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permalink #51 of 101: Cliff Dweller (robinsline) Thu 29 Jan 15 13:24
permalink #51 of 101: Cliff Dweller (robinsline) Thu 29 Jan 15 13:24
I hadn't really thought about the fact that there are so few publications that use single panel cartoons. Given the available talent, as evidenced by the thousands of wonderful rejected cartoons, this seems like a terrible shame. Do political cartoonists ever submit non-political cartoons to TNY? Have other magazines made any steps toward at least exploring using cartoons?
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permalink #52 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 29 Jan 15 13:33
permalink #52 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 29 Jan 15 13:33
What are these "other magazines" of which you speak? Haven't our digital overlords prohibited most of them?
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permalink #53 of 101: Cliff Dweller (robinsline) Thu 29 Jan 15 13:40
permalink #53 of 101: Cliff Dweller (robinsline) Thu 29 Jan 15 13:40
There is that.
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permalink #54 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 29 Jan 15 13:46
permalink #54 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 29 Jan 15 13:46
Which makes me wonder if there's a future for this form. On the one hand, see above. On the other hand, it annoys me when the New Yorker gets off a good one because I have Facebook friends who'll post it immediately. (I have, over a long period of self-discipline, taught myself to leaf through the new issue when it arrives and not read any captions.)
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permalink #55 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Thu 29 Jan 15 14:03
permalink #55 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Thu 29 Jan 15 14:03
>>Do political cartoonists ever submit non-political cartoons to TNY? Have other magazines made any steps toward at least exploring using cartoons? I believe TNY runs cartoons partially to suck people into the hard reportage. No political cartoonists in that department. Cartoons seems to have drifted out of the media consciousness. But whenever I'm reading some "longread" (ick), I wonder why it's not broken up with cartoons. In TNY, it keeps the reader flipping the pages, if nothing else. I agree that magazines are on the verge of extinction. But we'll still be reading stuff online in one form or another, at least in the short term. And there has to be something other than targeted advertising to break up the text.
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permalink #56 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Thu 29 Jan 15 14:07
permalink #56 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Thu 29 Jan 15 14:07
Still waiting for your favorite 'toons, Ed. Look forward to enjoying when I get back from La Mama in a few hours.
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permalink #57 of 101: Paulina Borsook (loris) Thu 29 Jan 15 14:22
permalink #57 of 101: Paulina Borsook (loris) Thu 29 Jan 15 14:22
was thinking about cartoonists being driven to extinction --- so few newspapers left, whether a mainstream or alt weekly; no place for a conrad or tom tomorrow. if you cant practice and you cant aspire and you cant get paid, then.... when there were cartoons/cartoonists stepping up with cartoons in solidarity with the charlie hebdo massacre, was struck by how lame the US ones were and how much better the european ones were --- simply because it appears in europe there are still outlets for cartoonists, so they get to practice what they do and arent entirely extinct as a species. along the same lines, the new book out 'culture crash' (of course published by a university press). anyway back to TNY!
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permalink #58 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 29 Jan 15 14:41
permalink #58 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 29 Jan 15 14:41
I can't think of individual cartoons as favorites, mainly because I've been looking at them for so long. That one I mentioned early on, about saying you're a Democrat, that was obviously from the Eisenhower era. Now, cartoonists I like in the New Yorker include classics like Chas. Addams, Thurber (I spent a bunch of my childhood consuming everything I could by those two), Sempé, Steinberg. Current ones include Shanahan (long-time fan), Barsotti (RIP), Chast (obvious, huh?), Shannon Wheeler, Diffey, Haefeli (who strikes me as a modern version of what's his name...William Hamilton? The guy who mostly draws upper-crust folks...once had 'toons in the SF Chronicle, if I remember right), Steed... Not all of them hit all the time, but these spring to mind. Sometimes a woman I think is related to Joan Accocella does some witty stuff, and there are other rare sightings that don't come to mind immediately. What I miss is the occasional multi-page spread they used to do back when Crumb was contributing, even if some of them were by that miserable guy who did that interminable, eye-straining book about multiple generations of boys who hated -- and then became -- their fathers.
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permalink #59 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 29 Jan 15 14:45
permalink #59 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Thu 29 Jan 15 14:45
Incidentally, while our digital overlords have decreed that we must all read on screens from now on, I've read studies confirming my own observation that one retains less in that format. I take my iPad with the New Yorkers I haven't read with me when I travel, and I find that the long pieces are harder to read that way. The permanence of paper, plus the disposability of a magazine, is something you just don't get on line. There are people I know who say that this will eventually swing back to a manageable situation. I hope so, but have little faith that it will be so.
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permalink #60 of 101: Cindy Smith (clsmith) Thu 29 Jan 15 19:34
permalink #60 of 101: Cindy Smith (clsmith) Thu 29 Jan 15 19:34
Can't read the signature but I have had a copy of a Ny'er cartoon for a long time, featuring the Grim Reaper in front of a CEO's desk, which reads "Who the hell are you? And how did you get past Miss Merryweather?"
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permalink #61 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Thu 29 Jan 15 20:53
permalink #61 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Thu 29 Jan 15 20:53
>>What I miss is the occasional multi-page spread they used to do back when Crumb was contributing, even if some of them were by that miserable guy who did that interminable, eye-straining book about multiple generations of boys who hated -- and then became -- their fathers. They reprinted several pages of Chast's book right before it came out. But I agree that they should do it more often. Not sure who the "miserable guy" is you're talking about, though. Sounds like it could be Jules Feiffer but I'm sure it isn't.
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permalink #62 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Fri 30 Jan 15 07:37
permalink #62 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Fri 30 Jan 15 07:37
No, I finally sold the huge book he put out via my Amazon store. Title is Somebody Somebody, the Smartest Boy on Earth, only with the name in there. He occasionally does covers. Agggh.
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permalink #63 of 101: Susan Sarandon, tractors, etc. (rocket) Fri 30 Jan 15 07:54
permalink #63 of 101: Susan Sarandon, tractors, etc. (rocket) Fri 30 Jan 15 07:54
There is nothing better than sinking into a piping hot bubble bath with a fresh copy of The New Yorker. This only works with paper, may it never die.
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permalink #64 of 101: Scott Underwood (esau) Fri 30 Jan 15 09:13
permalink #64 of 101: Scott Underwood (esau) Fri 30 Jan 15 09:13
Ed is thinking of Chris Ware. I think they printed a long excerpt from "Building Stories" as well as "Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Kid on Earth." I really like Ware's geometric, nonlinear style, even if his stories are often quite bleak. Art Spiegelman has also done a couple extended pieces -- I kept one, in which he talks with Maurice Sendak. At $750 per publication, it sounds like many of these cartoonists would need second jobs, especially if the acceptance ratio is so low.
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permalink #65 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Fri 30 Jan 15 09:33
permalink #65 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Fri 30 Jan 15 09:33
But doesn't Conde Nast have a pretty good aftermarket thing set up, with selling copies (and originals), and licensing cartoons for a bunch of things, not to mention the (to me) obnoxious use of their cartoonists in multi-page advertising spreads? (And yes, Chris Ware. Bleak, hopeless, pointless, great technique).
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permalink #66 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Fri 30 Jan 15 10:54
permalink #66 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Fri 30 Jan 15 10:54
Cartoonists used to be able to almost eke out a living at The New Yorker. Not any more, alas. But I think most of them also illustrate and do other commercial work. Barsotti, for example, had a *very* lucrative deal with a British stationery company. Most artists seem to feel that Conde Nast screwed up the Cartoon Bank, which they bought from Bob Mankoff before making him cartoon editor. But, yes, print sales can add up for a popular cartoon. I forget the exact figure, but "On the Internet no one knows you're a dog" earned the artist more than $100K. Chris Ware certainly isn't for everyone. I think he's formally magnificent but emotionally chilly. Plus he works so small my eyes hurt.
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permalink #67 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Fri 30 Jan 15 10:56
permalink #67 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Fri 30 Jan 15 10:56
>>There is nothing better than sinking into a piping hot bubble bath with a fresh copy of The New Yorker. This only works with paper. I usually end up reading TNY on my phone on the subway, which is probably possible in a tub, although I've never tried. (I'd add something about this being the second funnest thing you can do with one hand, but I am not crass.)
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permalink #68 of 101: Scott Underwood (esau) Fri 30 Jan 15 11:01
permalink #68 of 101: Scott Underwood (esau) Fri 30 Jan 15 11:01
Chast has become a small industry, doing books with Steve Martin and Stephin Merritt, and of course the great "Can We Talk About Something More Pleasant?" And good for her -- I had often thought she'd be great at a long-format work.
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permalink #69 of 101: Scott Underwood (esau) Fri 30 Jan 15 11:07
permalink #69 of 101: Scott Underwood (esau) Fri 30 Jan 15 11:07
I realized the other night what must be my favorite NYer cartoon, since I repeat it often (even if it's under my breath). It's by Bruce Kaplan (BEK), showing a typical psychiatrist scene; patient on couch, doctor in chair, and the doctor angrily says: "Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Next!"
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permalink #70 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Fri 30 Jan 15 11:15
permalink #70 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Fri 30 Jan 15 11:15
Oh yeah, Chast is a factory. Most cartoonists seem happy to just get a collection out every few years although I wonder if those sell anymore. However, Chast's recent memoir and her previous book, "What I Hate: From A to Z," are definitely innovative. Which is why she was the first cartoonist to become a National Book Award finalist. One of the interesting things about such collections, as well as the magazine's annual best-of cartoon anthologies, is that you get to see the work in its original size and format. Cartoons are often resized to fit into the magazine's fairly rigid horizontal grid. Things have loosened up a little in the past couple of years due to artists' complaints. But in the past, cartoons could extend upward and outward, and sometimes even jump the page. Chast and Steed are probably the magazine's two main innovators in terms of drawing outside the box, so to speak.
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permalink #71 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Fri 30 Jan 15 11:17
permalink #71 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Fri 30 Jan 15 11:17
BEK rocks, at least as a cartoonist. Unfortunately, he was the only cartoonist I approached for my book who totally blew me off. Didn't return my emails, phone calls, nada. Yeah, I know he's Mr. HBO Executive Producer dude for "Girls" and stuff. But still.
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permalink #72 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Fri 30 Jan 15 14:22
permalink #72 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Fri 30 Jan 15 14:22
Stop the presses! Chast has a new book out. "Around the Clock" is "a whimsical tour of a day in the life of 23 children, showing the funny things they do at each hour of the day. (From 7 to 8, Billys muse/ tells him to paint the room chartreuse.)" http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/roz-chast-talks-about-her-ne w-childrens-book-around-the-clock/2015/01/28/020e25ec-a237-11e4-b146-577832eaf cb4_story.html
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permalink #73 of 101: Bill Costley (billcostley) Sun 1 Feb 15 07:01
permalink #73 of 101: Bill Costley (billcostley) Sun 1 Feb 15 07:01
I ignore the cartoons, but read the poems - because...I'm a poet.
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permalink #74 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Sun 1 Feb 15 11:39
permalink #74 of 101: Ed Ward (captward) Sun 1 Feb 15 11:39
Way to contribute to the conversation, Bill. That Chast rhyme reminds me of Edward Gorey, actually, another odd talent who would have fit in well with the New Yorker, but I don't think ever contributed to it. Richard, do you think (as I sometimes do) that New Yorker cartoons are becoming more topical (or that more of them are becoming topical) with the result that they hold their humor for a shorter period of time?
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permalink #75 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Sun 1 Feb 15 17:05
permalink #75 of 101: Richard Gehr (richardgehr) Sun 1 Feb 15 17:05
Bill, you should write a book called "I Only Read It for the Stanzas: The New Yorker's Most Brilliantly Rhyme-Averse Poets." New Yorker cartoons have always often been topical, in one way or another. I just opened "The Complete Cartoons of The New Yorker" to the magazine's first year, 1925, and saw a cartoon where a kid asks, "Pa, what's all this talk about evolution?" Dad replies, "Son, I'll have to consult my attorney before I can answer that question. I might be put in jail for it." It was the year of the Scopes trial, of course. There are plenty of cartoons about the Great Depression, WWII, and, in 1950, a guy asking his friend, "Say, Joe, what does a North Korean *look* like?" So I don't think they're any more topical now except maybe to the extent that we're all too familiar with certain unavoidable memes and clichés. Maybe there are more media references now? I liked the J. C. Duffy cartoon last week where a guy says to his wife, "LinkedIn has finally paid off it got me two new followers on Twitter." I imagined the fact checker gleefully figuring out the correct capitalization and (non-)spacing of LinkedIn.
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