Healthcare as an industry and a practice has been approaching crisis related in no small part to escalating costs and increasing load - more and more people needing care, especially with healthcare reform increasing the number of people with some form of health insurance. Healthcare is also overdue to feel the full impact of digital convergence - there's pressure to move from written/analog to electronic/digital health records, and there's the potential to develop revolutionary personal healthcare and wellness systems. Add to this the fact that patients are empowered by access to information via Internet technology, and a new participatory system of healthcare is evolving. Participatory Medicine is defined as "a model of medical care in which the active role of the patient is emphasized. The term participatory medicine has been used at least as early as 2000 to mean one or more of four interrelated ideas: A group of people who suffer from a chronic disease form a community (often an online community, a support group) to share information and mutually support each other. Members of a patient community (or members of a community disproportionately affected by a disease) play important roles in community health decision-making. Patients play a role as part of collaborative "treatment teams" addressing their diseases. A patient is "mindfully" involved in treatment, by making behavioral changes, meditating, or similar acts. Joining us to discuss the future of healthcare and participatory medicine are Healthcare Futurist Joe Flower and members of the Society for Participatory Medicine: Alan and Cheryl Greene, "ePatient Dave" deBronkart, Danny Sands, Dan Hoch, and Jon Lebkowsky, who will facilitate the discussion. With nearly 30 years experience, Joe Flower has emerged as a premier observer and thought leader on the deep forces changing healthcare in the United States and around the world. As a healthcare speaker, writer, and consultant, he has explored the future of healthcare with clients ranging from the World Health Organization, the Global Business Network, and the U.K. National Health Service, to the majority of state hospital associations in the U.S. as well as many of the provincial associations and ministries in Canada, and an extraordinary variety of other players across healthcare - professional associations, pharmaceutical companies, device manufacturers, health plans, physician groups, and numerous hospitals. He has been a consultant on change and the future with the U.S. Department of Defense, Airbus and ArianeSpace, and a number of governments in China. The rest of his bio is here: http://www.imaginewhatif.com/bio.html Alan Greene is a Clinical Professor at Stanford Universitys Lucile Packard Hospital, Chief of Future Health at A.D.A.M. Inc., co-founder of DrGreene.com, and author of several books, including Raising Baby Green. Dr. Greene has been recognized by Intels Internet Health Initiative as one of four pioneering Online Health Heroes who are developing innovative and compelling new ways to use the Internet to advance public health. Cheryl Greene is co-founder and the executive producer of DrGreene.com. The AMA has called DrGreene.com the pioneer physician web site on the Internet. Together Alan and Cheryl have been providing health information and community for parents around the world since 1995. When e-Patient Dave deBronkart was diagnosed in 2007 with advanced kidney cancer, he read that his median survival 24 weeks. A longtime online community member, he rapidly learned to use every aspect of empowerment, technology, and participatory medicine to beat the odds. A high-tech marketer for TimeTrade Appointment Systems, hes now an outspoken blogger and co-chair of the Society for Participatory Medicine. He recently wrote a proposal advocating for strong patient representation in Washington, titled "The Invisible Stakeholder: Why America Needs a Patient-In-Chief." Danny Sands is an internationally recognized lecturer, consultant, and thought leader in the area of clinical computing and patient and clinician empowerment through the use of computer technology. In addition to working at Cisco, Dr. Sands is an Assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and he maintains a primary care practice in which he makes extensive use of health information technology. Dan Hoch is a neurologist based at the Massachusetts General Hospital and is an Assistant Professor at Harvard Medical School. An early developer of online resources for patients, Dan helped found Braintalk and is active in the American Academy of Neurology, the American Epilepsy Society, and the American Medical Informatics Association. Jon Lebkowsky is a business strategist and thought leader focused on social uses of web technologies. An early online community moderator on The Well, and pioneer blogger, Jon has participated in and written about digital cultu re, media, and sustainability. He now consults on the social web, online communities, web development, wireless broadband, and e-democracy. Thank you all for being here.
Welcome, everyone. This should be a great and very timely conversation. I think that our conversation will focus primarily on the U.S., where a healthcare reform bill is in (contentious and controversial) progress of passage. Wikipedia has results of a 2007 Commonwealth study here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_compared#Cross-country_comparisons The study concludes that "although the U.S. system is the most expensive, it consistently underperforms compared to the other countries." It also notes that the U.S. is the only country without universal healthcare. What are your perspectives on the state of healthcare in the U.S., and on healthcare reform? Will the legislation that passed the house be helpful? Are we moving in a direction that will improve the situation (underperformance) noted above?
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permalink #2 of 40: Alan Greene (dralangreene) Tue 19 Jan 10 08:31
permalink #2 of 40: Alan Greene (dralangreene) Tue 19 Jan 10 08:31
Our current complex, labyrinthine, barnacle-encrusted healthcare system has prominent strengths and weaknesses. On the positive side, we tend to foster cutting edge research and breakthrough advances in both diagnosis and treatment of existing disease. We create at least the perception of freedom of choice, state-of-the-art care, and short wait times for patients. Some of our hospitals, clinics, research labs, doctors' offices. and those who work in them are among the very best in the world. We take care of some of us very well indeed. But the system has grown in a way to make it no longer tenable. Working people without job-related benefits and with pre-existing conditions are trapped on the outside. Inefficiencies, redundancies, and bureaucracies strangle the flow of information and care. The experience of healthcare has become exhausting and demoralizing to many providers, employers, and patients (see If Air Travel Worked Like Healthcare http://bit.ly/5hOOpg). Some of these problems can and must be solved with healthcare reform legislation. I believe that the current legislative effort is an important step in the right direction. Nevertheless, the more fundamental changes needed to remake a nimble, effective system for the 21st century will require deeper change to a culture of health before disease, prevention before treatment, participation before passivity, and unfettered access to one's own health data.
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permalink #3 of 40: Danny Sands (dannysands) Wed 20 Jan 10 10:03
permalink #3 of 40: Danny Sands (dannysands) Wed 20 Jan 10 10:03
I agree with Alan's response, but wish to add to it. I believe the major US health care system challenges are: 1. The massive uninsured population (on the order of 40 million), some of which is because of the difficulty in procuring health insurance unless one is employed by a company that subsidizes it (a historical artifact that has outgrown its usefulness); 2. The nonalignment of incentives, so that neither patient nor physician has any financial skin in the game and that financially encourages providers to provide quantity of care rather than quality of care--the more I see you or the more things I do to you, the more I get paid; 3. An expensive and inefficient malpractice liability system that does not motivate the types of behavior we'd like to see; 4. A pervasive attitude among patients that healthcare is a spectator rather than a participatory sport, which is facilitated by an opaque healthcare system that erects barriers to patient engagement. The current healthcare reform bills address the uninsured but do little to address the others. The Senate bill does have language permitting demonstration projects to begin to address the dysfunctional reimbursement system, but until this becomes the standard for reimbursement we will continue to struggle with healthcare costs that outrun inflation. Addressing liability reform will be politically challenging, due to the surfeit of lawyers in Congress, but it must happen. Greater patient engagement can be promoted through the adoption of technologies that lower barriers to patient engagement, such as online communication with providers, online convenience transaction (like making appointment and requesting prescriptions), and online access to medical records. The proposed "meaningful use" rule does mandate electronic access to records for patients, which will move us towards greater engagement. However, we must work with both patients, caregivers, healthcare providers, and employers to change the culture of health passivity that is pervasive among many people.
Danny, to your point about greater patient engagement, we've heard the argument that this is a negative - that engaged patients waste physicians' time, that patients with more access to information are liable to misinterpret what they're hearing, that individuals lacking adequate preparation and context will attempt to self-treat, or provide treatment to others. How do you respond to these points?
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permalink #5 of 40: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Wed 20 Jan 10 15:03
permalink #5 of 40: descend into a fractal hell of meta-truthiness (jmcarlin) Wed 20 Jan 10 15:03
I agree with all the reasons for change that you've outlined. But the sad fact is that with all the Republicans totally against health care reform for political reasons and the loss of the filibuster proof margin in the Senate, the chance for health care reform of any kind, however minor, does not look good right now. So I'm wondering what thoughts you all have about how bad things will really have to get before people will vote a large enough supermajority into office to make things happen.
Jon, I have heard many of those concerns about "engaged patients." I think they are expressions of fear. The problem is not too much information, it's too little. A little information is another factor in what my colleague Ian Morrison calls "Pimp My Ride Healthcare" - the consumerist feeling that more is better, whatever the latest technique, test, or procedure, I've gotta have it. If we had as much information about healthcare as we routinely get about cars, or buying houses, we would be much better able to collaborate with our doctors in our care.
Joe, and anybody who has insights, my experience with trying to be an engaged patient was incredibly stressful. I wouldn't have it any other way, but reading research abstracts to try to understand my choices took me to the edge of my ability to learn at the same time that I was emotionally in a state that made me feel like my brain was pudding. This was despite my having some undergraduate education in the sciences years ago, though I was more interested in seismology than biology then. I want the right to educate myself and collaborate fully, and I am the kind of person who researches major decisions, but I am sympathetic to those who do not. Knowing how and what to learn is hard enough. Having the time to research and read, and the background to be able to make sense of tough choices is something not many patients will bring to the collaboration table. I hadn't thought about languages or basic literacy, but for many people those are the big barriers. What kinds of provisions can be made for patient education at the level at which that patient wants to learn?
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permalink #8 of 40: Danny Sands (dannysands) Thu 21 Jan 10 13:10
permalink #8 of 40: Danny Sands (dannysands) Thu 21 Jan 10 13:10
Jon, Francis Bacon said "Knowledge is power," and I think that applies to healthcare, as well. Yes, this knowledge can be hard to acquire (to Gail's point), can be scary to patients (as Jon said), and can feel threatening to physicians, but in the end, as Gail points out, it's worth it. To manage this shift in paradigm, we need to do several things. First, we must understand that people have varied willingness and capacity for understanding health information. This varies with culture, attitude, general and health literacy, stage of illness, and health status, and is not necessarily stable over time. Therefore we must provide health education that is appropriate for these various states. Next, we must convince health professionals that there is value in engaging patients and providing information to them. Better data to document the benefits of this approach would be helpful here. We must also teach patient engagement strategies to health professionals. Joe is correct when he notes that many patients thin more consumption of health services is always better. But I think that if we spend as much time prescribing information as we do prescribing tests and drugs that we would all be better off. Finally, there is a need for patient educators, who can assist patients as they navigate information about their health. Medical librarians, health professionals, and others could provide these services. Although there are some of these professionals working today to help patients, there is likely a mismatch between supply and demand for these services. Today, a challenge is that the cost must usually must be borne by patients and their families, but I'd like to see every healthcare system and every health plan provide these services.
Where do we start with education? Do we need to consider overhauling how health education is structured and provided at elementary and secondary levels? Is anybody looking at that with the concept of the empowered patient in mind?
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permalink #10 of 40: We have met the enemy and they are us? (robertflink) Fri 22 Jan 10 08:42
permalink #10 of 40: We have met the enemy and they are us? (robertflink) Fri 22 Jan 10 08:42
In my international work on medical device standards, I had some contact with public health officials. When asked what the biggest health problem was, they would reply "bad personal choices". When challenged that surely there are more important problems in the poor countries, the response was that even with severely limited choices, consciously bad choices were made among the few available. This experience made me wonder if education has an uphill battle against our tendency to ignore health in our personal choices. If we have limited control, perhaps "training" would be more effective than education, which implies leaving the matter up to individual will, however well educated?
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permalink #11 of 40: Cheryl Greene (mscgreene) Fri 22 Jan 10 18:13
permalink #11 of 40: Cheryl Greene (mscgreene) Fri 22 Jan 10 18:13
One important part of the Participatory landscape that can be over-looked is the importance of engaging key members of the e-patient's network as researchers, sounding boards, advocates, and caregivers. As a patient-turned-epatient during a year long batter with inflammatory breast cancer I can tell you -- it takes an (e?) village! Some of the most important help I got from my community was: -- wading through massive amounts of technical information and filtering it down to what I needed for the next step of treatment -- child care -- meal preparation -- encouragement to stand my ground when I might have given in -- cheering squad Organizations like ACOR can provide mental and emotional support helping to relieve the stress from family and friends. They all play an important role.
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permalink #12 of 40: W. Lorraine Watkins (lorraine) Sun 24 Jan 10 22:29
permalink #12 of 40: W. Lorraine Watkins (lorraine) Sun 24 Jan 10 22:29
There are some real disadvantages for patients in this consumer driven model they are using now. experience of it is that it is more of a "didn't ask, don't tell." IOW if you don't know to ask what that thngamajig on your elbow is, it is not certain your provider is not likely to suggest checking it out. The fact is no one can be expected to have or have background to understand in full depth the nature of every possible medical problem, its context and best treatment. Actually the insurance profit comes from just this approach. You won't get the test or treatment in that benefit period if you don't know to ask. And now of course they are into limiting coverage of routine screening testing. I am all for patient autonomy and averse to the feminist's fears of patriarchy but my lord we pay these folks because they are supposed to be experts it seems to me there should be some exchange of information.
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permalink #13 of 40: W. Lorraine Watkins (lorraine) Sun 24 Jan 10 22:31
permalink #13 of 40: W. Lorraine Watkins (lorraine) Sun 24 Jan 10 22:31
Sorry for the typos. I am used to being able to edit after posting.
"The fact is no one can be expected to have or have background to understand in full depth the nature of every possible medical problem, its context and best treatment." This is a great point - what we find within patient communities is that many patients become the most knowledgeable of their particular conditions because they have skin in the game in the most literal sense, and in online communities they share knowledge and become even smarter. Smart physicians open to this new world of knowledge on the ground, rather than resisting it or feeling hassled or threatened when a patient actually seems to know a great deal about what's happening with their bodies.
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permalink #15 of 40: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Mon 25 Jan 10 08:50
permalink #15 of 40: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Mon 25 Jan 10 08:50
I have been dealing with a health situation for the past three years. I am on a mailing list for people with this situation and their caregivers. The problem I have found is that most people only post when they are having problems, so my knowledge gets kind of skewed. I read lots of posts from people who had trouble after surgery so I was all ready to be in a lot of pain, need a lot of help, etc. Instead I breezed through it, never took a pain pill stronger than tylenol, and have found my experiences to be pretty different.
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permalink #16 of 40: Cheryl Greene (mscgreene) Mon 25 Jan 10 15:21
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permalink #17 of 40: Cheryl Greene (mscgreene) Mon 25 Jan 10 18:44
permalink #17 of 40: Cheryl Greene (mscgreene) Mon 25 Jan 10 18:44
re:#14 "The fact is no one can be expected to have or have background to understand in full depth the nature of every possible medical problem, its context and best treatment." It's this very fact that makes physicians meaningful. If we as patients could have all the information we needed without them, we should just self treat. An individual doctor may not know as much about your unique set of illnesses, but an individual can not possibly know as much about the whole spectrum of health as the physician who as devoted him or herself to a life of study. That is why the partnership between an engaged patient and an engaged physician is so powerful and so important.
Right now Howard Rheingold (futurist, author, and an early mainstay of The Well) is going through a problem with squamous cell cancer of the rectum, considered treatable, but with the usual purgatory of radiation therapy and chemo. One of the first things he did after diagnosis was to gather his community resources by announcing it on his Facebook page, and starting both a blog and a Twitter stream for his butt. The most important connections remain personal. We learn the most from the most trusted sources. In a situation in which there is too much information, yet people are not able to learn enough of it, what is missing and most important are the filters and connectors - those key people in multiple overlapping communities to whom people naturally turn for their experience and wide knowledge. We see this in online communities around disease states, such as on MedHelp.com (with its 300 conditions, 1 million registered users, and 15 years of experience). A truly comprehensive and effective public education on health would reach out to all kinds of intermediaries to whom people listen for basic facts on health, from chiropractors and other complimentary medicine practitioners, to ministers and key lay people in churches, to barbers, to editors of women's magazines, to Oprah. The right information must get to the trusted people.
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permalink #19 of 40: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Tue 26 Jan 10 13:44
permalink #19 of 40: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Tue 26 Jan 10 13:44
I did a similar thing to Howard when I first was diagnosed with a tumor in my esophagus. I wrote an email to my circle asking for any insights, ideas, etc. I found that being very open about what I was going through was very helpful. I was informed of a lot of resources that I wouldn't otherwise have heard about.
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permalink #20 of 40: Kathryn Kellison (kellison) Tue 26 Jan 10 15:49
permalink #20 of 40: Kathryn Kellison (kellison) Tue 26 Jan 10 15:49
I was diagnosed with celiac disease almost eight years ago at a time when there was very little physician awareness of the condition. It is recommended that each first-degree relative get tested for celiac disease, but I had so much resistance from my sons' pediatricians that I had to bring in the heavy guns (full multi-center study on the new prevalence numbers) before I could get him interested. Remember, in school, when they touched on celiac disease, they were told that it was highly unlikely they'd ever see it in their own practice, that despite a much higher incidence in Europe, the incidence in the US was thought to be 1 in 4300. Incidence was low because suspicion of the condition was low. It isn't that doctors aren't getting educated on the latest and greatest in pharmacological options and new techniques. But this information comes from pharmaceutical reps who have something to sell. There isn't a good system in place to remind doctors that relatively inexpensive treatments can have huge effects on the health of the patient. I'm very confused, for instance, that in cases of developing dementia, that a TSH test is all that is used to rule out thyroid disease when suboptimal thyroid levels are well-known to cause dementia. The other condition that must be ruled out before Alzheimer's is stamped irrevocably on the chart is B12 deficiency, also extremely common in the elderly. The test they depend on to rule that out is the B12 serum test which has a 50% rate of false negative (50% of B12 deficiencies are missed). I wouldn't know any of this if my GI hadn't sent me online to investigate my celiac diagnosis. He acknowledged that they patients online had a much better grasp of the intricacies of detection and treatment. The gluten free diet, being very tough to navigate, is the only treatment for CD. But the information I found from my (ICOR listserv) group about how interdependent the different autoimmune diseases are led to my actively seeking (and getting) diagnoses for thyroid disease (the most common companion to celiac disease) and pernicious anemia. I also learned that it isn't enough to read the abstract of a study. Sometimes terrible conclusions are published in even a peer-reviewed studies from respectable journals. It is really best to read the entire study and investigate the methods against the conclusions. In the field of research, as in all things, follow the money, and remain skeptical.
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permalink #21 of 40: Cheryl Greene (mscgreene) Tue 26 Jan 10 22:15
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permalink #22 of 40: Cheryl Greene (mscgreene) Tue 26 Jan 10 22:16
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e-Patient Dave deBronkart, who will hopefully show up here at some point, tells how his cancer was discovered here: http://patientdave.blogspot.com/2008/06/my-cancer-story-short-version.html When Dave was diagnosed with stage 4 kidney cancer, he researched like crazy online, joined the patient community ACOR, and found his way to the experimental treatment that saved him. He's since become an evangelist for participatory medicine. I like this paragraph: "I continued researching, studying my radiology reports and lab results on PatientSite, and asking questions. Often I was wrong; being empowered didnt make me an oncologist. Yet my phenomenal oncologist David McDermott and team said 'I am happy to field your questions.' Tip: Arrogant doctors are 'doctosaurs'; you don't need to put up with that anymore."
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permalink #24 of 40: Cheryl Greene (mscgreene) Wed 27 Jan 10 07:35
permalink #24 of 40: Cheryl Greene (mscgreene) Wed 27 Jan 10 07:35
re:#14 "The fact is no one can be expected to have or have background to understand in full depth the nature of every possible medical problem, its context and best treatment." It's this very fact that makes physicians meaningful. If we as patients could have all the information we needed without them, we should just self treat. An individual doctor may not know as much about your unique set of illnesses, but an individual can not possibly know as much about the whole spectrum of health as the physician who as devoted him or herself to a life of study. That is why the partnership between an engaged patient and an engaged physician is so powerful and so important.
I have a more overtly political update from friends of mine who have done legislative analysis on the bills in congress, and then a question for all the panelists about that point of view. First, I'll post the alert...
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