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Topic 415: Publishing With Kindle and Other Electronic Publishers: Authors Discuss the Pros and Cons
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permalink #126 of 209: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 13 Aug 11 05:00
permalink #126 of 209: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 13 Aug 11 05:00
Gotta say (jh) your Heart of Haiku is excellent. Great example of the power of a Single...I would never have bought a book on the subject, but this bite-size little nugget was ideal to take a quick dip in the water. Beautifully written. Thanks. Ed and Jacques, and Emma, I'm getting to yours...and looking forward to them all. But I've got to read Forbidden Sacraments today to get ready for the next Inkwell.vue discussion starting tomorrow. This has gone all too fast, and all too easily. Thank you all for a wonderful discussion, great content and inputs on a whole new aspect of publishing in the Digital Age. May your rankings increase!
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permalink #127 of 209: (fom) Sat 13 Aug 11 10:23
permalink #127 of 209: (fom) Sat 13 Aug 11 10:23
I suspect this particular conversation won't end just because that seems to be the inkwell way. Why should it?
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permalink #128 of 209: Ed Ward (captward) Sat 13 Aug 11 10:39
permalink #128 of 209: Ed Ward (captward) Sat 13 Aug 11 10:39
And the Inkwell Way says it ends on Thursday anyway!
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permalink #129 of 209: Joe Cottonwood (joecot) Sat 13 Aug 11 10:59
permalink #129 of 209: Joe Cottonwood (joecot) Sat 13 Aug 11 10:59
Gail said "Does anybody do a simple web site for a short e-book? It seems like it would be easier to plug an ebook by saying "It's available at [articletitle] dot com" on a radio or podcast or even tv show. Then if it were also published in other formats like the "nook," or even read aloud and for sale in a spoken word format, those links could be there, too." I don't do single web sites for my ebooks (5 so far) but I publish them on Smashwords.com so that people with Nooks or whatever can download them in any e-reading format. Smashwords has a program they call the "meatgrinder" which takes a Microsoft Word document and converts it to all the e-reader formats. They're easy to deal with, and the guy who runs Smashwords is an honorable guy. The problem with Smashwords is that nobody has heard of it, so I have to send people there. On Amazon, people sometimes find me while browsing for something else. It helps that Amazon has a "Joe Cottonwood" page, which lists all my books and Kindle editions. It's too bad so many people hate Amazon so much because they've really got the browsing/serendipity thing figured out better than anybody else.
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permalink #130 of 209: (fom) Sat 13 Aug 11 11:31
permalink #130 of 209: (fom) Sat 13 Aug 11 11:31
so why does it end? you guys aren't special guests who were given well memberships to participate, you're here anyway. do not get this. here's a good conversation, LET'S END IT NOW BECAUSE THAT IS THE RULE.
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permalink #131 of 209: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Sat 13 Aug 11 11:50
permalink #131 of 209: Julie Sherman (julieswn) Sat 13 Aug 11 11:50
Actually, Inkwell topics stay open indefinitely into the future. We don't close them, we just move the attention of Inkwell to a different one. But this conversation will continue on as long as people want to continue discussing the topic.
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permalink #132 of 209: Ed Ward (captward) Sat 13 Aug 11 11:53
permalink #132 of 209: Ed Ward (captward) Sat 13 Aug 11 11:53
Not what I said. I'm saying, as an Inkwell host, that conversations are started and (officially, nominally) stopped on Thursdays. I thought our host was terminating us prematurely. Right at the moment, I'm not sure setting up a webpage that'd bounce to my Amazon sales page would be very useful, especially considering that I've never done a web page before and it's a pain in the ass for a couple of bucks. (When I get my book done and so on, I'll do the whole thing about keeping a blog, promoting it, and the rest, of course, but maybe the publisher will help with that). I've got the URL for the sales page on almost all the e-mails I send, and Fresh Air wanted to mention it, so I googled the title and the first ten or so hits that come up are the book. I hope they do it (as well as hoping they run another piece) because I'd like to see that famous Terry Gross Bounce happen to me! Slippagio.
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permalink #133 of 209: (fom) Sat 13 Aug 11 12:25
permalink #133 of 209: (fom) Sat 13 Aug 11 12:25
Julie, I do realize that, but the effect is usually to shut down the convo. And I think this particular one is a special case because it's not about a particular book, the "guests" aren't imported from elsewhere, and mainly because the whole kindle (etc) thing is so new and is still developing.
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permalink #134 of 209: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sat 13 Aug 11 13:42
permalink #134 of 209: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sat 13 Aug 11 13:42
Just back after a week offline... Delighted to hear that Jacques and my books were promoted, and that Ted liked The Heart of Haiku. Re "visible length," my Single's page says it's 29 print pages, and that is what it is, in typescript. Word length might be more accurate, but regular laypeople readers don't get word length--that's a writer's measurement. Re pricing, I think we all just need to learn how to figure it out by watching how books at different price points do over time. Amazon itself may have learned that a bit, between Jacques' book being published and mine, some months later. Glad to see from that posted link that Vook is still doing pretty well. <gower> did a Vook. Is he still on the Well? Would be really interesting to hear his experience in this forum. It was also interesting to see that very authoritative person advising Richie that Kindle e-books can only be read on Kindles, wrongly. That whole issue remains a pickle, it seems. Either time will solve it or it won't. It's like Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance, people can't hear "Kindle" and not think "Kindle device" at the same time. We're in a kind of Wild West for all these things, where terminology is fluid and confusing (Ed's Kindle e-book vs my Kindle Single and Jacques's Byliner--or was it Atavist?--Kindle Single vs finding Joecot's Smashwords e- books--are those sold on Amazon?--and so on). My guess is that eventually when a person buys a print book the e-book will be bundled into it--but we're far from there. My guess is that print books will last, but bookstores will evolve into something we can't quite see the shape of yet, and with that transition, so will "the publishing industry." My guess is it won't be pretty, for those of us in love with the old model. I hope I'm wrong about that. I hope the old model will survive as robustly as radio has. But I really liked the clarity of someone's post above that it is about logistics and technologies and practicalities, as we move forward. The question of the day is, how do people find out that something exists that they may want to find, in this new world, and how will those who creat that something make a living by doing so. I guess that's two questions, intimately related.
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permalink #135 of 209: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 13 Aug 11 14:51
permalink #135 of 209: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 13 Aug 11 14:51
Oops my bad, guess we are overlapping discussions. You are right of course, Felicity, it never ends
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permalink #136 of 209: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 13 Aug 11 14:59
permalink #136 of 209: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sat 13 Aug 11 14:59
(fom) Sorry for the confusion...haven't hosted an Inkvue in years and was confused about the starting date for the next convo book I'm reading. I thought it started tomorrow, but actually, it's on Thursday...as always apparently. Was thinking I was making a smooth transition...not!
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permalink #137 of 209: (fom) Sat 13 Aug 11 23:22
permalink #137 of 209: (fom) Sat 13 Aug 11 23:22
even if it did overlap, I still contend this one is different.
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permalink #138 of 209: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Sun 14 Aug 11 08:50
permalink #138 of 209: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Sun 14 Aug 11 08:50
Amazon has started a featured sub-store for independently published Kindle books that have good sales and rankings. It doesn't stop any books from showing up elsewhere, but just highlights some of the top-ranked indie books. <http://www.amazon.com/b/?node=3059252011> I think it's useful, though some of the self-publishers are skeptical (it can promote faked reviews and ratings, sock puppets and the like). re: Smashwords. They don't publish to Amazon yet, as far as I know, though they are working on an Amazon agreement. They do publish to Barnes & Noble's PubIt, to the Apple store, and to Kobo, as well as selling on their own site. Mark Coker really is a good guy, and very supportive of authors self-publishing.
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permalink #139 of 209: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sun 14 Aug 11 09:42
permalink #139 of 209: Jane Hirshfield (jh) Sun 14 Aug 11 09:42
You're wonderfully knowledgeable, Jennifer, about how all this works.
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permalink #140 of 209: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Sun 14 Aug 11 11:31
permalink #140 of 209: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Sun 14 Aug 11 11:31
I'm just a couple months ahead of most people, that's all. This change has been revving up for a couple of years and I'm a newbie compared to the folks who have been doing it all that time.
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permalink #141 of 209: (fom) Sun 14 Aug 11 12:47
permalink #141 of 209: (fom) Sun 14 Aug 11 12:47
so it is the case that "kindle indie" is turning out to be what these are called?
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permalink #142 of 209: Ed Ward (captward) Sun 14 Aug 11 12:48
permalink #142 of 209: Ed Ward (captward) Sun 14 Aug 11 12:48
I call mine a "thingle," and they haven't sued me yet.
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permalink #143 of 209: David Wilson (dlwilson) Sun 14 Aug 11 14:50
permalink #143 of 209: David Wilson (dlwilson) Sun 14 Aug 11 14:50
How are sales Ed?
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permalink #144 of 209: Ed Ward (captward) Mon 15 Aug 11 00:50
permalink #144 of 209: Ed Ward (captward) Mon 15 Aug 11 00:50
Meh.
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permalink #145 of 209: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 15 Aug 11 09:30
permalink #145 of 209: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 15 Aug 11 09:30
Jennifer, forgive me if you already said something, but do you have an e-book project in the works too?
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permalink #146 of 209: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Mon 15 Aug 11 10:24
permalink #146 of 209: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Mon 15 Aug 11 10:24
I've published one short story and recreated one public domain book. I plan to do much more, and I have to say I'm having a blast. I find I enjoy being back in publishing again (something I used to do in those far distant days of pre-computer phototypesetting), and I'm also enjoying writing more than I have in years. In fact, I'd given up fiction writing altogether until these new opportunities opened up.
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permalink #147 of 209: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 15 Aug 11 11:01
permalink #147 of 209: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 15 Aug 11 11:01
That's excellent. Will you post links to your work? Also, I have another question. I spoke to someone who has looked into these things who is convinced that the problem with poor rendering of illustrations is about the resolution of the devices not the ebooks formats. If so, then something which was produced properly would look sad on a Kindle-the-device, but could be fabulous on some reader app on a computer, no? Certainly with a browser looking at the cloud! Fine illustrations should be possible if it is only about the devices. Anybody know where the illustration resolution choke point is in this process of conveying the work to its audience?
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permalink #148 of 209: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Mon 15 Aug 11 11:58
permalink #148 of 209: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Mon 15 Aug 11 11:58
Happy to share links, and also happy to send freebies to Well folks who are interested in anything. Last Night, a short story Smashwords <http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/57247> Amazon US (it's also in the UK and DE stores) <http://www.amazon.com/Last-Night-ebook/dp/B004Z20DZQ/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_1> Barnes & Noble <http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Last-Night/Jennifer-Powell/e/2940012608239> 200 Eggs A Year - How to Get Them Amazon US (not on UK or DE at this point) <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005EHRY94> B&N <http://search.barnesandnoble.com/200-Eggs-A-Year-How-to-get-them/Edgar-Warren/ e/2940013104808> Smashwords doesn't take public domain works. The story has been up longest and has had a handful of sales. Though when I made it free on SW I got nearly a hundred downloads, which tickled me. It's early days for me yet as a virtual unknown. I'm working hard on both more fiction and more farm and garden books.
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permalink #149 of 209: Michael C. Berch (mcb) Mon 15 Aug 11 12:45
permalink #149 of 209: Michael C. Berch (mcb) Mon 15 Aug 11 12:45
> If so, then something which was produced properly would look sad on a > Kindle-the-device, but could be fabulous on some reader app on a > computer, no? Certainly with a browser looking at the cloud! The photographs in the Kindle version of Annie Jacobson's AREA 51: AN UNCENSORED HISTORY indeed look fabulous in the Kindle app on my iPad. They are, however, black and white (as were the originals). I don't know what would happen if you included a color photo in a Kindle book, whether it would display in color on color devices but in B/W on Kindles, or what. I suspect we may not find out until Amazon releases a color Kindle (or a color tablet), which has been rumored for ages.
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permalink #150 of 209: Joe Cottonwood (joecot) Mon 15 Aug 11 15:40
permalink #150 of 209: Joe Cottonwood (joecot) Mon 15 Aug 11 15:40
The black and white illustrations in one of my books came out better in the Kindle edition than they were in the original hardback edition 30 years ago. The illustrator (Ed Wong) rescanned the images himself for my ebook edition and he is delighted with the outcome. He even gave me a brand new illustration to add to the 20 or so we already had. Like any other aspect of publishing, a lot depends on the prep work behind the scenes. Careless scanning and careless formatting is common even among the major publishing houses who put out sloppy ebooks and then wonder why people don't want to pay $25 for them. If the book looks bad on your Kindle, it's likely to be the fault of the publisher, not the Kindle.
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