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permalink #901 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Sun 22 Oct 00 23:40
permalink #901 of 1905: Amanda Slack-Smith (ancient-booer) Sun 22 Oct 00 23:40
LOL
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permalink #902 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sun 22 Oct 00 23:41
permalink #902 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sun 22 Oct 00 23:41
And so to bed. It'll probably be a few more days until i get to stop and read everything throroughly and post considered replies -- as it is it's a bit of an on-the-run thing, so if there was something you wanted a reply to that I haven't, repost it. And goodnight...
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permalink #903 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 23 Oct 00 18:39
permalink #903 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 23 Oct 00 18:39
Busy day in Portland. I am being trailed by a cameraman with a camera -- he's not here at this moment, thank heavens (he's very nice, his name is Patrick) -- but I feel rather like someone in a fly-on-the-wall documentary. Very unsure about what I'll read tomorrow. As it's being videoed for posterity I may put a lot more shorter bits in than I usually do, to give them a better selection of stuff to pick from...
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permalink #904 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 23 Oct 00 18:43
permalink #904 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 23 Oct 00 18:43
Should we scream loudly from the audience at each The End?
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permalink #905 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 23 Oct 00 18:44
permalink #905 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 23 Oct 00 18:44
I think you should flail about, and swoon, and have to be revived with smelling salts.
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permalink #906 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Mon 23 Oct 00 18:47
permalink #906 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Mon 23 Oct 00 18:47
Why don't you stun 'em all and only read other people's work?
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permalink #907 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:04
permalink #907 of 1905: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:04
Because I read my stuff better than I read other people's stuff. ... It was announced today that Terry Gilliam is directing GOOD OMENS... http://www.variety.com/body.asp?HbkId=5176563&subcat=-1&ArticleId=11177881 16
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permalink #908 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:05
permalink #908 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:05
I so can't wait. A better combination I cannot think of. ...of course, I wouldn't know a director if one bit me on the ass, so I may not be the best judge of things. But I do love Gilliam.
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permalink #909 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:08
permalink #909 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:08
Vicky e-mails: neil - ahh, i see, I suppose i can't really back up my thoughts, it is just a deep down belief that stories, poems, songs etc are like creatures, wild and beautiful. It is as if they should be free to roam if you like, little doggies roaming the world, finding many people to love and travel with...possibly not practical, but, as i said, it is a gut feeling, and definately comes from my reader mind and not the writer mind, or the hungry, by the way i need money and stuff to live mind either :) sorry, i'm not sure which sandman issue i got this feeling from, however i do have the suspicion that this is the root of the idea... possibly a story based on a boat...a young boy on a boat travelling...might have been a girl in disguise...it's been too long :) oh, btw, when the cbdlf readings are finished, is there a chance you may do more readings in the future? one day i will make it :)...tell you what, i'll ride over on my horse, read you a few stories, and you can give me food, board, thanks and a reading...yup, definately a fair deal that! lol, yes vicky...:) thx, vicky
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permalink #910 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:10
permalink #910 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:10
Cindy (whose e-mail name is elaine_of_shallot) e-mails: Neil, Actually, this is sort of a question for anyone with advice, but you're getting stuck with it because I really do blame you for getting me to write again. :) Ok. I finally, after much angst and spell checking, have a finished book sitting on the disk in front of me. The books I read all seem to agree that the only way one can get published is through an agent. Do you agree? What things should I be doing now, beside sending query letters out? Does anyone know of any good websites with writing related information. (I'm working on a home page that's a sort of writer's diary, and would like to put them up there, as well use them for my own greedy purposes.) Any advice that any of you lovely people (I've been really enjoying reading this topic!) would like to give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. And Neil, I hope that you had a wonderful time at the readings. The feedback I've heard has been really positive. Cindy
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permalink #911 of 1905: cranky (gorey) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:36
permalink #911 of 1905: cranky (gorey) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:36
Vicky - It sounds like the Sandman story you're thinking of is from _World's End_, in which refugees from a reality storm come together at an Inn to wait out the storm. While they wait, they tell stories, and one of them is about a girl in disguise as a boy on a ship. Also: Woohoo! Gilliam for Good Omens! Now if we can only get Burton for Sandman.
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permalink #912 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:49
permalink #912 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:49
Neil- a number of years ago, Wizard magazine ran a "Casting Call" (a regular feature of theirs) in which they attempted to cast The Sandman. Did you see this? If you remember any of them, did you have any thoughts on their castings? The ones I remember- Johnny Depp as Morpheus. K.D. Lang as Desire. Tori as Del. The exorcist woman from Poltergeist for Despair. I think they chose Alec Guiness as Destiny. I don't remember Death or Destruction, though I recall that Destruction was a wrestler. I remember that they picked Christian Slater and Gilbert Godfrey as Matthew and Mervyn Pumpkinhead, but I don't remember which was which. The only other person I remember that they cast at all was Lucifer, and I don't know who they cast in that role. Actually, random anecdote- my first exposure to Sandman was in an issue of Wizard (my younger brother had, and may still have, a subscription), in which the letters section was full of speculation as to how Dream was going to fall. It was just as Kindly Ones was starting up. A lot of people thought Lucifer was going to follow up on his threat from the end of A Hope In Hell. It was years later that I finally read Sandman. Now if only I could find Season of Mists in the original paperback cover...
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permalink #913 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:52
permalink #913 of 1905: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 23 Oct 00 19:52
Now that should be an interesting movie. Gilliam is so distinctive a director, this will be a three-way collaboration--you, Pratchett, Gilliam. And that sounds fine to me.
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permalink #914 of 1905: -N. (streak) Mon 23 Oct 00 20:53
permalink #914 of 1905: -N. (streak) Mon 23 Oct 00 20:53
Gilliam's style is not suited for many things. It is, to my mind at least, ideally suited for Good Omens. This is one of those absolute dream director-movie combinations that film geeks talk about when we get together, but never actually happen in real life. I am going to take a moment to piss off my best friend by saying that I think Burton would be quite wrong for Sandman. Unless the storyline were... ooh, whichever one had Dream and Delirium looking for Destruction, and Burton could get all his twitchiness out of his system with Delirium. Haven't a clue who _would_ be good, though. Apart from auteurs like Gilliam and Burton I have a hard time telling directors' styles apart, and I don't honestly think it matters as much as it's given credit for. BTW, in case it hasn't been posted here, one of the early screenplay drafts for Sandman, and the only good one I know about, has been made public and can be seen at: http://wordplayer.com/archives/SANDMAN.cover.html Anyway, enough movie geekery. I'll see you tomorrow evening, Neil. :-)
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permalink #915 of 1905: Sarah A. Rudek (whispered) Mon 23 Oct 00 23:34
permalink #915 of 1905: Sarah A. Rudek (whispered) Mon 23 Oct 00 23:34
*twinkles at Shira and her first kiss*..and I remember when you were sworn enemies of said boy. Things couldn't get much more perfect, there. :p
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permalink #916 of 1905: Sarah A. Rudek (whispered) Mon 23 Oct 00 23:42
permalink #916 of 1905: Sarah A. Rudek (whispered) Mon 23 Oct 00 23:42
And Neil...you said something about reposting questions that haven't been answered...I posted these few awhile back, and theu were missed...and the curiosity is still there...so Ill copy and paste. Anyways, just a couple of Sandman-ish questions, in case you were missing them. In Death: The High Cost of Living, is the 'gloved woman' meant to bring such strong echoes of Wanda, or is that a completely separate story? Also, in the end, did you have a specific disease/condition in mind with Didi? Okay, I think I managed to ask both of those without any spoilers. Thank you...
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permalink #917 of 1905: Sarah A. Rudek (whispered) Tue 24 Oct 00 00:25
permalink #917 of 1905: Sarah A. Rudek (whispered) Tue 24 Oct 00 00:25
Streak...I agree with you on Burton. Burton is great and Sandman is great. But shrimp and chocalate are good, too. Just not together. Personally, I'd like to see the person who directed American Beauty try it...I wish I had seen more of the person in question's dircetion, though. I liked how s/he weaved so many threads of the unreal with the real, the outlandish with the mundane in a way that you didn't question.
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permalink #918 of 1905: Roxanne Cataudella (rocky-nyc) Tue 24 Oct 00 03:23
permalink #918 of 1905: Roxanne Cataudella (rocky-nyc) Tue 24 Oct 00 03:23
I must chime in on the idea of Tim Burton directing Sandman with a resounding..noooooooooooooooo! I've never forgiven him for ruining Batman, which is not to say he isn't a good director, just don't hand him any characters he hasn't created himself. The chocolate and shrimp analogy was right on the money. Hmm..reading the link on GOOD OMENS and here we go again..what the hell do they mean when they say Neil and Terry Pratchett have huge "cult" followings? That's right up there with that other boilerplate description in every other interview which mentions "..legions of awestruck fanboys and scantily clad Goth girls." I suppose the rest of us are so much chopped liver. ;) Sam Mendes directed AMERICAN BEAUTY, he's great choice! And perhaps Bryan Singer who directed X-MEN and THE USUAL SUSPECTS is someone else who could probably handle the multi-layered complexity of SANDMAN. Frankly, my dream director would have been the late, great Stanley Kubrick. Sure it would have taken two decades to produce, but what a movie that might have been. And speaking of what might have been, now that libraries stock video tapes and DVDs, is it possible that Lucien might have a copy of the SANDMAN movie by Kubrick? Just a thought. *grin*
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permalink #919 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Tue 24 Oct 00 05:00
permalink #919 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Tue 24 Oct 00 05:00
Although I wouldn't have said this a year ago, my first choice for director would be Ang Lee. His early movies have such a strong sense of humanity...and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (or vice versa?) looks sumptuously magical. Also, Neil has spoken about how many moments in Sandman are about people who *think* they're communicating, but really are at odds-- or at least not listening. Movies like Sense and Sensibility and Ice Storm capture that communication problem perfectly, though in different ways. My second choice would be to do a megabudgeted Sandman tv series, with a rotating roster of indie and mainstream directors, analogous to the changing artists on the book, brought in to do a single story, or a whole story arc if the stylistic differences between episodes would be too jarring. Cover the first seven episodes in one two hour movie, then get things rocking with Doll's House.
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permalink #920 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Tue 24 Oct 00 11:57
permalink #920 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Tue 24 Oct 00 11:57
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permalink #921 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Tue 24 Oct 00 11:58
permalink #921 of 1905: The music's played by the (madman) Tue 24 Oct 00 11:58
Above hidden, containing a response to <whispered>'s post above, and some spoilers for _Death: The High Cost of Living_.
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permalink #922 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 24 Oct 00 17:31
permalink #922 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 24 Oct 00 17:31
Thanks for hiding the spoilers, madman! Mimi e-mails: Hi Neil, hi everybody. ^_^ Lessee. There were a number of people who mentioned Nicholas was... a while back. I've heard Neil read it twice, and I want to note that the audience responded quite differently to it each time. The first time, there was a chilled silence before the audience started clapping. Which makes sense -- Nicholas was... always scares me a bit. I love it, but it scares me too. It makes an upside-down cake of something that's very established in your mind... a bit like Snow, Glass and Apples does, actually. That and because sympathy pain kicks in... The second time, in NY for the tour just about a week ago, the audience laughed almost the whole way through. It wasn't even nervous laughter (or I didn't think it was), which does happen when people are scared/uncomfortable and use laughter to relieve the tension. The audience seemed to genuinely think it was funny. Goes to show vocal inflection can really change how a piece is received... Neil did seem to have given the poem a more humourous slant with that reading. I guess having Shoggoth's Old Peculiar right before also prepped people to hear it that way. ^_^ What do people think? Another train of thought: just why are funny things funny? If you come right down to it, funny things are all strange. The word 'funny' can mean 'strange' too, right? But what makes some strange things funny and other strange things frightening? The Blueberry Girl... Neil, I think just about everything that I can possibly want to say has been said, but I do want to stress that people who respect you will respect your decisions and your right to do with the poem as you will. I think it's probably safe to say that most sensible, decent people will do just that. Everybody else can go hang themselves. (Yes, not the nicest nor the most intelligent remark about this whole affair, but it sure feels good saying it. Rarr.) Did I miss anything? Oh! Congratulations on the Geffen, Neil! Random interjection: Speaking of Neil's work in other countries/languages, I once saw a poster advertising the Japanese edition of Dream Hunters (? I think it was the Japanese edition anyway... the ad was in japanese) in a japanese bookstore, a collaboration between 'Amano Yoshitaka' and 'Niiru Gaiman'... the japanese spelling and sound of Neil's name had me in stiches just cos it sounds so familiar and so strange ('Gaiman' is spelt 'Ga-i-ma-n' in japanese characters but sounds like 'Guy-ee-maan'...). And they gave him the honorific suffix 'shi' which denotes respect and is used for writers and scholars and other respectable types. So it read something like: 'Niiru Gaiman-shi had written many popular works before this collarboration etc etc.' ^_- I assure everybody that was funnier in the original. And I do like the sound of 'Niiru.' ^_- -- Mimi from Hong Kong, jetlagged P.s. Neil: would a 11x14 inch print (photograph) be too big to send you (via Dreamhaven)? I know a lot of people send you art/music/stuff, and I don't want to clutter up your house, and I've given you 2 smaller prints before already... Embaressing. ^_^; Or I can just scan it and let you have a look.
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permalink #923 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 24 Oct 00 17:31
permalink #923 of 1905: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 24 Oct 00 17:31
E-mail from Shira: Len--ooooooh, what marvelously provocative ideas....from your mouth to HBO's ear! Streak--must respectfully disagree with you on the importance of the director. In the theatre, they're crucial. In film, the balance of power is a little different, but it's still a terrifically important job. The have more of an opportunity to make a hash of it than anyone, except the editor. Neil--of course you're not being too sensitive on the recording issue. I was honored to have heard it--Natashya is a very lucky young lady. I think a large part of the reason I hoped that you might consider publishing it is that there isn't enough published Neil Gaiman poetry in the world to suit me :-). Seems like I remember you mentioning in an interview a while back that you might do a volume of poetry....that would be ducky! Whatever you felt comfortable putting in, I would love to read. Merde, tonight. Shira --Congratulations! Sarah--Congratulations!
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permalink #924 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Tue 24 Oct 00 18:34
permalink #924 of 1905: Len (theboojum) Tue 24 Oct 00 18:34
Mimi-- You're the woman who came from Hong Kong for the reading? I am filled with awe :) Your question about what makes things funny is a good one. Here's my theory (which I know is inadequate, but it's a start): Comedy comes from the brain trying to reconcile two opposite ideas-- or two behaviors that are incompatible-- at the same time. That's irony, which is the spring that sets comedy bouncing. When Michael Palin, as a pet shop owner, tries to sell a dead parrot, which he insists is alive, to John Cleese-- that's comedy. So's a cheese shop that doesn't have any cheese. People ought to act a certain way-- ethically, bravely, etc. When art depicts people NOT acting that way, the result can be comedy-- in this case, satire. For that matter, life ought to go a certain way; when it doesn't, that can result in comedy too-- that's what Seinfeld, for example, is all about. Whether something is genuinely funny, or really disturbing depends on the context, and the ending, I guess. Happy endings lead to comedy, sad ones lead to tragedy. I get stuck on black comedy and tragicomedy. I think it has to do with reconciling the fact that we all have to die with the expectation/desire that we want to live forever... but I don't have anything coherent. None of this explains why Saturday Night Live has consistently failed to be funny for my adult life. Anyway, that's my theory. (about the brontosaurus?)
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permalink #925 of 1905: Roxanne Cataudella (rocky-nyc) Tue 24 Oct 00 19:00
permalink #925 of 1905: Roxanne Cataudella (rocky-nyc) Tue 24 Oct 00 19:00
Len -- Saturday Night Live fails to hit the mark because it feels as if they leave nothing to chance and are writing comedy using a focus group. Other comedy ensembles such as Kids in the Hall and Mad TV seem more willing to take a daring leap of faith and trust that their audience will get the joke. SNL should have been retired right after Joe Pescipo and Eddie Murphy left the scene because everything else, with the exception of Christopher Walken occasionally hosting, has been really crappy.
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