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permalink #626 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 27 Sep 00 17:44
permalink #626 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 27 Sep 00 17:44
madman, I'm glad no-one was hurt. Jouni - I do have an attic, yes. But apart from the corpses of legions of flies, occasional bats, and boxes filled with tee shirts, there's not a lot in there. Murder Mysteries -- in all honesty, I don't know much about it. As far as I know, they guys doing it are doing it as an arts and crafts project, rather than as a major publishing enterprise. I have a copy here, and need to proofread it, and probably ask if I can do an afterword or something (it has a rather strange introduction about how no-one listens to radio plays any more, which seems an odd thing to write for something that was never written for the radio, but for the internet, and has been listened to a fair bit...) Reg -- but Shakespeare's clowns aren't disturbing or scary. Mostly, they're irritating. "Why nuncle, belike th'art either a cuckold or a lemon drop!" "And for why, fool?" "Easily said. A cuckold has horns not his own on his head, but a lemon drop gets sticky and hairy if you drop it half-sucked on the carpet." "Why then, be off with you fool, and get yourself a better haircut." "Aye, aye, but there'll be a quitch of bacon in my grommet betimes." etc. Sorry to hear I won't be going to Australia. i did get one invitation from a for-profit con, but the impression I got was that I was expected to sign for 12 hours a day. And I can do that without flying to Australia. Or, more to the point, I don't have to do it. Which is much more fun.
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permalink #627 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 27 Sep 00 17:52
permalink #627 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 27 Sep 00 17:52
I just printed out the first draft of the novel. One and a halfth spaced, it's 538 pages. There is a great deal of corsetry, maquillage, cosmetic surgery and filing off the rough edges still to do. Not to mention making sure that all the chapters have the right quotes at the top of them. And I suspect that after the book has gone to its editors in the US and the UK, there will be some rewrites and expansion of some bits in chapters 17, and possibly something between chapters 17 and 18... But I can get a haircut now. About time.
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permalink #628 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 27 Sep 00 18:02
permalink #628 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 27 Sep 00 18:02
Congratulations! Meanwhile, the library informs me that my requested Sandmans (?Sandmen?) have managed to complete the crawl over the bridge and are now awaiting me...
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permalink #629 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 27 Sep 00 18:21
permalink #629 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Wed 27 Sep 00 18:21
Isn't Mike in the attic? Congrats on the finished draft!
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permalink #630 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Wed 27 Sep 00 21:26
permalink #630 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Wed 27 Sep 00 21:26
Congrats on finishing the book...
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permalink #631 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Wed 27 Sep 00 21:28
permalink #631 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Wed 27 Sep 00 21:28
Or should I say..congrats on finding the ending and have fun with the retouching..
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permalink #632 of 1905: Elise Matthesen (lioness) Wed 27 Sep 00 21:38
permalink #632 of 1905: Elise Matthesen (lioness) Wed 27 Sep 00 21:38
Yay, yay, YAY, Neil!
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permalink #633 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 27 Sep 00 22:43
permalink #633 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Wed 27 Sep 00 22:43
Well, Mike's bedroom is attic floor level. But he's not *in* the attic. He's off the attic. So far one person's read it through -- Mary, my wife -- and she liked it very much. She felt that the endings work.
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permalink #634 of 1905: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 28 Sep 00 04:53
permalink #634 of 1905: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 28 Sep 00 04:53
Email from reg: Congratulations Neil. I'm sure that it's a great load off your mind both figuratively and literally. Any thoughts on how many words you are going to get cut off your hair? Should we expect to see a new look? Or a return to the classical mullet? I don't blame you for turning down conventions like that. No-one really enjoys them except the folk making the money and I'd prefer that you not come out here at all than come out here and have a wretched time. Re:Shakespeare's clowns, my more serious suggestion would be that I think humour is a temporal thing in the same way that it is a cultural thing. It is rare to find any classical "comic masterpiece" which comes across today as thigh-slappingly funny in the way it was viewed in its own period. Most of the humour in "Gulliver's Travels" would probably be considered gross by even the Farrelly brothers today, and most of the humour in "Don Quixote" would make Japanese gameshow viewers uncomfortable. I think it is the same thing with Charlie Chaplin movies, which apparently had 'em rolling in the aisles when they were first shown, but now seem little more than whimsical, sentimental and occasionally rather misanthropic curiosities. I would also make a special case amongst Shakespeare's clowns for Lear's fool who, whilst obviously the inspiration for your little pastiche, manages to rise above being just an amusement for the groundlings, to become a truly poignant figure in his own right. Oh, alright, he's still not funny. Reg
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permalink #635 of 1905: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 28 Sep 00 05:02
permalink #635 of 1905: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 28 Sep 00 05:02
From Jouni: Yesss... Onneksi olkoon! Congratulations on finishing the book! Jouni
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permalink #636 of 1905: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 28 Sep 00 05:05
permalink #636 of 1905: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 28 Sep 00 05:05
Email from Scott Conner: Greetings and Salutations. First of all, congratulations on finishing the draft. Really looking forward to the book. Second, I too would have really liked to have had Edward Gorey illustrations in Coraline. Which leads me to ask: What other collaborators (in any medium you work in) would you like to work with that you haven't been able to thus far? I fully intend on picking up a copy of your collaboration with Harlan Ellison as soon as they take it out of the box, or preferably sooner. And good luck with the pumpkin(s). Is a pumpkin large enough for Maddie to fit in the possible genesis of a story somwhere in the future? Thanks for your time and accessiblity here on the forum. 'tis much appreciated and very entertaining.
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permalink #637 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 08:40
permalink #637 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 08:40
Reg -- No idea what the haircut will be. I was thinking of having it practically shaved off, but it's getting cold now, so that seems silly. And, no, that wasn't meant to be the Fool from Lear. That was meant to be the Fool from As You Like It. Or the Fool from Twelfth Night... And what I find so strange -- and the conversation with Jim Miller -- was that Shakespeare has no trouble writing humour: Bottom and his bunch are hilarious. But that's character based comedy. Jim's theory is that most of that stuff is Will Kemp's improvs. "Hey Will, get up there and do the fool stuff." My theory was much closer to yours. I found it strange that when I tried to play the Goon Show tapes to my kids they simply blinked and shrugged (although they loved Round the Horne). But then, why is Chaplin so icky, when Buster Keaton and Harold Lloyd and Laurel and Hardy are still so damn funny? Scott -- dunno. Let's see...Brian Froud would be fun to work with. I'll write a pumpkin story one day, I expect. But there are a lot of stories that need to be written before that.
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permalink #638 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 08:49
permalink #638 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 08:49
how odd -- I just wrote a post about finishing things and about finishing this book (in first draft) and suchlike that seems to have evaporated into the ether. And I even told Reg he was right on the King Lear thing, really, although the fools are much of a muchness... and I posted it, and it vanished. Odd.
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permalink #639 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 28 Sep 00 11:57
permalink #639 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 28 Sep 00 11:57
Off the attic? I see, this is your own strange personal definition of "attic" that has to do with use and not location. Don't shave your hair down!
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permalink #640 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 28 Sep 00 15:04
permalink #640 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 28 Sep 00 15:04
Cassie writes from the Internet: Neil, congrats on finishing the draft of the book! And along the same lines as Scott's question, I have a more specific question -- have you ever thought about working with Tony DiTerlizzi? He's worked with TSR, White Wolf, and Wizards of the Coast mostly, but recently put out his own children's book, Jimmy Zangwow's Out-of-This-World Moon Pie Adventure. I'd love to see my favorite author and my favorite artist working together. Cassie
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permalink #641 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 28 Sep 00 16:22
permalink #641 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 28 Sep 00 16:22
A Cassie--but not my Cassy. (Though people are always misspelling her name that way.)
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permalink #642 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 17:29
permalink #642 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 17:29
Cassie, Is that the Tony who did those lovely pictures of Tori, years ago? He gave me some. ... Sendak. I'd love to write something for Maurice Sendak. But mostly I've been spoiled over 12 years of comics. I got to work with most of the greats, and most of the people I wanted to work with. I did Mr Punch with Dave McKean. I got to write a novel with Terry Pratchett. Lots of fun collaborative things happened. I really don't have a burning desire to work with anyone else, living. Which is not to say that I won't. (Hmm... Brian Froud....) But is to say that it's less of a driving engine. I'd like to work with actors more, though.
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permalink #643 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 17:33
permalink #643 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 17:33
On the other hand, since no man is an island, I'd welcome collaborative input on: 1) haircuts. Shall I just go and get the hair cut, or shall I do some kind of something with it for the CBLDF? (I dunno exactly what. Maybe someone could stuff a cushion with it. Or something.) 2) cats. Anyone in the Minneapolis area want a soppy, friendly, pretty, neutered coffee-and-caramel-coloured tom cat? Too many cat dominance issues going on between him and the house's other male cat. He answers to the name of Lucy-The-Boy-Cat but would probably be very relieved to be called something else.
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permalink #644 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 28 Sep 00 17:37
permalink #644 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 28 Sep 00 17:37
Is this another cat that Maddy named? You could get the hair cut and save it for later donation of some sort. If it was six inches or more of hair, you could donate it to a good organization that makes human-hair wigs for kids having chemo, but it surely can't be that long.
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permalink #645 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 19:14
permalink #645 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 19:14
Martha -- spot on. A Maddy-named cat. Not quite as brilliant a name as Beanflower, but still, a fine name. I'm sure it's longer than 6 inches in the back, but not on top.
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permalink #646 of 1905: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 28 Sep 00 20:56
permalink #646 of 1905: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 28 Sep 00 20:56
Emailed by Scott Conner: Neil, would it be tasteless to suggest that the leftover hair be marketed as the Gaiman trichinobezoar collectible? ; )
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permalink #647 of 1905: Sarah Rudek (sunnyrose) Thu 28 Sep 00 21:54
permalink #647 of 1905: Sarah Rudek (sunnyrose) Thu 28 Sep 00 21:54
If I had a place to call my own, I'd be the first to raise my hand. I'll gladly check around with my cat-able friends. About the hair, I think that with a little lamination, they could make great bookmarks. They do it all the time with dead flowers... You could embellish it with an excerpt or something equally as fun...I'd get one. :) I also see beautiful paperweights...but I don't think I've ever met anyone who actually used a paperweight. Or maybe I just have a little affixation with clear plastic... RenFest was fun, and I tried very hard to ignore the fact that Neil Gaiman was writing but a couple feet away from us druing that last Bedlam show. So, were you working on American Gods, then? I'd like to read it and joyfully exclaim, 'Spee! I saw that part happening!'. Also, I was asked to post this link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=452875625 Premium tickets for the LA Guardian Angel Tour, and right now they're at well below ticketmaster prices. So go bid! :) And Jouni - Here's a link for a little more info on Murder Mysteries: http://www3.sympatico.ca/george.walker/gaiman.htm
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permalink #648 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 23:08
permalink #648 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Thu 28 Sep 00 23:08
Scott -- not really. But the big question is whose stomach it'll be cut out of. Sarah -- I thought of you, and of Shira, as locals who might need an affable long-haired cat. And then I thought, well, probably you aren't good candidates, and Shira's parents would probably never let her read anything else I ever wrote if I dumped a cat on her.... but I'm sure there'll be someone around. (Well, maybe. "I'm not auctioning *him* for the CBLDF," I said to my assistant.) The bit that I was writing was the scene in chapter 17, where Easter and the madman go to the ash tree south of Blacksburg.
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permalink #649 of 1905: Reg (regosborne) Fri 29 Sep 00 03:37
permalink #649 of 1905: Reg (regosborne) Fri 29 Sep 00 03:37
It was the "nuncle" that gave it away. I suspect Jim is right to some extent. (I'm sure he'll be very relieved about that.)It's easy to forget that Shakespeare was writing for a regular company and had to give them all the most suitable material. To say nothing of the fact that the folio editions are by no means an exact representation of what was originally written. I admit that my theory has some great gaping holes in it. Some things remain eternally funny. As anyone who saw the footage of Bill Gates in Paris earlier in the year will attest, the pie in the face gag still works. Actually W.S. Gilbert was the exception that sprung to my mind. Admittedly, most modern G&S productions take liberties with the script, but the originals still stand up quite well. Anyway, you are quite right. Shakespeare's clowns are not really funny to a modern audience. On the hair question, if you are not desperate to denude your head as soon as possible, how about a "Cut Neil Gaiman's Hair" auction for the CBLDF? You might need to set some pretty firm limits on how much you want removed, but who knows how many closet hairdressers there are out there just waiting for such an opportunity. And yes, I felt so guilty about these good inkwell people having to post so many comments from me, I went and got myself an account. Reg
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permalink #650 of 1905: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Fri 29 Sep 00 07:34
permalink #650 of 1905: Laurel Krahn (lakrahn) Fri 29 Sep 00 07:34
I think most fannish households in Minneapolis have reached cat capacity, but I'll ask a few folks at the Minn-stf meeting/party this weekend. (Actually, most households I know have added more cats than they thought they should have, go figure, because of cats they couldn't resist). Maybe Elise has some ideas? I can't have more than two cats in my apartment (and I'm reluctant to tempt fate anyway as these two male cats get along great).
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