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permalink #26 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Fri 8 Apr 22 16:59
permalink #26 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Fri 8 Apr 22 16:59
maybe it was more about having extra space for visitors to SF! but I met them all through the well.
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permalink #27 of 54: (chrys) Fri 8 Apr 22 18:21
permalink #27 of 54: (chrys) Fri 8 Apr 22 18:21
Now that I think about it, I met a few Well-folk because Debbie played host and then would invite us to brunch. When traveling, my Well connections often make for special opportunities. One visit to Paris included finally meeting 'invisible friends' from Belgium, Austria and Berkeley. On a trip to New Mexico, a Well-artist and book designer arranged for me to use the guest apartment in her apartment building. At my last visit to London I finally got to meet <miguel> who turns out to be a fabulous museum companion. (Several months after the pandemic hit, we launched virtual museum visits on Zoom that have turned out to be far more interesting than I had expected.) Engagement on the Well can be almost seasonal for some people, with people coming and going in their own rhythm. In one of the active periods of the <arts.> conference, a group in SF got together regularly. (I can still remember the tasty vegetarian posole that <verve> made during his residency at the Headlands Center for the Arts.) Then there is the photographic self portrait that <tnf> made in the window of a Palo Alto gallery where I had a show several years ago - a photo that he may have used to publish some of his music. That must count for something.
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permalink #28 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Fri 8 Apr 22 19:07
permalink #28 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Fri 8 Apr 22 19:07
I have met up with well people around the world! South Africa, Japan, Germany, Hungary, Australia.
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permalink #29 of 54: (chrys) Fri 8 Apr 22 19:12
permalink #29 of 54: (chrys) Fri 8 Apr 22 19:12
I remembered right - this is the photo I mentioned for David's 'Solo Electric' recording.
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permalink #30 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Fri 8 Apr 22 22:04
permalink #30 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Fri 8 Apr 22 22:04
This photo right? <https://davidgans.bandcamp.com/album/solo-electric>
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permalink #31 of 54: (chrys) Fri 8 Apr 22 22:12
permalink #31 of 54: (chrys) Fri 8 Apr 22 22:12
Thanks, Debbie. I forgot to add the link.
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permalink #32 of 54: Bix Archer (bix) Sun 10 Apr 22 15:16
permalink #32 of 54: Bix Archer (bix) Sun 10 Apr 22 15:16
Ah, it's so cool to hear about all of this! And I love your description of engagement with the WELL as "seasonal," Chris -- something that struck me when reading about the WELL was how it seemed organically integrated into a lot of user's lives, and that makes sense that different people would have different rhythms of engagement with the space. But it's also really cool to hear how it opened up different experiences around the world for you, that it really isn't a space limited to the internet. Have any of you had periods away from here and then come back (and if so, what brought you back), or have you engaged with people on here consistently since you first joined?
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permalink #33 of 54: (chrys) Sun 10 Apr 22 15:54
permalink #33 of 54: (chrys) Sun 10 Apr 22 15:54
For me the Well supports/enhances real-world engagement. It is not a substitute for or compensation for the real world. One example that comes to mind is being able to follow along the path with someone as they enter a Zen monastery and undertake years of practice - and then attending their ordination ceremony and taking a few photographs of that ceremony to share with those unable to make it.
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permalink #34 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Mon 11 Apr 22 04:31
permalink #34 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Mon 11 Apr 22 04:31
I have been here consistently since 1993, back in the time of modems and paying by the minute and learning unix to navigate around. It is pretty wild to know some people here that long. A lot has changed over that time.
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permalink #35 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Mon 11 Apr 22 04:35
permalink #35 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Mon 11 Apr 22 04:35
Have you ever tried procreate or other digital art tools, Bix? Do you ever take photos and then try out different colors digitally?
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permalink #36 of 54: Evelyn Pine (evy) Mon 11 Apr 22 13:35
permalink #36 of 54: Evelyn Pine (evy) Mon 11 Apr 22 13:35
I have to say that I wouldn't be a playwright if it was from ongoing encouragement from <soukup> and <brady>. They were both involved in PlayGround (which I learned about through The WELL) and when I joined they both took me under their wings. It was -- and still is -- great. So many people on The WELL are involved in performance of some kind I've learned a lot from them. But I gotta say part of what is compelling to me about your paintings about the early online world in the Bay Area, Bix, is how it seems to capture a sense of connectedness and friendship -- and forgive me - femininity -- which is not a concept I often think about. There's nothing cool, glassy, or metallic about the images, -- for me they're soft and rich and sociable -- and that really gets at the WELL and my WELL pals for me. So I'd love to hear more about your experience as a young, woman artist. And also about the cosy vibe in a lot of your art.
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permalink #37 of 54: David Adam Edelstein (davadam) Mon 11 Apr 22 14:54
permalink #37 of 54: David Adam Edelstein (davadam) Mon 11 Apr 22 14:54
Ive definitely had fallow periods on the WELL - Im just coming off of one, thanks to a gentle nudge by (chrys) - but I have been a member since (Bast!) 1990, and its very much like my online home town.
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permalink #38 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Mon 11 Apr 22 17:23
permalink #38 of 54: die die must try (debbie) Mon 11 Apr 22 17:23
I really like the painting I Erased the Image and Began Again, that you posted on instagram. I love the echo with Erased de Kooning Drawing.
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permalink #39 of 54: (chrys) Mon 11 Apr 22 17:54
permalink #39 of 54: (chrys) Mon 11 Apr 22 17:54
I confess to having repeatedly visited the Makeroom page referred to in the introduction to this conversation and while I can appreciate the images for what they are, I am unable to grasp the cyberspace connection. It isn't necessary, of course, as the images stand quite handsomely on their own. I wonder though, if I am missing something. This line in the accompanying text, in particular brings me to a question: "...taking as a starting point the sensory metaphors utilized by early computer users." What sensory metaphors were you pointing to there?
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permalink #40 of 54: Bix Archer (bix) Tue 12 Apr 22 06:19
permalink #40 of 54: Bix Archer (bix) Tue 12 Apr 22 06:19
Ah, I think that's a little bit of a typo on the gallery's part -- what I was mostly looking at were spatial metaphors, but I suppose "sensory" also works in that the spatial metaphors might denote some particular kind of sensory experience (that you might see/hear/feel particular sensations when in a specific place). So what I was looking at, for the 2021 paintings, was writing or records where cyberspace (broadly, or pockets within it like the WELL) was described in terms of objects and spaces from the real world (for example, as a vehicle, or as a letter on the kitchen table, etc.). And I would actually agree that, on the surface, "cyberspace" doesn't seem to be particularly present in the image, in large part because what I was curious about was taking those descriptions of cyberspace and grounding them back again in the real world, and specifically in sites around the Bay Area. This in large part stemmed from a desire to better understand the relationship between "tech" and the Bay, because by the time I was really conscious of it when growing up, it often felt like a largely antagonistic one. But in reading about the early internet, I saw how people seemed to experience it, as Evy just said, as a space of real warmth and connectedness (and as many of you have just described, as a space that enhanced your engagement with the real world -- in a symbiotic relationship with it, and as something that generated a real richness of experience). And so, back to the sensory question, I suppose I wanted to capture some of that warmth.
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permalink #41 of 54: (chrys) Tue 12 Apr 22 18:46
permalink #41 of 54: (chrys) Tue 12 Apr 22 18:46
What you say takes me back to experiences that for me had less to do with cyberspace and more with just imagining the future we wished for. It was reading Co-Evolution Quarterly and encountering J. Baldwin, Anne Herbert, Wendell Berry, Katy Butler and many others. It was listening to KPFA. It was wandering around Berkeley and stumbling on a rehearsal with Lou Harrison and Kronos Quartet. The extraordinary happened all the time and never became ordinary. There, you have kicked off a burst of memories.
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permalink #42 of 54: Miguel Marcos (miguel) Wed 13 Apr 22 09:38
permalink #42 of 54: Miguel Marcos (miguel) Wed 13 Apr 22 09:38
Yes to Chris point about The Well enhancing real engagement, moreso in the past couple of years. Chris is as stimulating and intelligent an art colleague as one could find. As weve expanded the museum visit group a little its become richer with Well colleagues.
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permalink #43 of 54: Miguel Marcos (miguel) Wed 13 Apr 22 09:38
permalink #43 of 54: Miguel Marcos (miguel) Wed 13 Apr 22 09:38
(Apologies, a late reply )
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permalink #44 of 54: Evelyn Pine (evy) Wed 13 Apr 22 13:52
permalink #44 of 54: Evelyn Pine (evy) Wed 13 Apr 22 13:52
Chrys, Bix, I think part of the reason I'm so fascinated by Bix's approach is I recently wrote a comedy about teaching on line where you see all the characters in their own homes while they're on Soon, obviously a parody of Zoom. Part of what make the online world so fascinating to me is not the idea (forgive me, Barlow) of cyberspace -- but the kind of deep connection we have in our homes while we're connecting with people all over the world. In fact, there's away that connection makes the here and nowness of my own in the moment sensory experience more alive. My desk, my cup of tea, the throw on the rocking chair, the plants in the window, the books on the shelf even as I'm reading something about Covid in Marin, or theatre in Chicago, or others deeply personal experience with triumphs, illness, new kids, aging parents (or being an aging parent) etc. Your work gets at that for me. A little drift here: Steve Silberman just posted an old WELL poster on Twitter and it was interesting hearing old WELLtrons who serviced in response taking abou the warmth of their experience -- and of course there was also <tnf> saying, "I learn something from it every day."
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permalink #45 of 54: Bix Archer (bix) Fri 15 Apr 22 08:32
permalink #45 of 54: Bix Archer (bix) Fri 15 Apr 22 08:32
It's so lovely to hear all of these reflections! I think that line of thought is so interesting, Evy, of how connecting online ties into the physical space that we're occupying when we're logging on -- what the relationship between our private lives and the online world is, and how those boundaries have maybe shifted over the course of the pandemic. Did the restriction of IRL activities at the start of the pandemic change your relationship to the WELL? I know someone mentioned virtual museum visits together, but were there other things that changed?
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permalink #46 of 54: (chrys) Fri 15 Apr 22 11:12
permalink #46 of 54: (chrys) Fri 15 Apr 22 11:12
SingThings were put on pause. SingThings were an irregular gathering in the SF Bay Area hosts by wonderful Wellfolk. Musicians and non-musicians gathered to play and sing. A Potluck event.
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permalink #47 of 54: Evelyn Pine (evy) Fri 15 Apr 22 22:00
permalink #47 of 54: Evelyn Pine (evy) Fri 15 Apr 22 22:00
I know that at one point different conferences were ZOOM because people needed a deeper hit of each other. David, Kayo, Reet and I hosted one for g beat and it was fun to see who showed up and what a bunch of beatles fans mostly stuck at home would talk about face-to-face. Other conferences Zoomed a bit as well -- some still do, but I think it was a phase. I found myself online more than usual and posting more than usual, needing more of the ground that WELL provides. I admit it, one of the things I like about the WELL is knowing there are all these discussions going on -- the Books conference for example or media or . . . and I don't have to participate -- or even lurk, I just like knowing people are hanging out, talking. But with the pandemic I definitely showed up a little bit more and threw in my two cents every once in a while. And I've definitely missed people who I usually see face to face and for two years only saw on the WELL but thank god for the WELL.
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permalink #48 of 54: Bix Archer (bix) Mon 18 Apr 22 05:37
permalink #48 of 54: Bix Archer (bix) Mon 18 Apr 22 05:37
That makes sense to me -- when the pandemic first hit, I found myself wishing I already had places to join in on conversations, etc. or participate in some kind of social life. Instead, I pretty much spent all the time I would normally be with friends at home, making paintings!
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permalink #49 of 54: Jon Lebkowsk (jonl) Mon 18 Apr 22 08:31
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