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permalink #76 of 225: Don Lattin (donlattin) Sun 18 Apr 10 11:08
permalink #76 of 225: Don Lattin (donlattin) Sun 18 Apr 10 11:08
Mark, I think younger people might be using LSD more as a "party" drug now, partly because people tend to take lower doses. But there was a lot of LSD partying going on back in "the good old days." Seem to recall some group called the Merry Pranksters. Last night, John Berry Barlow told a young person who asked our panel a question that using LSD to party so much was one of the mistakes OUR culture (baby boomers) made. That said, I have been pleasantly surprised by how many younger people have written me or approached me at book signings and said they are using psychedelics as part of their spiritual life. A young woman came up to the mic last night and said "reading the Harvard Psychedelic Club changed my life and is the reason I came to this conference." That kind of feedback keeps me going! We forget that many young people who take psychedelic drugs today have never heard of Tim Leary, Ram Dass or Huston Smith. They think Richard Alpert is just a character on "Lost." (Which I've never seen. Is that true?) .
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permalink #77 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 18 Apr 10 11:16
permalink #77 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Sun 18 Apr 10 11:16
Fascinating stuff, Don. I so wish I was at that conference! Please do report -- anecdotes are most welcome.
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permalink #78 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Mon 19 Apr 10 07:37
permalink #78 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Mon 19 Apr 10 07:37
One of the best books I've ever read on indigenous use of psychedelics is Warren L. d'Azavedo's "Straight with the Medicine," which talks about peyote use in the Native American Church: <http://www.amazon.com/Straight-Medicine-Warren-L-dAzevedo/dp/1597140295/> Most of the book consists of first-person accounts from Peyote Way practitioners, and it offers invaluable insights. One of the points that I've stressed in my own writings is that a major difference between indigenous use and modern urban use is that in cultures where psychedelics are used as initiatory/healing agents, the experience draws the participants more deeply into the fabric of traditional culture; whereas the laws against psychedelics in modern societies mean that would-be psychonauts have to walk away from their own culture, rejecting its taboos, in order to have the experience. That seems significant to me. One kind of frame brings you closer to your ancestors and your family by taking psychedelics; the other kind of frame alienates you and encourages paranoia. That's one reason I became interested in the subculture of Deadheads. It was as if they were trying to improvise a new "indigenous" psychedelic tradition in the middle of a culture hostile to the notion. Another set of books that would be valuable to anyone interested in traditional contexts for psychedelic experience is the trilogy by Dale Pendell, "Pharmako/Poeia," "Pharmako/Dynamis," and "PharmakoGnosis." Pendell is a botanist, chemist, Zen student, poet and friend of Beat poet Gary Snyder, and he brings all those domains of knowledge to the table in these remarkable books, which are still in print. They may be too poetic for someone looking for straight science, but they are, altogether, my favorite books on the subject of drugs by far. And Don, this looks interesting, an upcoming book on the friendship between Leary and Ginsberg by author and Well member <peterconners>: White Hand Society: The Psychedelic Partnership of Timothy Leary & Allen Ginsberg <http://www.amazon.com/White-Hand-Society-Psychedelic-Partnership/dp/0872865355 />
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permalink #79 of 225: David Dawson (dawson54) Mon 19 Apr 10 10:50
permalink #79 of 225: David Dawson (dawson54) Mon 19 Apr 10 10:50
And a Happy Bicycle Day to one and all.
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permalink #80 of 225: Searchlight Casting (jstrahl) Mon 19 Apr 10 11:56
permalink #80 of 225: Searchlight Casting (jstrahl) Mon 19 Apr 10 11:56
Isn't that actually the 25th? Marlene Dobkin De Rios (her husband is well-known re MDMA research) and Peter Furst (of SUNY Stoney Brook) have both written on the topic of indigenous use. To add to <digaman>'s comments about Deadheads creating a new "indigenous" culture, Devereax in The Long Trip makes a point of how modern western civilization (Gandhi said "It would be a good idea" when he asked what he thought of it:-)) is unique in its repression of practices involving psychedelics.
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permalink #81 of 225: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 19 Apr 10 12:06
permalink #81 of 225: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 19 Apr 10 12:06
19 April 1943!
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permalink #82 of 225: Don Lattin (donlattin) Mon 19 Apr 10 15:56
permalink #82 of 225: Don Lattin (donlattin) Mon 19 Apr 10 15:56
Yes. Happy Bicycle Day! I look forward to seeing Peter Conners book. Send me a review copy and I'll pitch a review to the Chronicle. I would have loved to explore the Ginsberg/Leary relationship more, but had to stick to my four title characters. Ginsberg seems to pop up on the cusp of everything interesting in the 1950s and 1960s. There sure are a lot of titles coming out this year on the Beat/Hippie front. I was asked to write a blurb for "The Typewriter Is HOly -- The Complete Uncensored History of the Beat Generation," by Bill Morgan. Here's what I said: "Bill Morgan draws on an encyclopedic knowledge of the Beat writers to shine sober, sympathetic light into the dark corners of four tortured lives. His painfully personal profiles of Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac, Neal Cassady and William Burroughs show how their misguided search for personal freedom trapped them in their own obsessions and addictions, yet also sparked an enlivening burst of creative genius." The pub date is May 11. There's also a new book just out on the Leary-inspired Brotherhood of Eternal Love, "Orange Sunshine," by Nick Shou.
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permalink #83 of 225: Don Lattin (donlattin) Mon 19 Apr 10 16:02
permalink #83 of 225: Don Lattin (donlattin) Mon 19 Apr 10 16:02
Speaking of the Ginsberg/Leary relationship, here's an excerpt the Chronicle ran from "The Harvard Psychedelic Club." As someone who used to work at the Chron, it's one of my favorite scenes. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/05/DD291BAJCJ.DTL
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permalink #84 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Mon 19 Apr 10 16:04
permalink #84 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Mon 19 Apr 10 16:04
You know it's funny. There were a ton of books published about psychedelia when it was the latest thing - I grabbed piles of that stuff on a used bookstore trip on the West coast c. 1980, just as everyone was throwing it out and have a pretty nice little collection as a result. After about 1980 it really slacked off. Now and then, a decent book would come out - "Storming Heaven," "Acid Dreams," and a fair number of good biographies of key counterculture and Beat figures. But all of a sudden it seems like there's a real revival of interest (perfectly timed for your book!). Do you think this revival of interest is real, and if so, what do you think is driving it?
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permalink #85 of 225: Don Lattin (donlattin) Mon 19 Apr 10 16:15
permalink #85 of 225: Don Lattin (donlattin) Mon 19 Apr 10 16:15
Steve, you asked for interesting tidbits from the psychedelic conference. Here's one: Ram Dass just discovered that he has a son (now in his forties) and some grandchildren. He was asked how he felt about it and replied, "It's wonderful. He's very handsome. Just like me." I think my book or a review of it might have had something to do with them re-uniting. Not sure about the details. But I do know that the son read "The Harvard Psychedelic Club" on the plane to Hawaii when he flew over to meet Ram Dass in Maui. He was also asked about his early life struggles around his homosexuality, and said, "Ram Dass is not gay. Richard Alpert was gay. I think." I think what he means when he says "Ram Dass is not gay" is that he has transcended gay/straight categories, or maybe he's just so old that he doesn't care about sex anymore. Who knows? There still seems to be some confusion on that front. He talks about it in my book.
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permalink #86 of 225: Don Lattin (donlattin) Mon 19 Apr 10 16:24
permalink #86 of 225: Don Lattin (donlattin) Mon 19 Apr 10 16:24
Mark: The revived interest is not just in books about psychedelics in the past. There is something happening now. There's a change in tone in the mainstream media coverage. Just check out last week's page one story in the NY Times. There was a feeling at the SJ conference that we are at a turning point in the revival of interest in beneficial uses of psychedelics for things like PTSD, end-of-life issues, cluster headaches -- not to mention as a tool for spiritual growth. It's like we're picking up where it all stopped in 1969. Psychedelic scientists have started calling it "the protracted lull." I think one reason for all of this is simple -- the kids who were tripping in 1967 are now running the universities, the publishing houses and the government.
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permalink #87 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Mon 19 Apr 10 17:13
permalink #87 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Mon 19 Apr 10 17:13
Right. And while members of our generation may or may not have positive feelings about drugs, they at least have taken their measure, and probably probably have some personal experience. So much of the earlier anti-drug hysteria was built on fanciful misinformation. That's really true going back to the earliest points at which non-European drugs started with European culture - for example the hysteria over opium and "the white slave trade" in late 19th century America. Your book also has me starting on Huston Smith's recent autobiography. I was reasonably familiar with Weil's career, and had certainly read lots about Leary and Alpert, but I had never even heard of Huston Smith - somehow that name never crossed my desk at all. The story of his meeting with Aldous Huxley is just amazing. What a small world it was then!
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permalink #88 of 225: Searchlight Casting (jstrahl) Mon 19 Apr 10 19:50
permalink #88 of 225: Searchlight Casting (jstrahl) Mon 19 Apr 10 19:50
4/19 is correct indeed, i checked out the Skeleton Key on my way out the door, years ago i saw something to the effect of 4/25, and i've since learned to the contrary, but it's hard to get that piece of bad data out of the brain once it's in:-) But it's actually great that it's today. I had scheduled already days ago for today to take a bike ride to the Cal campus (that's where i was headed out the door for) and then hike into Strawberry Canyon, and of course later ride my bike home. The bike rides weren't too eventful, though the ride home was entertaining. The hike, with a spring flower color riot on and the skies filling with all sorts of clouds from the storm coming in, with sun darting in and out of them, made for quite a spectacular day. Funny how timing has its own sense. So, glad i was wrong about the date:-)
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permalink #89 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 20 Apr 10 04:31
permalink #89 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 20 Apr 10 04:31
I remember it because on the 50th anniversary, I was a student teacher, and made it part of the lesson.
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permalink #90 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 20 Apr 10 07:34
permalink #90 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 20 Apr 10 07:34
"Martin Luther King was not black. He transcended that." How would that read? Just sayin'. Thanks for the report, Don. Speaking of Ram Dass' alleged non-gayness, did you ever interview Peter, the guy he referred to in his interview with you as one of the loves of his life? I believe he may have been a former neighbor of mine, a very sweet, soulful, and angelic-looking guy who told me he had been Ram Dass' lover though he tended to be more attracted to women. I lost touch with Peter years ago and always wondered what happened to him. (I also can't remember his last name, alas.) Is he in Hawaii with Ram Dass? By the way, I'm just about to review Bill Morgan's book for the Chronicle. Will be starting it today, in fact. I'm also reviewing Morgan's *other* new book, the collected Ginsberg/Kerouac letters. Don, the only statement in your book that took me aback was your claim that LSD is a "more dangerous" drug than psilocybin. On what basis are you making that claim -- raw potency? Certainly LSD is a much more potent drug by molecular weight, but on the other hand, because mushrooms vary so widely in potency, I'm not sure one could say there's more of a chance of overdosing on acid. I know there's plenty of anecdotal buzz about psilocybin being easier on the body because it's "natural" -- and I do think there's less of a burn-out period after the come-down -- but I have never seen any scientific evidence that LSD is "more dangerous" than psilocybin. Certainly, people with a predisposition for schizophrenia should avoid both drugs like the plague. But what was your source?
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permalink #91 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 20 Apr 10 07:38
permalink #91 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 20 Apr 10 07:38
Lots of stupid things were said in the 60s, but Leary's comments about homosexuality in the parts of the Playboy interview quoted in the book were especially painful to read. Of course, it was all said 40-some years ago, different era, etc., etc. but still. When I read those interview excerpts, I was reminded of his famous quote that "Everyone gets the Timothy Leary they deserve." He was certainly giving Playboy exactly what they deserved.
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permalink #92 of 225: Ed Ward (captward) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:09
permalink #92 of 225: Ed Ward (captward) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:09
He was giving them the Timothy Leary they *wanted,* at any rate. I remember going to one of his "LSD Experience" multi-media ripoffs at what became the Fillmore East. I'm not sure that I deserved that Timothy Leary, unless the message was "suckahhh!"
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permalink #93 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:31
permalink #93 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:31
You gotta love Leary choosing Allen Ginsberg as his example of a successfully "treated" homosexual. It's like having Jackie Gleason endorse your diet plan. I think the homosexuality riff in that Playboy interview was a little window into how much of a 1950s square Leary still was, even at the height of his post-Tomorrow-Never-Knows fame. His fulminations about sexuality were just unprocessed classic homophobia, dressed up in all this blarney about acid revealing your genetic programming and whatnot.
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permalink #94 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:34
permalink #94 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:34
It's hard to remember how weird a magazine Playboy was when it was still important. The part of Don's book where the four main characters go their separate ways is interesting. They all did well, to a greater or lesser extent, except for Leary. I only saw him once, in the days when he was a touring lecturer. He was as bright and charming as everyone says. I made him laugh with some comment of mine - can't remember what it was. ISTR Curtis Sliwa was on the bill (what a moron!) but I may be confusing it with another event. I read Robert Greenfield's very detailed bio of Leary a couple of years ago. It was a painful read. He never came right out and said it, but it seemed pretty clear to me that Greenfield came to detest Leary during the course of researching the book. And it was kinda hard to argue. Although as is the case with many of us humans, one wonders how differently things might have turned out without alcohol abuse. Speaking of which, Don my favorite factoid from your book - that Bill W., the founder of AA, tried and had a positive reaction to LSD. I had no idea.
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permalink #95 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:37
permalink #95 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:37
That was a great factoid that I didn't know either. Side note: A review of Orange Sunshine, a new book on the Brotherhood of Eternal Love: the "Amway" of acid. http://bit.ly/bKmOnP
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permalink #96 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:40
permalink #96 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:40
Slip, and yeah, I agree with what you say, Steve. One thing I think Don's book is especially good on is how some of the founders of the movement realized that psychedelics, in and of themselves, were not going to be a panacea or a guaranteed road to enlightenment. (I loved the anecdote about Alpert and his co-voyagers locking themselves in the bowling alley at Millbrook and taking acid every four hours for a couple of weeks - and ending up profoundly hating each other!) Leary certainly must have figured this out too, being extremely bright. So one must conclude that being the "High Priest of LSD" was a gig too good to give up.
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permalink #97 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:55
permalink #97 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 20 Apr 10 08:55
"High Priest" is far and away my favorite Leary book, for the record. It's full of engaging stories and was presciently hypertextual, which feels appropriate for the subject.
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permalink #98 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 20 Apr 10 09:06
permalink #98 of 225: Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 20 Apr 10 09:06
Don and <mcdee>, you might be interested in an article in today's NYT about Bill W. -- Did a belladonna hallucination inspire the founder of 12-step programs? http://nyti.ms/serenitea
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permalink #99 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 20 Apr 10 09:11
permalink #99 of 225: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 20 Apr 10 09:11
Fascinating - thanks!
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permalink #100 of 225: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Tue 20 Apr 10 11:28
permalink #100 of 225: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Tue 20 Apr 10 11:28
Ironic that the man whose life was a hype about how acid would change things for the better turned out to be living proof that it wasn't true.
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