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permalink #101 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 7 Jan 10 20:14
permalink #101 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 7 Jan 10 20:14
From what I've read so far, Fallows seems to be saying that American society is strong and resilient, but American government and politics are a weird skanky mess, getting worse, probably beyond repair. I agree; that relates to the point I've made about participation. It seems to me that the only hope to make government functional is for those outside government to be attentive, and for those who are both passionate and knowledgeable to be plugged in... rather than deferring responsibility to broken and dysfunctional political crankery. Sure, there'll be obnoxious inputs - like the teabaggers, birthers, et al. All the more reason for the rest of us to be fired up, vocal, engaged.
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permalink #102 of 223: for dixie southern iraq (stet) Fri 8 Jan 10 01:27
permalink #102 of 223: for dixie southern iraq (stet) Fri 8 Jan 10 01:27
You also have to have a consensus that government isn't intrinsically evil. The old Ronald Reagan line about "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" was not funny in the context of (for example) Katrina - but it keeps destroying ability to act on all kinds of pressing needs.
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permalink #103 of 223: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Fri 8 Jan 10 05:20
permalink #103 of 223: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Fri 8 Jan 10 05:20
I don't see how you can have a functional country without a functional government. Although to circle back a few posts, the Italians seem to have been doing their best for generations. Most seriously, though, what amounts to the nihilism of the anti-government Reaganite right may well doom us to a societal collapse.
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permalink #104 of 223: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Fri 8 Jan 10 05:40
permalink #104 of 223: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Fri 8 Jan 10 05:40
Of course, to give idiots their due, looking at the last few decades of governance it's hard not to feel a bit of nihilism. The nature of American corruption has really changed. Nixon ended up with a few million, LBJ got his radio/tv empire, again pretty small potatoes. Eisenhower got a really swell retirement farm. But we now have a degree of connection between really major crooks and government that we haven't seen in over 100 years. Of course the irony is that those on the far right don't understand that their own heroes are among the worst, but they're not entirely wrong about the disease even if their idea of a cure is nuts.
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permalink #105 of 223: Harmless drudge (ckridge) Fri 8 Jan 10 07:50
permalink #105 of 223: Harmless drudge (ckridge) Fri 8 Jan 10 07:50
If the basic structure of government is wrong, public participation in government will amount to many people busily turning a crank that isn't attached to anything. And, in the case of California, the basic structure of government is wrong because a large segment of the public wanted it wrong. They did participate: they broke the government.
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permalink #106 of 223: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Fri 8 Jan 10 09:18
permalink #106 of 223: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Fri 8 Jan 10 09:18
What you say is basically true.
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permalink #107 of 223: bill braasch (bbraasch) Fri 8 Jan 10 09:38
permalink #107 of 223: bill braasch (bbraasch) Fri 8 Jan 10 09:38
I remember a weekend when the CHP went on strike. I've never seen cars go so fast on the Bay Bridge. One day of that and the strike was over, but what a day we had. On all levels it's a cat and mouse game. We'd like not too many cats when we're mousing around, not too many mice around our catbird seat. Lenny Bruce has a riff in the Berkeley Concert on the invention of police. "I was sleeping and I got a face full of crap!" Next thing you know, we gotta have a craphouse. <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://popup.lala.com/popup/937030201816428413&ei= KmxHS4SyDYjAsgOJ1t22Aw&sa=X&oi=music_play_track&resnum=2&ct=result&cd=2&ved=0C AwQ0wQoATAA&usg=AFQjCNE0m6-8bR9p6OSjF2K07ajajopmXA>
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permalink #108 of 223: bill braasch (bbraasch) Fri 8 Jan 10 09:39
permalink #108 of 223: bill braasch (bbraasch) Fri 8 Jan 10 09:39
here's a shorter link to that <http://popup.lala.com/popup/937030201816428413>
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permalink #109 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 8 Jan 10 13:47
permalink #109 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 8 Jan 10 13:47
"If anybody throws any crap on us while we are sleeping, they'll get thrown in the craphouse." "But wait a minute... everybody? What if it's my mother?" He gets a faceful of crap, and says wait a minute, I thought we had a rule. And they tell him it's a religious holiday, and besides, if he's going to be indecent and sleeping all day, he deserves a faceful of crap. Not too long before Lenny was gone, worn down by his battle for the freedom to talk about the sort of things onstage that everybody was doing and talking about, but not openly, not in public. Pretty minor stuff compared to today's standup routines, but they busted him hard for it. Some would really like to reconstitute that oppressive era. They seem rather quaint, today. Bruce said he might be offline for a couple of days; we can carry on without him til he's connected again, or until we form a search party. Perhaps he's boldly gone where no man has gone before, into the wormholes. While we wait, feel free to chime in with your own thoughts about the state of the world. There's something meaningful, I think, in the fact that Lost fans are lobbying hard to have the U.S. State of the Union address rescheduled so they can see the first episode of the last few. Priorities.
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permalink #110 of 223: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 8 Jan 10 15:44
permalink #110 of 223: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 8 Jan 10 15:44
Perhaps they could consider TiVo?
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permalink #111 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 8 Jan 10 21:06
permalink #111 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 8 Jan 10 21:06
I think the idea is that the speech would preempt the episode and delay it another week. And they've been waiting for MONTHS. And it's probably more real to them than the State of the Union address. Obama, after all, will address only one dimension of linear time. He's going to talk about healthcare reform and putting people back to work, pretty mundane topics, only whimper-level apocalyptic. Lost fans are after the bang. Appears it's sinking in with Obama that he can't afford to be cool. He has to kick some ass with this address, so I personally think it'll be more interesting than Lost, even if it is fairly fixed in time and space.
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permalink #112 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 9 Jan 10 05:33
permalink #112 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 9 Jan 10 05:33
You can call off the Saint Bernards, I'm here in Belgrade. Odd, springlike weather here as Arctic snow blankets Britain. By Belgrade standards, the town looks terrific. Never seen glum, crumbly Beograd looking so perky. It's like last month's dissolution of the Schengen visa barrier set off a starting gun to turn a Slavic cyberpunk dystopia into Euro-Disney. The population's much better-dressed, new stores are springing up everywhere, the tabloids are full of harmless busty pin-up chicks and tennis stars instead of the customary profiteers and war goons... Some kind of major tourist-promotion effort also seems to be underway. It's busily emphasizing all the cuddliest, most Ruritanian aspects of Serbian society, stuff like eco-tourism, ruined castles, hand-loomed aprons and elfin leather shoes. *Locals talk about "the crisis," but mere financial collapse seems pretty small potatoes compared to the last 20 years of local daily life. If you're a 20 year old kid in Belgrade right now, it feels like someone peeled back the drapes and threw open a window for the first time in your life.
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permalink #113 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 10 06:54
permalink #113 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 10 06:54
That sounds cheery. Maybe we're drifting into the alternate universe where Mr. Potter loses his bank and all his money, and is tossed into prison with the likes of Bernie Madoff, while George Bailey creates a cohousing co-op with an alternative currency and starts planting community gardens and setting up windmills. And everybody's texting how great life is, after all.
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permalink #114 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 10 10:04
permalink #114 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 10 10:04
I think we have a few discussions hanging, waiting for your filters to kick in, so I won't bring anything else up at this point. I should note that Obama assures "Lost" fans that he won't pre-empt their show, so there's one global crisis averted.
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permalink #115 of 223: 4 days behind (satyr) Sat 9 Jan 10 11:23
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permalink #116 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 10 13:02
permalink #116 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 10 13:02
Worldwatch Insititute has released a preview of State of the World 2010, which you can download for free: http://budurl.com/sow2010 "Amid this flurry of activity, one dimension of our environmental dilemma remains largely neglected: its cultural roots. As consumerism has taken root in culture upon culture over the past half-century, it has become a powerful driver of the inexorable increase in demand for resources and production of waste that marks our age. Of course, environmental impacts on this scale would not be possible without an unprecedented population explosion, rising affluence, and breakthroughs in science and technology. But consumer cultures support and exaggeratethe other forces that have allowed human societies to outgrow their environmental support systems."
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permalink #117 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 9 Jan 10 14:41
permalink #117 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 9 Jan 10 14:41
I enjoy reading Worldwatch, but I'm starting to wonder about the culture of consumerism. People who've never had any consumerism around tend to take it to pretty well (and that still counts for most people alive on Earth). But as a way of life, a culture, consumerism seems to me to be showing its age. Designers know a whole lot about consumerism... after all, they're making this seductive stuff and packing in the ol' shelf-appeal. I know a lot of designers, but I never met a designer who was a "consumer." They're eager collectors of objects, sometimes, but they're never spotted gleefully hauling cartfuls of consumer goods out of the Wal-Mart so as to keep up with the Joneses. *Designers are not thrifty and abstemious people, or morally opposed to materialism. They just don't go for the story there, in much the same way that guys at the Hershey factory don't glut themselves on candy bars every morning. *The kingpin of "50-year-old consumer culture" is the car. The car is the ultimate big-bang consumer item. Especially young guys with some disposable income and no kids -- these guys used to have a burning consumer lust for cars, really unfeigned and enthusiastic and intense. It was all about personal power, sex appeal, status, prestige. It seemed totally natural, at the time. I really sense a major disenchantment and a jaded loss of interest there, and not just because I hang out in Turin and I've seen what's left of Detroit. *It's not that cars have no modern use for people, but the social attitudes toward them, the sense of cultural aspiration... People go through the motions about cars, but the fierce glee's not there any more. Even the car companies don't have it. The promotional machinery of mass media is gone. The huge sums spent to build that awareness and fan those consumer needs is going somewhere else. *It's rather like people's sudden discovery that they don't like newspapers. What, how? How could people not like newspapers? Newspapers are the news. They're power, politics, business, the women's pages, the book reviews, the movie schedules, and also chock-full of car ads... Then it turns out they really existed because they were grouping information around a narrow channel of supply and demand which no longer exists. *I suspect that rather a lot of consumer goods are in a similar situation to newspapers... if you weren't repeatedly told that you wanted this, if there were other methods to accomplish similar aims... would you want that thing, even if it were free? Maybe you can get something else that performs almost as well, over at the Chinese grocery, and it costs one tenth as much... Maybe it can be a service instead of an item... or maybe you're a bottom-feeder, you're living off Craigslist, not because you're thrifty, but because shopping is boring to you, it's ungainly and old-fashioned, it's too much trouble nowadays.
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permalink #118 of 223: david gault (dgault) Sat 9 Jan 10 20:50
permalink #118 of 223: david gault (dgault) Sat 9 Jan 10 20:50
going back to the beginning of this discussion, Bruce states (to illustrate the difficulty of planning for long term financial stability): You want to give your Dad, back in 1974, a coherent picture of what 2010 looks like. You know, something very actionable, lucid and practical, where he can just slap the cash on the counter and everything works out great for the family. If Dad's cash had gone into Chevron shares at $3.00 each, things would be looking pretty good for the family. Whether the same is true for young dad's of today, I don't know. But it's a definite possibility.
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permalink #119 of 223: david gault (dgault) Sat 9 Jan 10 20:52
permalink #119 of 223: david gault (dgault) Sat 9 Jan 10 20:52
apostrophe error, my bad
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permalink #120 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 10 22:29
permalink #120 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 9 Jan 10 22:29
That point about the loss of enthusiasm for the car, for consumer goods, for really intense marathon shopping experiences... it feels like a symptom of depression. And maybe that's the difference between economic depression vs garden variety recession... a real loss of energy and motivation. I saw it at Christmas - the shoppers didn't really hit the streets and stores until the last week, and on my few excursions into mainstream retail environments, everybody I saw seemed shell-shocked. I think we're in a real transition, that the world is changed forever. I don't mean in a dystopian or apocalyptic sense. It's a whimper, not bang, sort of change. We're confronted with our real limitations. Resources are not infinite. Our energies ebb and flow. We're mortal after all. Somehow this seems liberating.
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permalink #121 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 10 02:47
permalink #121 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 10 02:47
*Chevron stock, is it? Well, buying into oil has seemed like the big easy money ever since the Beverly Hillbillies. *If you own oil wells, people come and kill you for oil. If you own financial instruments that represent oil, you're not doing all that great either. If you own Exxon-Mobil stock, you're complicit in the collapse of civilization. I wouldn't be urging anybody back in the 70s energy crisis to jump right on top of that stuff. *There are such things as indexed vice stocks. Where you invest in enterprises that are evil, and that everybody knows and says are evil. Gambling, tobacco, porn... Vice stocks tend to do pretty well, but lately, even the vice stocks haven't been doing all that great. Not even cynicism pays. *For porn to lose money is an awesome development. Porn is the ultimate hybrid of consumerism and sex. Bigger than Hollywood, huge. Or at least it used to be. Pr0n got the full-scale disruptive de-monetization treatment. You can always say that "men's lustful needs are eternal, so that lust must have gone somewhere else," but men's lustful needs for *commercial, consumerized, profitable* lust are not eternal. They're just a period artifact. Porn is probably as old as the Willendorf Venus but mass-produced consumer porn is not much older than recorded music. *I just saw somebody's painfully compiled list of porn stars on Twitter. Porn stars have a tough line of work, they don't exactly stand on their dignity, but jeez, to see 'em reduced to Twittering? Next somebody's gonna tell 'em that they need to do what broke musicians have to do and specialize in personal performances. *Look at this strange thing. Got it off William Gibson's Twitter stream. It's a NAVY SEAL watch called the "Beverly Hills Boutique Incursion model." http://bit.ly/5iCdet *I'm sure that knicknack was designed by some GenXer who's all chuckling to himself about his edgy postmodern subversiveness, but that's a consumerist crisis-of-faith thing going on there. It's like some parody out of ADBUSTERS, only less self-righteous. It somehow reminds me of Soviet red-hot jazz stars or swoony Third Reich movie divas, guys who were really hep and chicks who were really sexy, but under hopelessly oxymoronic conditions, just... nowhere to advance to and nothing left to conserve.
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permalink #122 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 10 02:53
permalink #122 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 10 02:53
*You can make an argument that consumers who have lost their taste for Hershey bars are just plain old. The planet is aging rapidly. Old people aren't building fresh nests, they don't need to stock up on kitchenware and white goods. *So the question would be, what are 24-year-olds up to. People 24 years old have income and lack responsible burdens, so they represent futurity because they're doing things that won't reappear until 20 years later when they're rich grownups. American 24 year olds are fighting two land wars in a depression. I would expect the attitudes inculcated there to last a while, even if we have some sudden miracle boom from turning grass into diamonds.
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permalink #123 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 10 03:08
permalink #123 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 10 03:08
*I'm very keen on the worst-case scenario, because, as a novelist, it's the easiest place to find important things that most people aren't talking about. *But I also fret about people's lack of a best-case scenario. People rarely think hard enough about what to do when their wishes come true. They can't take yes for an answer, and that's bad. When they win the lottery -- somebody's gonna win it, come on -- they're all bewildered and dubious and anhedonic. They don't know how to shape up and accept the social realities of a massive success; they don't know how to become respectable, they don't know how to join or maintain a ruling class; they're jittery and freaky, like mafia dons or rock and roll idols. *Confronting a huge success is not the same as greedy daydreaming or getting jumped-up above your proper station. The best-case should just be part of a conceptual toolkit, a mental framework for confronting possible developments. We don't prepare people for that; we urge them to get rich, but once they are rich, they have to depend on pure hokum folk-wisdom. *"Preppies" used to be rich kids in preparatory schools who were getting ready to join dad's East Coast Establishment. Today "preppers" are worried teabag types stocking crowbars and road-flares in the basement. Neither one of 'em seem to be prepared for anything that's particularly plausible.
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permalink #124 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 10 07:19
permalink #124 of 223: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 10 Jan 10 07:19
Here's a US-centric perspective... The jobless rate is at 10% and probably growing, but most of the people I know, many in their twenties and thirties, aren't in those stats, because they've been coworking and freelancing. Those who were in traditional jobs and were laid off were really a kind of human sacrifice - many of those companies showed big profits precisely because they gutted their workforce. And the financial firms aren't sweating too much, I just heard that Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan Chase posted their biggest profits ever. Credit card operations are raking it in because, absent any regulations to present usury, they've boosted their rates into loan-shark ranges. (A law was passed to rein them in, but Congress built in a delay because they "needed it to prepare." I heard Barney Franks say they'd promised not to go wild raising rates in the interim, but according to him, they promptly broke that promise.) Point is that, at the moment, the rich are indeed getting richer and the poor - and middle-class - is getting poorer. I'm hearing that companies will have to start hiring again, because they cut more jobs than they could bear for too long, just to balance the books and then some. It's smart for Obama to say that jobs are his new priority, knowing that widespread hiring must resume soon enough. Or maybe they'll outsource, in which case the freelancing coworkers will get a boost. It strikes me that nobody has a handle on any of this, really. I know conspiracy theorists who have explanations, essentially that shadowy powerful entities are pulling strings, and none of us can see their manipulations through the fog of managed media. Social media is just more, sort of populist, fog. The better investigative journalist enterprises are starving for money, so reporting will only get worse, unless people like Jay Rosen, Evan Smith, Dan Gillmor, and Pete Lewis figure out new funding models and maybe partnerships between journalists and bloggers. There's a whole culture of angry right-wing extremists with a very narrow view of reality. They're pissed off, for instance, about climate change - they deny that it's happening... it's just a plot cooked up by - don't know who, exactly. Scientists, to get grant money? Speculators, to create a new carbon economy? A troll on Twitter tried to engage me with tweets about Obama, the financial abyss he's supposed to fix, and climate change as a scam to fleece the world. You can feel the anger in his comments - this guy is pissed off and spoiling for a fight. There's a whole army of those guys, stewing in the juices of social media echo chambers and mid-media propaganda machines. Their perception is so distorted, you can't even talk to 'em. I feel for those guys, they're in a lot of pain. I find myself wishing that I could engage them in conversation, that they would listen with fresh, objective ears and think about what's real. I'd have to do that, too, of course. I have my own conditions and biases and could be just as wrong as anybody. Nobody really knows. Last night I was lying in my bed in a deep theta state, and it came to me that I'm a relatively harmonious aggregate of cells and patterns in a universe that is beyond my imagining... and my own lame attempts to find meaning at a cosmic level are laughable. I don't have any idea why I'm here, why you're here, what any of this means or whether it means anything. The universe could be random, could be a great conscious entity with interdependent components struggling at self-definition moment by moment, it could be a creation of some god-entity whose plan for it is obscure. I just have no clue. I meditate and can barely get a handle on my own delusion. That might have been a moment of kensho - enlightenment - or more delusion. Whatever it was, it reminded me that human consciousness is a blind spot.
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permalink #125 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 10 08:11
permalink #125 of 223: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 10 Jan 10 08:11
I can remember asking Russians what had gone wrong with Soviet society, and why they were flailing in their Transition, and I used to get such marvelous answers. They were rich and much-pondered and super-detailed, with all kinds of amazing war-stories and out-there anecdotal evidence, and no two of 'em ever agreed on anything. That might have been okay, if they'd just worshipped the Almighty Dollar. You don't have to fret overly about the deep meanings and the missed opportunities when everything's available for cash. Of course, if that sheet anchor breaks, you're exposed to the same existential disturbances you had earlier, only more so. "If you're so rich, why aren't you smart?" "If all you get is nailed, everything looks like a hammer."
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