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permalink #526 of 1905: excessively heterosexual (saiyuk) Tue 12 Sep 00 06:56
permalink #526 of 1905: excessively heterosexual (saiyuk) Tue 12 Sep 00 06:56
the arbitrary placement of contract clauses
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permalink #527 of 1905: Lenny Bailes (jroe) Tue 12 Sep 00 12:40
permalink #527 of 1905: Lenny Bailes (jroe) Tue 12 Sep 00 12:40
Also, Karawynn Long had a story that was withdrawn from the book for the same reason. She's posted it online at http://www.sff.net/people/karawynn/delirium.htp
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permalink #528 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 12 Sep 00 12:42
permalink #528 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 12 Sep 00 12:42
Actually, not. Karawynn Long and Neil Gaiman couldn't agree on a rewrite. She probably hated the contract too, she's no fool, but I don't think it got to that point.
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permalink #529 of 1905: gone (scraps) Tue 12 Sep 00 12:48
permalink #529 of 1905: gone (scraps) Tue 12 Sep 00 12:48
Lenny's version is what Karawynn said at the time, FWIW. She understood the story to have been accepted.
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permalink #530 of 1905: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Tue 12 Sep 00 13:10
permalink #530 of 1905: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Tue 12 Sep 00 13:10
I think it still says the story was accepted on the webpage that Lenny mentioned. FWIW.
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permalink #531 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 12 Sep 00 14:21
permalink #531 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 12 Sep 00 14:21
She understood her story to be accepted without the changes? I'm long out of this loop, so I could be wrong.
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permalink #532 of 1905: gone (scraps) Tue 12 Sep 00 14:30
permalink #532 of 1905: gone (scraps) Tue 12 Sep 00 14:30
There was a disagreement about that. Karawynn believed the story to have been accepted, and doubtless still does today. Beyond that I ought not speak for her.
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permalink #533 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 12 Sep 00 15:53
permalink #533 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 12 Sep 00 15:53
I ought not to speak for anyone. All I really know about is my own experience--which, again, not Neil's fault!
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permalink #534 of 1905: David Gans (tnf) Tue 12 Sep 00 20:19
permalink #534 of 1905: David Gans (tnf) Tue 12 Sep 00 20:19
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 03:09:55 +0000 From: JonRa <clanra@x-stream.co.uk> Organization: Cult of the Great Old Ones To: inkwell-hosts@well.com Subject: for Neil Gaiman conference :) hello, a friend said i might be able to give you something to post on this conference... i think the site is great, but sadly am a little short on funds, so if you could it would be very much appreciated :) oh and please feel free to laugh :) erm...this is it... :) "Hullo Neil, so I finally get around to alerting you to the ickle coincidinkies which have been plaguing me for a while... :) Oh, and how are you...coping with weather?...You must feel at home :) Well anyhows...you see...we share birthdays...but then i guess alot of people do:) I think i was born at about 5.45pm, or was that my daughter???Hmm, time isn't really the first thing on your mind when giving birth i suppose :) Also i was born on the night of HUGE storms in England...(1977)...my dad bought my mum a bunch of flowers and they were only stalks when he arrived at the hospital due to the gales :)...but i digress :) I recently had the pleasure of reading Stardust, only to find that 2 characters shared 2 of my names...My middle name, Victoria(Vicky) as in Victoria Forrester - I was also named after Queen Victoria, and Cecilia...my confirmation name :) Then tonight I read Chivalry (sweet, reminded me of my Grandma) and Marie ran off with Galahad...Marie is my first name (it was a catholic christening). This kinda leads me to my question...which you (obviously) don't have to answer...were you brought up catholic?I only ask because there seem to be fairly frequent references to at least christianity...also as well as such scary ppl as lewis carroll, might this explain some the may i say darker side to your writing which i find endlessly addictive, and usually shocking. I get the impression you enjoy the cruelty of a non-happy ending...maybe cruelty is too strong a word :) Oh and btw, thanks ever so much...in the last 6 months you taght me 2 very important things...the death quote...something along the lines of "noone is creep from the inside", that certainly allowed me to look on people in a whole new light...and something you said about anyone having ideas, it taking the time to put them on paper...it gave me the right kick up the backside to finally start writing seriously and follow the daydream i had buried under realism and willingness to please :) My proudest moment came when my mother said i had returned to airy-fairy land :) Oh and please could you send my love to Tori and family...even if she is making me broody as hell :) Nice to finally communicate Vicky" OK, that's it :) Hope it isn't too long...thanks alot guys :) Vicky x
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permalink #535 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 13 Sep 00 05:26
permalink #535 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 13 Sep 00 05:26
Am in Stockholm. Very sleepy, not having slept yet in the whole travelling bit. Read YEAR'S BEST FANTASY & HORROR 13 on the plane. JUst ate lunch and listened to the swedish army brass band playing Abba's SUPER TROOPER in the town square. Kept expecting a giant glitter ball to come down from the sky. It was a long time ago but my recollection is that Karawynn's story basically got shafted by Harper Collins -- she wasn't happy with the contract either, but the four people who I apologised to in the dedication had actually had stories fully accepted and bought. I liked Karawynn's story and wanted to take it -- thought it had been accepted, pending rewrites -- but then Harper Collins decided the book was too long already, and Karawynn's story was longer than we had room for, and there were various miscommunications between Ed Kramer and Karawynn which meant that I'm still not sure what happened next -- whether she pulled it or there simply wasn't room. It wasn't that K & I couldn't agree on a rewrite -- I think HC simply decided the book was full before we got to that point; and the contract issue didn't help. I know that Karawynn was pleased to have the story up on her web page -- she's told me that she's got terrific feedback on it over the years, and I'm pleased she didn't have to cut it there. Vicky -- what a wonderful set of coincidences. Nope, I wasn't brought up Catholic, although I'm sure some crept in around the edges from my fondness for GK Chesterton. All my guilt is jewish. I think my favorite endings are inevitable. It's not the happy or the sad, it's how you get there that matters... signed sleepy in stockholm (I get a nap now and then to the Comics Library)
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permalink #536 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 13 Sep 00 11:45
permalink #536 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 13 Sep 00 11:45
Is Stockholm a nice place to be sleepy in?
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permalink #537 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 13 Sep 00 13:38
permalink #537 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 13 Sep 00 13:38
Thanks for the explanation!!
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permalink #538 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Wed 13 Sep 00 19:48
permalink #538 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Wed 13 Sep 00 19:48
Night Neil. Sleep well.
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permalink #539 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Fri 15 Sep 00 14:53
permalink #539 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Fri 15 Sep 00 14:53
In Gothenburg at the book fair. Having a lot of fun with Terry Pratchett -- just like old times, except we're older, richer and fatter. But we still make each other laugh a lot. Having fun with coming up with NEW things to write in people's copies of Good Omens (soon to be a major motion picture). Talking of Ed Kramer, I see from today's e-mail that he's made the Atlanta newspapers with accusations of Child Molestation, and is currently in jail without being allowed bail. Ick. The curse of Karawynn Long is slow in coming but deadly when it finally arrives.
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permalink #540 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 15 Sep 00 14:55
permalink #540 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 15 Sep 00 14:55
That's a terrible accusation, so I hope it's not true.
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permalink #541 of 1905: Sunny Albright (sunnyrose) Fri 15 Sep 00 18:59
permalink #541 of 1905: Sunny Albright (sunnyrose) Fri 15 Sep 00 18:59
Just a quick post to report that after much ado with UPS breaking major rules and having it disappear into the city for a few days, the jacket is now safe in my apartment. Too bad I'm still stuck at the Grand Canyon. I am going to try to convince the CBLDF to let me charge a small donation for a polaroid of whoever wants one wearing the thing. A whole lot of people have asked to try it on. Anyway. Back to babysitting. *grumble*
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permalink #542 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 15 Sep 00 19:15
permalink #542 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 15 Sep 00 19:15
There's no reason you can't take a donation and add 'em up and write a check to the CBLDF! Good idea.
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permalink #543 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 16 Sep 00 10:22
permalink #543 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 16 Sep 00 10:22
Sunny -- absolutely! Charge 'em ten bucks for the CBLDF to try it on and have a polaroid in it. Charge 'em $15 for photos of you in the jacket. How is it to wear? It had only just come back from being redyed the day I sent it off to the CBLDF, so it was very black but a little stinky from dye. I trust it has enough pockets for you... Martha, like you I wish it weren't true about Ed and hope it's not.
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permalink #544 of 1905: Sunny (sunnyrose) Sat 16 Sep 00 14:38
permalink #544 of 1905: Sunny (sunnyrose) Sat 16 Sep 00 14:38
Woah... I posted a little description to AFNG: "It fits. Makes me look like a big, black marshmallow (goth marshmallow?), but it fits. It weighs about 6 lbs (umm I think thats like 2.7 kg to our metric friends), smells kind of yicky, and makes abominable squeaky noises when you try to move in it. Its got neato pockets on the inside (all empty), and worn elbows, and theres a green tag that says 930 stuck with one of those little plastic doohickeys to the inside of the left sleeve." Pockets good. Although it means I will be forever doing the cigarette-looky-dance. I must say, I felt really guilty for having bought it until I tried it on...*whisper* it's the coolest jacket I have ever seen (and I own about 15 jackets). You think $10? That was my original thought, but my boyfriend suggested I go a bit lower so that more people could do it. Hmmm...charging for photos of me? Not likely. Right now I am trying to decide if I have lost enough weight to appease both my sense of exhibitionism and about 4 million weirdo guy requests by posting photos on my website. In any case, photos of one sort or another are forthcoming.
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permalink #545 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 16 Sep 00 14:49
permalink #545 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 16 Sep 00 14:49
Sunny, oh good. It should stop squeaking with wear, that must be from the redying job too, I think (it had faded with wear, so the body of the jacket was blue and the additions were black). You know, I honestly don't think there's anyone out there who could afford $5 who couldn't afford $10, if you see what I mean... It's for a good cause. Make it $10... ......... Had a long day signing with Terry Pratchett at the Swedish Bookfair. hard work but very good fun, I think. Terry and I have been making up lots of new Good Omens two part messages, of which my favourites are "Heaven Can Wait/Hell will be right over" and a variation on an old favourite "Armageddon in Coming!/Look Busy" home tomorrow morning.
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permalink #546 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sat 16 Sep 00 16:05
permalink #546 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sat 16 Sep 00 16:05
That jacket's been around long enough it's had cigarettes in its pockets before.
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permalink #547 of 1905: Sarah Rudek (sunnyrose) Sat 16 Sep 00 16:20
permalink #547 of 1905: Sarah Rudek (sunnyrose) Sat 16 Sep 00 16:20
For the benefit of Linda and Co., Sunny let me borrow her account. Speaking for myself, five dollars sounds much better than ten. Ten dollars could buy an entire pack of polaroids, and even if it's for a good cause, it's still 1/10th of all the money I have in the world right now. So now that the well community knows my current financial status, I'll just cough and continue. Anyways, just a couple of Sandman-ish questions, in case you were missing them. In Death: The High Cost of Living, is the 'gloved woman' meant to bring such strong echoes of Wanda, or is that a completely separate story? Also, in the end, did you have a specific disease/condition in mind with Didi? Okay, I think I managed to ask both of those without any spoilers. Thank you, and hope the flight home goes well. Are you *always* this brain swirlingly busy? -Sarah http://www.crosswinds.net/~ambienteye
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permalink #548 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sat 16 Sep 00 16:30
permalink #548 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sat 16 Sep 00 16:30
Charge $10, but give a pay-what-you-can discount.
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permalink #549 of 1905: Sunny Albri (sunnyrose) Sat 16 Sep 00 17:05
permalink #549 of 1905: Sunny Albri (sunnyrose) Sat 16 Sep 00 17:05
<scribbled by sunnyrose>
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permalink #550 of 1905: Sarah Rudek (sunnyrose) Sat 16 Sep 00 17:23
permalink #550 of 1905: Sarah Rudek (sunnyrose) Sat 16 Sep 00 17:23
Well, that was strange. The same post twice, 45 minutes apart. So that was me who scribbled #549, which was the same as #547, not 'Sunny Albri'. Can you tell I'm not a native?
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