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permalink #51 of 80: Gary Lambert (almanac) Mon 16 Oct 23 20:27
permalink #51 of 80: Gary Lambert (almanac) Mon 16 Oct 23 20:27
1. Correct 2. Rex Radio and later Eyes of Chaos/Veil of Order were monthly. First as free-standing show, later, after David got a weekly two-hour show on KPFA called Dead to the World, Eyes of Chaos occupied one hour of that timeslot once a month. 3. Tales From the Golden Road started monthly, quickly promoted to weekly. 4. "Dead To the World Marathon" is actually a conflation of two different things. David gave up his weekly spot on KPFA, but "Dead To The World" has continued in the able hands of Tim Lynch (with DG referred to as "host emeritus," welcome to drop back in every now and again. The annual KPFA Grateful Dead fundraising marathon is not branded "Dead To The World," AFAIK. David has regularly returned to cohost the marathons with Tim.
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permalink #52 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Tue 17 Oct 23 08:46
permalink #52 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Tue 17 Oct 23 08:46
THe Grateful Dead Hour started as the KFOG Deadhead Hour in November 1984. I appeared in February 1985 to promote my book. The host of the show, the late M Dung, was seriously overworked: he was the morning drive DJ five days a week and he had the Sunday Night Idiot Show, too. So he was very happy to have help from me and some other fans with tape collections. I contributed music to the show for a few months and then was invited to take over as the producer and host. I was happy to do that, just for the fun of it - but then other stations started to ask if they could carry our show. That is how I became the producer/host of a nationally syndicated radio show! Just another lucky break in my improvised life.
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permalink #53 of 80: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 17 Oct 23 11:26
permalink #53 of 80: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 17 Oct 23 11:26
"M Dung" was quite a guy. I miss him.
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permalink #54 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Tue 17 Oct 23 12:11
permalink #54 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Tue 17 Oct 23 12:11
Yeah, he was a sweetheart.
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permalink #55 of 80: Scott Underwood (esau) Tue 17 Oct 23 12:26
permalink #55 of 80: Scott Underwood (esau) Tue 17 Oct 23 12:26
I loved KFOG in the '80s. Lee "Baby" Simms in the morning, handing it off to Dave Morey after the brilliant "10 at 10" feature. Then Morey moved to the morning and Dung started taking the next shift? eventually moving to the mornings. Also, Acoustic Sunrise with Rosalie Howarth was a favorite. Dung's Deadhead show was really my first awareness of the Dead both as a different kind of band (beyond "Truckin'" and "Sugar Magnolia") and as a social phenomenon, these Deadheads I kept hearing about. But I seldom listened to the radio during that time slot (same with the Idiot Show) and GD didn't stick with me then. I seem to remember a late-night prog-rock show there, too. Dung was a bit of a throwback as a DJ, talking over intros and outros and sometimes middles, like Wolfman Jack, maybe? But his enthusiasm for the music was infectious.
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permalink #56 of 80: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 17 Oct 23 13:09
permalink #56 of 80: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 17 Oct 23 13:09
His Idiot Show, oldies all the way back, was an education for my household.
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permalink #57 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Tue 17 Oct 23 13:38
permalink #57 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Tue 17 Oct 23 13:38
> I seem to remember a late-night prog-rock show there, too. The Deadhead Hour was part of a strip of shows at 10pm on weeknights. They had reggae, "new age," and I forget what the other two were.
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permalink #58 of 80: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 17 Oct 23 13:59
permalink #58 of 80: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 17 Oct 23 13:59
They were Midnight Dread with Doug Wendt (reggae), Musical Starstream with Frank Forest (new age/space), and Blues Power Hour with Mark Naftalin (blues) according to the third press clipping at Wendt's site midnightdread.com. Wendt's show were also formative and fondly remembered.
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permalink #59 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Tue 17 Oct 23 16:12
permalink #59 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Tue 17 Oct 23 16:12
Doug is in Montana now. I think he does online radio.
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permalink #60 of 80: Scott Underwood (esau) Tue 17 Oct 23 16:30
permalink #60 of 80: Scott Underwood (esau) Tue 17 Oct 23 16:30
Back to your on-air collaborations -- what's that process like? I suspect that, unlike the days of M. Dung when you were looking for tapes from other fans to play, you both must have access to an overwhelming amount of material to choose from. Do you share a mind-meld where one suggests X song from Y date and that's all that's needed to be said, or is there more pre-air shaping required? Beyond that communication, what is the collection like these days? There must be very little that is undigitized and available. Given thirty years of GD material, pre-GD material from Jerry, plus solo and side projects, post-Jerry GD tours, and all of the music from Dead-adjacent musicians -- how do you manage to whittle down a set within the constraints of a radio show?
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permalink #61 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Wed 18 Oct 23 10:13
permalink #61 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Wed 18 Oct 23 10:13
I am the solo host/producer of the GD Hour, so I don't have to consult with anybody. I have a pretty huge collection of recordings I retrieved from the GD vault back in the day, and there are lots of other excellent recordings available through other channels. And - more importantly - these guys keep making new music for me to play on the radio!! The GD Hour mission is to "put the dead's best musical foot forward" every week. I feature complete concerts from the GD archive (spread out over several weeks), interspersed with highlights from new releases (new and archival), new works from band members, original version of songs the Dead cov ered, covers of Dead originals by others, and occsionall interviews from my archive.
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permalink #62 of 80: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Wed 18 Oct 23 16:29
permalink #62 of 80: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Wed 18 Oct 23 16:29
The whole genre of other groups covering Dead music is an under-appreciated vein, I think. I remember when "Deadicated" album came out in what 1990?
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permalink #63 of 80: Scott Underwood (esau) Wed 18 Oct 23 16:59
permalink #63 of 80: Scott Underwood (esau) Wed 18 Oct 23 16:59
I enjoyed that! I also liked the more recent and large "Day of the Dead" compilation that The National compiled and played on, though it occasionally gets weird!
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permalink #64 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Thu 19 Oct 23 08:59
permalink #64 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Thu 19 Oct 23 08:59
Detroit Saxophonist Dave McMurray has releaesd two volumes of Dead music, and the Joch SCofield Trio just released a double album that includes "Uncle John's Band" (the title track). And lots more!
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permalink #65 of 80: Gary Lambert (almanac) Thu 19 Oct 23 12:37
permalink #65 of 80: Gary Lambert (almanac) Thu 19 Oct 23 12:37
Just for context, I should note that what Scott was asking about in #60 doesn't apply much to our collaborative effort on "Tales From The Golden Road." Being a weekly two-hour talk and listener-participation show, we generally only have room for two music tracks of relatively short duration in each episode. Sometimes those choices will related to the subject matter of the week's conversation, as when we are interviewing someone from the Dead-adjacent world with a new album or upcoming gig to promote, or if we want to call attention to a recent release from the GD vault. Other times, the selections might just be there as a brief respite from the chatter, or because the phone calls are tapering off and we want some time to fill up the lines. One nice benefit of being on a channel that has the official blessing of the Dead organization, or the management of the various band members' individual and collaborative endeavors, is that we can access our music choices freely and easily - so if, for example, during the recent final Dead & Company tour, the band played some rarity, or a particularly fine version of a standby in the repertoire, we can download a great-sounding audio file of the performance and have it on the air while it's still fresh news.
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permalink #66 of 80: Scott Underwood (esau) Thu 19 Oct 23 16:06
permalink #66 of 80: Scott Underwood (esau) Thu 19 Oct 23 16:06
> the recent final Dead & Company tour Hey, I saw a number of those shows! David was kind enough to invite Susan and me over and we enjoyed a ringside seat as suddenly you two were doing a little live commentary during halftime, and you introduced the prerecorded interviews. We enjoyed it enough that got our own subscription to <nugs.net> to see the rest of the run. In fact, I've seen much more of Dead & Co than I've seen of original GD videos, though I have seen a couple of show-length movies as well. The interviews with some of the D&Co players were outstanding. I'm especially thinking of John Mayer and Oteil Burbridge, though the ones with, Jay Lane, Bob Weir, and Mickey Hart had their moments as well. Mayer in particular was articulate and even passionate about his experiences playing in the band, and discussed a kind of revelation he'd had about adapting his role within the gestalt of this beast of a project. They all seemed entirely comfortable talking to you two and you have the observational skills to let them know you really did see what was going on onstage. Caller, do you have a question? Oh, uh, not really, no. Keep it up!
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permalink #67 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Fri 20 Oct 23 08:57
permalink #67 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Fri 20 Oct 23 08:57
That Dead Air thing was such a wonderful experience! And - again, testifying to the magnificence of my partner: of the 50+ interviews we did in three years, we edited only two pieces, and those edits were for technical issues rather than content. Moreover, we never once made a list of questions nor discussed how to proceed. We just did 'em. (BTW we are discussig the possibility of publishing a book of the interviews.)
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permalink #68 of 80: Alex Davie (icenine) Sat 21 Oct 23 03:27
permalink #68 of 80: Alex Davie (icenine) Sat 21 Oct 23 03:27
True improvisation on yalls part Good on ya, both!
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permalink #69 of 80: Dave Waite (dwaite) Sat 21 Oct 23 05:43
permalink #69 of 80: Dave Waite (dwaite) Sat 21 Oct 23 05:43
Oh - I like that book idea!
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permalink #70 of 80: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Tue 24 Oct 23 05:35
permalink #70 of 80: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Tue 24 Oct 23 05:35
This conversation was set for two weeks, which means it formally ended yesterday, though it can informally continue as long as there's conversation. Many thanks to <esau> (Scott Underwood) for leading the conversation, and to <tnf> (David Gans) and <almanac> (Gary Lambert) for taking us down the golden road (to unlimited devotion)! Well everybody's dancin' in a ring around the sun Nobody's finished, we ain't even begun. So take off your shoes, child, and take off your hat. Try on your wings and find our where it's at. Hey hey, hey, come (party every day) Hey hey, hey, come (party every day)...
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permalink #71 of 80: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Tue 24 Oct 23 07:24
permalink #71 of 80: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Tue 24 Oct 23 07:24
Thanks for a fun and fascinating conversation. As something of an outsider to the subculture, it was great to learn more about the broadcasting side of things. Radio seems like such a fitting medium for the Dead-- there's liveness, improvisation, participation from callers, unpredictable reach into people's homes and cars and workplaces.
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permalink #72 of 80: Scott Underwood (esau) Tue 24 Oct 23 08:43
permalink #72 of 80: Scott Underwood (esau) Tue 24 Oct 23 08:43
Thanks to David and Gary for the glimpse backstage and showing how you embody the ethos of the Grateful Dead. Improvisation isn't just about making it up as you go along but about creating something with others, being open to opportunities and listening to the people playing with you. You've both been selflessly generous with your knowledge and passion for the Dead, just to help people get on the bus! I want to note that David announced he'll be teaching a six-week class on the Grateful Dead for Stanford University's Continuing Studies, which seems like a perfect new channel for this effort.
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permalink #73 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Tue 24 Oct 23 08:52
permalink #73 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Tue 24 Oct 23 08:52
Yes! I'll post the info once it's announced and registration opens. I would also like to post a link to my online store, where I have three books and a pile of CDs (original, improvised, and otherwise) plus mugs and t- shirts: <https://perfectible.net>
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permalink #74 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Wed 6 Mar 24 08:52
permalink #74 of 80: David Gans (tnf) Wed 6 Mar 24 08:52
From a member of the class I just taught for Stanford Continuing Studies: > As long as I am emailing, I wanted to tell you about how much your XM show > has meant to my wife and me. For the first years of our marriage, we were > urban dwellers without a need for a car. Then, when we bought one, we took > roadtrips nearly every weekend.** When we discovered "Tales from the > Golden Road," we started trying to time our Sunday drives home to be able > to hear it. Yours and Gary Lambert's show became associated in our minds > with freedom, our honeymoon stage, and all those good things. (This sounds > very saccharine, and it is, but it's also true!) Then later, we moved to > Denver and became parents. And, in Mountain Time, TFTGR comes on during > kid naptime. So, TFTGR became associated not just with all the good things > I just mentioned but also with a job well done in getting the children to > sleep!
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permalink #75 of 80: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Wed 6 Mar 24 09:07
permalink #75 of 80: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Wed 6 Mar 24 09:07
Awww :-) A cool cultural legacy.
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