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permalink #51 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 2 Aug 00 08:11
permalink #51 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 2 Aug 00 08:11
Exactly! A chance to sit down with an author while he's alive. Hunter, of course, generally refuses to expound on anything bordering on interpretation of his lyrics, so I think we're going to have to live with the ambiguity of the songs--and that is a very conscious choice on his part, and a great part of his art. Some day I'd like the chance to interview Hunter. I'm grateful that you, and Blair, have done good interviews with him.
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permalink #52 of 136: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Wed 2 Aug 00 09:05
permalink #52 of 136: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Wed 2 Aug 00 09:05
I feel extremely fortunate. And yes, indeed, I once began a question to Hunter with "Stipulating that if there were a better way to say this you would have said it that way..." to which he said "That's supposed to be MY line!"
Heh!
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permalink #54 of 136: Phantom Engineer (jera) Wed 2 Aug 00 12:32
permalink #54 of 136: Phantom Engineer (jera) Wed 2 Aug 00 12:32
I'm jumping in here rather late, having been on vacation (and very far away, indeed, from a computer) since before this discussion began. And even now, I'm stuggling with a horrifically slow connection, & haven't been able to read much of the discussion that has so far taken place. But I thought I should respond to Mary's question somewhere up near the beginning ... I used to be a poet. Or, perhaps I should say that I am a poet who has suffered a decade-long writer's block in poetry. During the early 90s, I worked sporadically on a series of pieces that explored, in one way or another, on a set of intersections that interest me greatly, to this day: that between reading & writing, that between thought & sensation, &, most appropriately here, that between memory & the present. I tried working on several things that didn't quite "take" -- one on Thelonious Monk, one on the poet Michael Palmer -- when it occurred to me to try to deal with my often sporadic memory of the music that mattered the most to me, and to try to come to terms with my love for the experience of that music. So the Dead seemed to me to be a natural subject for investigating the nature of memory and the ways in which memory constructs "meaning" in a very personal and seemingly non-transferable way. My piece was written over the course of about 5 years, as specific images and impressions came to me. I wanted to give the piece a long period of gestation, since I was trying to work through the slippages and transformations that time brings about. And then Jerry died. There is an online version of the piece, which includes some graphics (and a final jerry-becomes-the-cosmos sequence of graphics) at my website: http://mailer.fsu.edu/~gburnett.
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permalink #55 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 2 Aug 00 19:40
permalink #55 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 2 Aug 00 19:40
Phantom Engineer--one who engineers phantoms? For those of you unfamiliar with WELL id's, and who didn't read the early posts too closely, <jera> is Gary Burnett, who contributed "The Grateful Dead: A Meditation On Music, Meaning, and Memory" to the book. It's a piece of writing that really gets at something about the thought process of memory, if it is a thought process. My own memory seems to work more like a kaleidoscope than any straightforward lens, and Gary captured that sensation.
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permalink #56 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 2 Aug 00 21:31
permalink #56 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 2 Aug 00 21:31
I just remembered something else I had originally wanted in this book: all of the covers of Golden Road. Someone should just go ahead and publish an expensive facsimile edition of the entire run of that magazine!
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permalink #57 of 136: Steve Silberman (digaman) Thu 3 Aug 00 09:05
permalink #57 of 136: Steve Silberman (digaman) Thu 3 Aug 00 09:05
A worthwhile project! In the meantime, however, there is Blair's own selected version of the contents, "Goin' Down the Road: A Grateful Dead Travelling Companion." http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0517583372 That book contains an essay I refer to in "The Only Song of God," about Neal Cassady: "Who Was Cowboy Neal? The Life and Myth of Neal Cassady."
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permalink #58 of 136: Phantom Engineer (jera) Thu 3 Aug 00 09:10
permalink #58 of 136: Phantom Engineer (jera) Thu 3 Aug 00 09:10
"Phantom Engineer" was the original title of Bob Dylan's song "It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry." A reprint of Golden Road would be wonderful!
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permalink #59 of 136: Steve Silberman (digaman) Thu 3 Aug 00 09:23
permalink #59 of 136: Steve Silberman (digaman) Thu 3 Aug 00 09:23
I do believe that he GD Reader will be studied in 200 or even 500 years. Think of it this way: There was a village in Central America where hundreds of thousands of people would make pilgrimages each year to participate in a sacred ritual which was celebrated with song and dance, and with sacramental ingestion of psychoactive plants. It was one of the few institutions in the culture where old and young people would participate in the Old Ways side by side, and many of the people who experienced the rituals in that village were affected deeply by the process. In an age of the culture where the old gods had fallen to the status of objects of ridicule, there was a healthy -- if mostly unspoken -- respect for the mysteries among the pilgrims who attended these rituals. The subtle influence of these rites spread throughout the culture at large. Can you imagine how many anthropologists, archaeologists, musicologists and students of world religion would be crawling over the ruins of such a place, if it had really existed? X < -- YOU ARE HERE
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permalink #60 of 136: from a reader on the web (tnf) Thu 3 Aug 00 09:55
permalink #60 of 136: from a reader on the web (tnf) Thu 3 Aug 00 09:55
Bill Kramer writes: To: inkwell-hosts@well.com Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 05:36:20 -0700 From: "Bill Kramer" <b.kramer@lycos.com> Subject: David Dodd's Comments on the Golden Road I totally agree with D. Dodd's comments on the Golden Road. It ought to be pulled into one (or likely several)volumes. There are likely a whole bunch of Deadheads who "got on the bus" just after Blair and Regan (we often forget her sacrifices and contributions) quit publishing. A CD-Rom would also fill the bill BTW, we need to get Blair to do more writing beyond his books! C'mon Blair, get to work on that there website (or better yet, put out a big, thick 'ole Golden Road every couple of years)! Looking forward to getting my hands on the "Grateful Dead Reader". Mr Dodd, is there any place we could access the table of contents? Thanks.
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permalink #61 of 136: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Thu 3 Aug 00 10:32
permalink #61 of 136: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Thu 3 Aug 00 10:32
Yeah, BLAIR! Major coffee-table book! Also, I STILL want posters of the covers...
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permalink #62 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 3 Aug 00 11:19
permalink #62 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 3 Aug 00 11:19
Table of Contents Editors' Prefaces: DAVID DODD & DIANA SPAULDING Introduction: Gathering the Sparks: STEVE SILBERMAN I. "GET PREPARED, THERE'S GONNA BE A PARTY TONIGHT!": CARVING OUT A TERRITORY, 1967-1975 Excerpt from The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test: TOM WOLFE Morgan's Acid Test: WILLIAM J. CRADDOCK Dead Like Live Thunder: RALPH J. GLEASON Jerry Garcia, the Guru: RALPH J. GLEASON The Day They Busted the Grateful Dead: RICHARD BRAUTIGAN Primal Dead at the Fillmore East: February 1970: STEVE SILBERMAN Purple Lights: Grateful Dead Dance Marathon at the Manhattan Center: GEORGE W. S. TROW Grateful Dead I Have Known: ED McCLANAHAN Grateful Dead:WILLY LEGATE Full Circle with the Dead: RALPH J. GLEASON Now That We've Got a Moment To Stand...: ROBERT HUNTER Some Pretty Basic Tenets of Hypnocracy: ROBERT HUNTER State of the Changes: How the Dragon Urobouros (Giga Exponentia) Makes Us Go Round and Round: ALAN TRIST Dead Heads Pay Their Dues: ROBERT CHRISTGAU He Was A Friend of Mine: ROBERT PETERSEN Robert Hunter, Dark Star: ROBERT HUNTER II. "IF YOU GET CONFUSED, LISTEN TO THE MUSIC PLAY": BACK FROM THE HIATUS, INTO THE EIGHTIES, 1976-1986 St. Stephen Revisited and Beyond: RICHARD MELTZER Still Grateful After All These Years: In Which the Grateful Dead, Pinup Uglies of the Haight-Ashbury, Become the House Band of the Age of Certain Doom: CHARLIE HAAS Dead Reckoning and Hamburger Metaphysics: LEE ABBOTT Dead Heads: A Strange Tale of Love, Devotion and Surrender: BLAIR JACKSON Meditations on the Grateful Dead: DENNIS McNALLY The Last Word: An Aged Deadhead: MILTON MAYER Robert Hunter: Songs of Innocence, Songs of Experience: MARY EISENHART Jerry Garcia and the Call of the Weird: ALICE KAHN III. "WE WILL SURVIVE": A TOP TEN HIT, AND ALL THAT FOLLOWS, 1987-1994 The Swirl According to Carp: A Meditation on the Grateful Dead: JACK BRITTON Transformative Mysteries: A Primer on the Grateful Dead for Aficionados, Initiates and the Wholly Uninformed: STEVE SILBERMAN A Tale of Two Tribes: A Gay Man's Adventure in the World of Deadheads: EDWARD GUTHMANN Reporting Live From Deadland: DAVID GANS Good Use: AL ALVAREZ This Darkness Got to Give: Some Thoughts on Problems in the Dead Scene: BLAIR JACKSON You Don't Seem to Hear Me When I Call: PADDY LADD Introduction to We Want Phil! An Interview, and In Phil We Trust: A Conversation: BLAIR JACKSON Excerpt from The Millennium Shows: PHILIP E. BARUTH IV. "SEE HERE HOW EVERYTHING LEAD UP TO THIS DAY": JERRY GARCIA'S DEATH AND THE END OF THE GRATEFUL DEAD, 1995-1996 American Beauty: The Grateful Dead's Burly, Beatific Alchemist: HAL ESPEN Obituary: Jerry Garcia 1942-1995: MARY EISENHART Elegy for Jerry: ROBERT HUNTER American Beauty: BLAIR JACKSON The Grateful Dead: A Meditation on Music, Meaning, and Memory: GARY BURNETT The Only Song of God: STEVE SILBERMAN
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permalink #63 of 136: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 3 Aug 00 14:40
permalink #63 of 136: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 3 Aug 00 14:40
Paddy has arrived and will be along shortly to post if he can find his way here...
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permalink #64 of 136: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Thu 3 Aug 00 15:15
permalink #64 of 136: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Thu 3 Aug 00 15:15
Great! Hi, Paddy! Long time no see!
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permalink #66 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 3 Aug 00 21:21
permalink #66 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 3 Aug 00 21:21
Hmmmm. Paddy? Paddy? Are you there? That was about 7 hours ago, so maybe he's been swallowed by the WELL. (Many lines spring to mind here: golden bells; never tell, etc.) Thanks, David, for posting the link to the San Jose Mercury review. It was very nice--I think Ms. Wolfson got the point! And Steve, thanks for the wonderful "You are here" post. May I quote you on the book's web page?
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permalink #67 of 136: Steven Solomon (ssol) Fri 4 Aug 00 08:10
permalink #67 of 136: Steven Solomon (ssol) Fri 4 Aug 00 08:10
Jill Wolfson closed that review with <The questions the Dead were wrestling with -- How do we feel most alive? How do we catch fire? Why is the magic there one night and gone the next? -- are eternal to the pursuit of art.> I think she nailed that one.
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permalink #68 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 4 Aug 00 08:14
permalink #68 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 4 Aug 00 08:14
Yes, I was extremely pleased to see that, and Diana said "She got it!" I thought I was prepared to be cavalier about reviews, but I find myself caring.
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permalink #69 of 136: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Fri 4 Aug 00 09:12
permalink #69 of 136: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Fri 4 Aug 00 09:12
So where has it been reviewed so far, and for what audience? Amazon has had a quite positive review from Kirkus Review up for months, which I guess means that some subset of academics thinks it's good...
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permalink #70 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 4 Aug 00 10:57
permalink #70 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 4 Aug 00 10:57
It's been reviewed positively in Kirkus (which is aimed primarily at public librarians); lukewarmly in Booklist; and semi-negatively in Library Journal. Publisher's Weekly gave it a little blurb only--no review. And that's it so far!
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permalink #71 of 136: Paddy Ladd via David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 4 Aug 00 10:57
permalink #71 of 136: Paddy Ladd via David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 4 Aug 00 10:57
Hi there. This is Paddy Ladd loggin on. The monicker by the way reflects the name of the very first Deaf teacher that we know of, who lived in and through the times of Revolutionary France, and definitely got significantly tangled up in all that red white and blue. As for what you might want to know about me.... I guess it's up to David and Diane to say why they selected an example of my work for the honour of such exalted company. In lieu of that, I should give some basics : First saw the Dead in 1972, Newcastle - Weir has gone on record about the coldness of the audience, and I did myself feel somewhat dislocated, being a Deaf person stuck so far back in the hall [everyone sat in their seats]. But I had also wanted the 1968/9 version of the GD and was not aware of the country band that had emerged. So it took many hours before they hit <that> space. At any rate, next time was London 1981, March, 4th night, and it took at the max 15 seconds of Half Step before I realised 'sheeeit..what have I been missing all these years'. An astonishing surge of awakening - the quality of the music, the lights, (the song choice of course in retrospect)... that was it for me after that, and of course the next gig was on live TV, so... The 1981 shows sparked off mass Deadhead activity in the UK - we were busy discovering each other, putting on the Dead movie at the late night cinema over and over again, starting our own magazine, Spiral Light, and having annual weekend fests [the latest was last week}. Later on came the cover bands too. Glory days :-) (A similar pattern occurred in Bobcatdom after El Zim's 1978 UK tour) The next turning point was realising the band wouldn't return any time soon, and that we <had> to save money and time to go out <there> to see them. In this respect, both Blair's first book and the articles in early Spiral Lights helped - it was a huge psychological leap for us insular islanders. And of course, the terrible UK economy made it tough for many too, not least those who had kids. Thus, once we got there, we were honour-bound to report back to those at home, and thus our reporting/writing styles developed around that philosophy. For every person who didn't want to know ('Don't rub it in'), there were 50 who lived it vicariously through those of us who went. Looking back I'd say that the period 1985-95 saw most of my spending power and time off used in this way, and several others spent comparably. There's lots to tell about all of that, not least the cross-atlantic marriages that occurred and so on, but I guess the point of this rap is to indicate where my writing came from. I had published in Dylan magazines before this, but the Dead material really gave birth to an important part of me, though even now I still think of it all as primarily 'simple notes from ye travels'. It was only other people's feedback that helped me see it as something more. Since it was 1985 by now, and Jerry's health and the band's mortality was on the agenda, this then became the mission statement of the writing - an analysis of the health of the Deadbeast, that dragon stumbling around running smack into trees or taking occasional heavenly flight. The need to inform people of what one might term 'deeper levels' than was found in most writing at the time, was very much aimed for those who would not see a show from one decade's end to the next, but were consumed with anxiety lest the band not make it to that mirage-like show in that next decade (which of course turned out to be 1990 - but without Brent). Fortunately there were many wonderful tales to tell during that time, and indeed one day someone will write The Book that focuses on bringing out the latter day cultural qualities, if you like, rather than the valuable but now overstressed 'early to mid years when they were better than any time since, so there, all ye neophytes'. I didn't plan to write the way I did, but it became clear that as a Deaf person I was as much hearing with my eyes as anything else, and so got sucked into recording visual clues and cues which became emblematic of that particular tour. This of course left me open to over-interpreting, but I didn't mind that risk, because I had the perfect 'alibi' - if someone disagreed because of what they heard on a tape, well that was all extra valuable information for me that I couldn't get through my own fucked-up ears. To be frank, who could ever forget the state of Jerry, fat and red in 1985, singing Comes A Time like he was living it, and not wonder how much longer there was left, and how much song choices had to do with reflecting some of what was going down. That was kind of my starting point. It would be hard to imagine writing in the same way in the 1960s and early 70s - the individual bandmembers' behaviour and demeanour somehow didnt <mean> as much in its implications for the music. This phenomenon was also part of the wider cultural development in those later years, where song lines would be cheered like they were part of sermons in Black churches {'Yeah, Jerry, tell it like it is !' 'Praise the Lord and be Kind' etc etc). And of course all that intensified after 1986 too. A deeply fascinating sbject for those like me who come from cultural studies/anthropology backgrounds, not least the literary interface between those zones. As for what aspects of our writing were particularly British, I did try t think about that and can go into that another time. But before I sign off I want to clarify one thing. When I say 'deeper levels' of writing, I mean no harm nor put fault. I think the USA magazines at that time needed to keep it light and positive, and knew that they needed to do this, partly because of beliefs that focusing on positive energy would help the band survive the times. But partly also it may have been an antidote to the incredibly savage way that many Deadheads seem to write and talk. Witness all the various recmusic GD, philzone show reviews etc etc. I have always found that so puzzling, and I guess that the possible truth is that those who just absorbed and knew the magic didnt tend to log onto computer boards, especially women, and those who did contained a high percentage of frustrated testosterone sprayers. {Or maybe it's a cultural thing in the USA, though I would say we have our own quota of mean/passionate spirits here too). More on the difference between how men and women experienced the shows another time, eh ? So although I very much valued Blair's writing, to give one example (I was an avid fan of the Golden Road, and still re-read it all the time), I also drew comfort from David Gans' own courage in speaking out against some of the negativity behind the scenes. Somewhere in that dialectic, throw in Steve Silbermann's own great perspective, spiritualism that gets its hands good and grubby, and I think you have the 3 poles I would steer by, even whilst rowing my own canoe. Hey that's quite enough to start with ! Sorry it went on so long, folks! ---------------------- DR.P. Ladd, Centre for Deaf Studies 8 Woodland Road Bristol BS8 1TN fax : 0117 954 6921 email : Pad.Ladd@bristol.ac.uk
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permalink #72 of 136: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Fri 4 Aug 00 13:06
permalink #72 of 136: Mary Eisenhart (marye) Fri 4 Aug 00 13:06
Great stuff!
Diga, I find your thoughts on the queerdeadhead scene interesting as I've been around both scenes since 1967. For most of the time I felt like a part of a subculture of a subcluture. I look forward to rereading the Gleason stuff since I credit him for encouraging and supporting the Music that was happening here at the time while catching a lot of flack for doing so.
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permalink #74 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Sat 5 Aug 00 21:14
permalink #74 of 136: David Dodd (ddodd) Sat 5 Aug 00 21:14
Paddy, thanks for the eloquent post. Sorry for the bad line spacing--that's what happens when I cut and paste out of my email... As to why we selected your piece, and the one we did, I think it's because it provides such a different perspective, in the ways you indicate, on the band and on the audience. And your listening and observing are so keen, it's always a pleasure to be privy to your thoughts, which is how your writing makes me feel.
Wonderful stuff, Paddy.
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