China/India? In some ways I found the motorcycle taxis of Bangkok scary, but so convenient, also the three wheelers in India.
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permalink #9 of 71: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Wed 14 Oct 09 18:14
permalink #9 of 71: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Wed 14 Oct 09 18:14
I wonder if it's just me, but I believe that when I try to move over lanes before making a turn, the person in the lane I'm trying to enter speeds up to block me. So I've started speeding up pretending I was going to cut in and when the person sped up, slowed down and moved over. Is that just me or is it a more general phenomenon?
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permalink #10 of 71: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 14 Oct 09 21:46
permalink #10 of 71: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 14 Oct 09 21:46
It's not just you.
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permalink #11 of 71: Lisa Harris (lrph) Thu 15 Oct 09 06:51
permalink #11 of 71: Lisa Harris (lrph) Thu 15 Oct 09 06:51
It's not just you. I noticed the same kind of "we're in it together" in COsta Rica.
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permalink #12 of 71: David Julian Gray (djg) Thu 15 Oct 09 06:57
permalink #12 of 71: David Julian Gray (djg) Thu 15 Oct 09 06:57
Most certainly not you - our fellow drivers appear to be mostly a grossly, almost perversely inconsiderate group focused on asserting their power. I haven't read Tom's book, yet - but this topic sent to the blog and I do want to read the book... Until recently, I made being a gracious and accomodating sharer of the roads a conscious, spiritual practice ... I say, "until recently" because for the past 5 months I've been exclusively a bicycle commuter ... which is an exercise in self-preservation... they (automobile drivers) are all out to kill me... I got hooked on it in the summer - when everyone was on vacation and I arrived at work pleasantly spent, nearly giddy, entirely stress free ... but that was then ... Switching focus... I will post a story I love to tell, and have told elsewhere on the well, but which fits well here ... Walking in the hills above Piedmont, CA with my dad years ago - we looked down on 13 at rush hour and I pointed out to him how traffic on limited access roads, when it reached a certain density, started to move in pulse waves. "Of course," he replied: "any merge lane becomes an impedence mismatch, and impedence mismatches always cause standing waves." I nodded, having learned this from audio engineering. He took a beat and then added: "and what does this tells us about free will?"
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permalink #13 of 71: Tom Vanderbilt (tomvanderbilt) Thu 15 Oct 09 07:54
permalink #13 of 71: Tom Vanderbilt (tomvanderbilt) Thu 15 Oct 09 07:54
I have to second jmcarlin's suspicion that people often actually speed up when you signal to indicate you want to change lanes. I don't have a good theory for this, other than perhaps they suddenly sense that vacate space ahead of them has become more "valuable," or of course they're simply being selfish jerks. A related pet-peeve is the "eternal signaller," who I WANT to let in but takes so long to actually do so that it ends up causing frustration. In any case, it raises the question of whether one should signal at all, because, as someone joked in Boston, that's "revealing your intentions to the enemy." On the "in it together" idea, I have noticed versions of this in other countries. Horn honking, for example, which can often be taken quite personally and with hostility in the U.S. (and of course is often done with hostility), simply becomes a form of highly repeated communication in countries like India. It carries no personal connotation at all, it is simply a ubiquitous sound, often used to signal to other drivers it's not safe for them to change lanes the whole effect reminded me of the emergent behavior of flocks of birds, where the little movements among individual neighbors in the flock are what determines the whole flock's movement. I once saw a paper that talked about traffic behavior in the context of a country's economic system. Was it a truly "free" market, where prices were set by interactions among the buyer and seller? Horn honking in this case is just a form of negotiation, "traffic haggling" if you will. In more "fixed economy" places like the U.S., we generally rely on set mechanisms, not just for our prices but for our sense of rights and justice. Our traffic interaction, like our price mechanisms, are largely agreed upon ahead of time, enshrined by law, etc., and so we become particularly upset when someone violates those rights on the road, the way we would feel particularly violated if someone overcharged us for something. In a country like China (at least this paper argued), being ripped off just means you lost the advantage, and you'll do better next time. You don't take it as personally. This is crude cultural anthropology, I realize, but there might be something there. I just saw a presentation at Honda R&D last week in which a person had done some interviewing of driver's attitudes across the world, and he had the suspicion that in countries that were less motorized than the U.S., like India for example, there was a greater sense of the pedestrian as a fellow human being, a greater sense of responsibility for their well-being, perhaps an artifact of the idea that more people are pedestrians more often to begin with, that being a car owner is a relatively recent phenomena for much of the population. In the U.S. I find there's an inherent bias by car drivers against any other form of transportation; almost an attitude that if you're not driving a car you haven't fulfilled your life goals or some such. Of course, having respect for pedestrians does not always equate to safety: India currently leads the world in traffic fatalities, and most of them are the so-called "vulnerable road users."
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permalink #14 of 71: Tom Vanderbilt (tomvanderbilt) Thu 15 Oct 09 08:52
permalink #14 of 71: Tom Vanderbilt (tomvanderbilt) Thu 15 Oct 09 08:52
I have to second jmcarlin's suspicion that people often actually speed up when you signal to indicate you want to change lanes. I don't have a good theory for this, other than perhaps they suddenly sense that vacate space ahead of them has become more "valuable," or of course they're simply being selfish jerks. A related pet-peeve is the "eternal signaller," who I WANT to let in but takes so long to actually do so that it ends up causing frustration. In any case, it raises the question of whether one should signal at all, because, as someone joked in Boston, that's "revealing your intentions to the enemy." On the "in it together" idea, I have noticed versions of this in other countries. Horn honking, for example, which can often be taken quite personally and with hostility in the U.S. (and of course is often done with hostility), simply becomes a form of highly repeated communication in countries like India. It carries no personal connotation at all, it is simply a ubiquitous sound, often used to signal to other drivers it's not safe for them to change lanes the whole effect reminded me of the emergent behavior of flocks of birds, where the little movements among individual neighbors in the flock are what determines the whole flock's movement. I once saw a paper that talked about traffic behavior in the context of a country's economic system. Was it a truly "free" market, where prices were set by interactions among the buyer and seller? Horn honking in this case is just a form of negotiation, "traffic haggling" if you will. In more "fixed economy" places like the U.S., we generally rely on set mechanisms, not just for our prices but for our sense of rights and justice. Our traffic interaction, like our price mechanisms, are largely agreed upon ahead of time, enshrined by law, etc., and so we become particularly upset when someone violates those rights on the road, the way we would feel particularly violated if someone overcharged us for something. In a country like China (at least this paper argued), being ripped off just means you lost the advantage, and you'll do better next time. You don't take it as personally. This is crude cultural anthropology, I realize, but there might be something there. I just saw a presentation at Honda R&D last week in which a person had done some interviewing of driver's attitudes across the world, and he had the suspicion that in countries that were less motorized than the U.S., like India for example, there was a greater sense of the pedestrian as a fellow human being, a greater sense of responsibility for their well-being, perhaps an artifact of the idea that more people are pedestrians more often to begin with, that being a car owner is a relatively recent phenomena for much of the population. In the U.S. I find there's an inherent bias by car drivers against any other form of transportation; almost an attitude that if you're not driving a car you haven't fulfilled your life goals or some such. Of course, having respect for pedestrians does not always equate to safety: India currently leads the world in traffic fatalities, and most of them are the so-called "vulnerable road users."
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permalink #15 of 71: Every Acid Dealer Gets Busted Eventually (rik) Thu 15 Oct 09 09:27
permalink #15 of 71: Every Acid Dealer Gets Busted Eventually (rik) Thu 15 Oct 09 09:27
Primate behavior, pure and simple. And much traffic behavior is understandable from that standpoint. After years of observation, I'm convinced that humans spend far more time operating out of unconscious drives than they know, and that they later rationalize these actions after the fact, giving themselves the illusion that they think their way through life.
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permalink #16 of 71: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 15 Oct 09 12:04
permalink #16 of 71: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 15 Oct 09 12:04
David, that question from your dad in <13> above is amazing. "What does this tell us about free will" indeed! The physics of traffic and the emotional or even logical approaches drivers take can certainly be at odds. Most of us don't get the "impedence mismatch" talk from our dads. (I had to look it up, though I know what a standing wave is from river rafting, where the boulders most likely mess with the impedence.) We don't learn this stuff. In fact, we get pretty darned horrible teachings from movies and even car commercials where all the other vehicles are standing still and our hero (the newest car model) weaves and zips through. Tom, what do you think of the promise and the reality of driver education, in the US or in other driving cultures?
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permalink #17 of 71: paralyzed by a question like that (debunix) Thu 15 Oct 09 16:27
permalink #17 of 71: paralyzed by a question like that (debunix) Thu 15 Oct 09 16:27
And how much does years of video games change new driver's attitudes toward the teaching they do get?
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permalink #18 of 71: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Thu 15 Oct 09 21:34
permalink #18 of 71: Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Thu 15 Oct 09 21:34
How people behave about things like horn honking and speeding up vs. giving you space is very location dependent. I had to change my driving behavior a lot when I moved from the Bay Area to Idaho. On the other hand, though they're close geographically and culturally, Boise and Sal Lake City are very different in terms of driving personalities.
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permalink #19 of 71: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Thu 15 Oct 09 22:03
permalink #19 of 71: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Thu 15 Oct 09 22:03
Good point. I'm not sure if it's still the same, but many years ago I was in Boston for a business trip. I wound up in a traffic circle and felt like I had to think "I have a rental car and I don't care" to fight my way to exit on my street. But my favorite story is of a commercial I saw during the late 60's when I attended grad school in Postdam, NY which is close to the Canadian border. We used to watch TV from Canada. One night there was a public service ad asking people to be careful to not run into snow plows which I guess was a problem. I remember seeing all sorts of warning lights, signs etc on the plow. The tag line was something like: What do we need to do? Have a tail gunner? At which point a cheerful person slowly rose up on the back of a cartoon plow with a machine gun. It's been 40 years, but I still remember that, partly I suppose because I sometimes want to have a tail gun when people tail gate. I do wonder what kind of effective ads there are out there, outside of the one I remember, of course.
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permalink #20 of 71: die die must try (debbie) Fri 16 Oct 09 04:42
permalink #20 of 71: die die must try (debbie) Fri 16 Oct 09 04:42
there is NO, I mean, NO respect for pedestrians in India. trust me on this, seriously, it is your job to run to get out of the way. cars do not slow down, you learn do not walk in front of a car, if you have no choice at least walk in front of the auto-rickshaw or a scooter. the more expensive the vehicle the more respect you get.
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permalink #21 of 71: Lisa Harris (lrph) Fri 16 Oct 09 05:30
permalink #21 of 71: Lisa Harris (lrph) Fri 16 Oct 09 05:30
Tom, what brought you to the subject of traffic for this book?
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permalink #22 of 71: Tom Vanderbilt (tomvanderbilt) Fri 16 Oct 09 06:37
permalink #22 of 71: Tom Vanderbilt (tomvanderbilt) Fri 16 Oct 09 06:37
So many good questions here, but to try to touch upon them all. As for why I wrote the book, the moment is described in the first chapter and is a real story so I'll leave that. As for the snow-plow warning signs, an interesting fact about snow plows is that they're struck at a higher rate than other vehicles, which is surprising given the fact that they're a.) huge b.) orange and c.) topped with flashing lights. Yes, reduced traction has something to do with it, but another big issue people don't appreciate is that in snowstorms, contrast is reduced, which helps create an illusion that people are driving more slowly than they may think they are. Ditto with fog. It's not visibility (though that they can be a factor too) as much as perceptual shortcoming. As for driver education, to paraphrase what Ghandi said about Western civilization, I think it would be a good idea. It's definitely underemphasized in this country. And while people do not with alarm that high-school driver's ed classes have been cut, this itself has nothing to do with safety. IN fact, several big studies have come to the conclusion that drivers who took high school driver's ed did no better (and often worse) than other future drivers. The only thing that has measurably helped reduce teen driver deaths is the GDL program, which limits their exposure and helps mitigate the 'young driver paradox' they need experience to get better, but gaining that experience is incredibly dangerous. I also tried to find out whether certain countries "did it better," but the evidence is lacking here as well. Germany's been said to have one of the toughest licensing regimes in Europe, but Germany's not near the top in terms of traffic safety. All this is not to say drivers shouldn't have more training, etc., but the whole curriculum and approach really needs an overhaul, which is happening in certain places. As for video games, there have been some interesting studies that linked video game players with better peripheral vision, reflexes, etc. etc. And this links up in a way with some efforts to use computer programs to increase the 'useful field of view' of older drivers. But as for younger drivers, whether they have faster reflexes due to video games is really beside the point, for its not skills per se that get them into trouble (or keep them out of it), its poor decision-making, inability to accurately gauge risk, failure to treat the larger traffic system in social terms that really gets them into trouble.
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permalink #23 of 71: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Fri 16 Oct 09 06:44
permalink #23 of 71: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Fri 16 Oct 09 06:44
I learned to drive as a teenager at a private driving school because the high school I was going to had no driver ed program. The guy who taught me was a German. He was great. He taught me to think about what I was doing, to look far ahead, and to keep everything smooth and steady. Decades later, I still drive the way he taught me. My daughter, who will drive (shudder) in a couple of years, recently asked me why I always drove so slowly. I don't, actually, but I do keep a distance between myself and other cars on the road, which she perceived as going slowly. To me, the most mysterious driving behavior is people who tailgate at NASCAR distances routinely. Lots of people seem to do this. I know how the guys in NASCAR do it -- they're freakishly talented athletes. There seems to be a widespread delusion that average drivers can handle being only a few feet from the car in front of them.
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permalink #24 of 71: paralyzed by a question like that (debunix) Fri 16 Oct 09 07:28
permalink #24 of 71: paralyzed by a question like that (debunix) Fri 16 Oct 09 07:28
My question about video games mostly relates to the fact that in video games you are encouraged to drive like a NASCAR guy and who cares if your car crashes from time to time? Wondering if it there is a way to determine how much their perceptions about what is normal driving are influenced by these games, and for that matter, by watching a lot of NASCAR on TV....
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permalink #25 of 71: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Fri 16 Oct 09 08:36
permalink #25 of 71: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Fri 16 Oct 09 08:36
I've tried driving at those distances just to see what it's like. It scares the crap out of me. I can't do it for more than a few seconds. And while no daredevil, neither am I a scaredy cat.
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