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Subject: Gay Muslims yield most utility
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:33:10 -0400
From: Michael Chukan <>
Organization: Self

Assalamu alaykum to all Muslims, a very warm welcome to guests.

I believe gay Muslims can yield the most utility in society.  Gay
Muslims can take the most risks:
1.  Go to do dawah abroad-since most will not have a spouse or children
to be responsible for.
2.  Do dawah is unsafe areas.
3.  Stay up later in the nights and sacrifice more of themselves in
managing masjids and teaching kid's Sunday schools.
4.  Fight in places like Bosnia and coordinate international activities
like BIF(Benevolence International Foundation)

I just wish most straight Muslims would HATE less and take the time to
listen to the circumstances of being gay and then work together towards
a path most pleasing to Allah.  Inshallah my wish will come true some

If you are a gay Muslim(especially young people) and are having any
difficulties with this trait, please get in touch with me.  I 100%
believe we(gay Muslims) can abide by the laws of Allah and the examples
of the prophets, yet have this orientation.  I am here for you as a
Muslim brother, NEVER take the easy way out by leaving Islam.  The
prophets/messangers sacrificed too much of themselves for us(straight
and gay Muslims) not to learn the ABSOLUTE PERFECTION of Islam.

Most sincerely,
Michael Chukan

Subject: comment on you page
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:40:27 -0700

I have just come across this site and to say the least I am utterly
shocked. I thought that it was basic knowledge to all muslims worldwide
that homosexuality is a grave sin. If you read the Quran you will also
see that it is condemed. I can understand that you are trying to help
those muslims who claim to be 'gay' but I believe you are giving them
the wrong kind of help. It appears although you agree that it is wrong
you are also condoning such behaviour just because it exists. It is up
to us to help our brothers and sisters to get rid of this psychological
problem! And that is what it exactly is, a PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDER.
Being homosexual is not an innate thing but something which is chosen by
the individual. I am disgusted at the thought of gay masjid etc.
If you really believe in helping those with this unfortunate
psychological disoder then i believe you need to give them advice in
line with the Quran and Sunnah and not just some advice in line with the
present corrupt society.
Also concerning'transexuals' who claim thay have been born into the
wrong body, how con you claim such a staement. Have you forgotten who
created you? It was Allah [swt]. To claim such a thing is to say that
Allah made a mistake when creating you. Now we know Allah is Infinite,
Absolute and not likely at all to make mistakes. If you believe and
accept such horrific concepts as they are right and'okay' then you need
to really question whether you can call yourself a muslim.
You said something about what would the Prohet [pbuh] have done to such
people.Let me tell you I do not think he would be so acceptful of such
behaviour in our religion as you are.
Before I finish I'd like to say that ther is a difference in accepting
that homosexualty exists and condoning the behaviour when it is strictly
and clearly forbidden for us muslims and humans as a race.
Allah did create Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!!!

Subject: A few questions.
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:34:43 -0400
From: Guest <>

     I like to think of myself as someone who doesn't judge others, so I
won't judge you.  I believe that since I don't know what is going to happen
to me after yaum il ayyamma, I don't feel it my place to say what is going
to happen to you. I do feel however, that you are misguiding yourself by
thinking you know your true relationship with Allah.  On the Day of
judgement, no soul shall be wronged by Allah's determination of either his
belief or disbelief in Him or His manifest signs, prophets, messages, etc.
This fact leads many to believe that since they "feel" that they are doing
nothing that might be away from righteousness, they must be on the right
path.  Nothing could be further from the truth in my view.  One must
continually try to become a better Muslim even if he is the best one in the
world.  The confidence you speak with in your essays seems to emanate from
pride and contempt for Muslims that disapprove of your lifestyle rather than
from a more pious perspective, which is at the soul of the true Muslim.  I'm
not calling you a Kafir, because you believe in Allah. I am saying that I
believe that your relationship with Allah has yet to truly evolve in the
sense that it should.  Now, I am not talking down to you, and you must
believe that I sincerely wish for you as much happiness as I wish for other
belivers in Allah. But I encourage you to look furhter into Islam and into
your realtionship with Allah s.w.t. before planting your feet into ideals
which Islam says are abominable.  We are all human beings,  we all think
things and feel things, that is our nature.  We also don't know everything
about Allah and His will, not even close, this is why some of the greatest
thinkers in history have fallen flat on their faces.  Because the second we
are 100% sure that we are right, chances are that we are not. That, I
believe, is one of the true tests of one's islam, whether or not we think of
ourselves as interpreters of the Truth. Don't forget, "Truth stands clear
from error." Allah does not need us to interpret His Truth.  He tells us to
live by it.

  As far as those questions I was going to ask, they are in reference to the
essays section of the queer jihad site.

1. Why is Allah referred to with the pronoun "IT"?  Allah has no gender, yet
The Holy Qur'an refers to Allah as "Him" or "He".  Many people think of this
as being chauvinistic, (did I spell that right?) but linguistically it truly
isn't. Besides "It" brings about thoughts of inaction or futility, almost as
if we are back to idol worship (astaghfirullah).  I think it would be better
off to use the correct grammatical term.

2. Why do you use the thoughts of non Muslims to argue your case?  Rather
than giving us pause and making us think, it turns us off quickly and labels
you as being someone who is looking for help any where he can find it.  Look
for help in Allah brother, He is more of a counsel than you will ever need.
Besides, one of the foundations of Islam is that even though Judaism and
Christianity are regarded as true faiths in Islam, they are not given the
credibility to make laws with.  You cannot argue with a Muslim using the
bible since we believe mankind has changed it and made it just a story for
his own evil ends.

3. My last quetion.  Why do you say that if you are going to be punished by
Allah for doing what you think is right, than "so be it?" I don't feel you
truly comprehend the fact that we can't understand the true nature of Allah
s.w.t.. What you must believe is that if you are punished for a bad deed you
WILL know why it was wrong and NOT be left saying "but I didn't do
anything," and instead of thinking that you were wrongfully incriminated and
feeling defiant you will be dreadfully regretful and full of misery for your
past mistakes.  Believe me brother, if Allah s.w.t hands us down any
punishment the last thing any of us is going to say is "so be it."

     I know I've taken alot of your time, for that I apologize.  I do
however wish to say that even though I don't feel that your sexual
preference is right or natural I commend the fact that you put such a
sensitive topic into the light of human debate.  I only hope that you strive
not only to teach, but also to learn.  I'm sorry if I didn't write one of
those short, profane, brain scribbles that probably make us both laugh out
loud.  I thought the guy who called you "sick a--holes" and then thanked you
for your time, (not to mention the fact that he cordially invited feed
back!) was pretty insane.  As a matter of fact, Im LOL'ing all over the
place right now!  With that, I think I should stop talking and let you
answer my questions, if you please.  Thank you and assalaam-u-alaikum wa
rahmatullahi wa barakatu.


To answer some of your questions: using the pronoun "It" as in "He/She/It" when referring to Allah is in acknowledgement of the fact that we do not know whether Allah has a "gender"; quoting research done by non-Muslims is simply because Islam has nothing positive to say about homosexuality; and when I say "so be it" as to whether Allah will punish me for being homosexual or not, I only mean to say that I cannot possibly be anything else but what I am -- so what is the point in worrying about it? And if, as many gay and lesbian do, I feel the need to have a relationship with someone, and if I am to be punished for that -- for wanting to love and be loved -- again, I say, "so be it". If wanting to love someone is a crime, then we've all got a lot of soul searching to do. I suspect, however, it is not, that Allah's ways are not our ways, and that Allah judges the heart and the intention whereas man judges by his own thoughts and ideas.

Anyway, would you rather I expressed my sexuality with another gay man, or would you like me to be so frustrated and repressed that I abuse children or perhaps marry your sister? -- Sulayman X

Subject: jihad?
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:29:03 +0100
From: ct269 <>
Organization: City University

(d)queer sulayman

do you not what Jihad means
Jihad means "to fight to make the word of Allah the highest"

i know you are really not a muslim but rather a filthy low-life jew who
is trying to plague the minds of innocent people with your animalistic
however i will not talk to you about the punishment islam has prescribed
to the bent animals but rather when the muslims unite and are ready to
fight, i promise you one thing that you surely find out what islam (not
only says about gays) but rather what it does to them.

shabir kamali

Subject: a friend
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT)

Please do not post my name or e-mail address.  I am a 20-something
Muslim woman in college who was intimate with a Jewish man last year.
Throughout our turbulent relationship, I noticed that he was going
through a great deal of personal trouble that prevented me from
"going all the way" with him.  And my suspicions were confirmed.  Just
recently, he came out of the closet and told me that he was gay,
although he denied it several times when we were together.  At first,
I was sad and missed him physically, but I realized it was a greater
crime for him to deny his true feelings to himself.  And it would've
been terrible for me to have been lied to.  I do have a few gay,
lesbian, and bisexual acquaintances, but I'd never really thought
about homosexuality since it had never touched my life so deeply as it
has recently.  And I realize that no matter what he goes through and
what he does, I will always love and support him in any way that I
can.  And I don't think that any woman out there, Muslim or otherwise,
would want to be in a marriage with a man who would be as unhappy as
he was when he was in denial.  I would never deny my friendship to
anyone who came out about his or her sexuality.  This whole ordeal has
brought us closer toghther as friends, and I couldn't be happier.
It's true what they say, a woman's best friend is a gay man.  Jewish,
Muslim, gay, or straight, we feel blessed that we know each other. And
no one has the right to judge me because they haven't gone through
what I have.

Subject: Gaymuslims vs Queer Jihad
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:14:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Abd <>

Azizi Sulayman,

I need guidance in dealing with my orientation and sense of
spirituality and am hoping to find help on the web. I found your page
this evening and believe it is a sign from Allah I am on the right
path. I see two mailing lists, gaymuslims and queerjihad - what's the
difference between the two?

Second, although it is a miracle of Allah that we are able to
communicate comfortably through this wonderful medium, at some point
in time I am sure that a personal guide will be most helpful. I live
in Cairo. Do you know of individuals who could help me here?

I am not asking for names at this point - it is too early and I must
not rush the process for reconciliation and understanding to take place.

You are surely receiving many blessings from the One in us all for
your help.



If you want to communicate with other gay Muslims, trying looking on the Links page and check out some of the Lists. - Sulayman X

Subject: Reply to you're comments
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:41:35 -0400
From: Yousef <>

You wrote
:Just to correct one of your statements: the vast majority of Aids victims
are heterosexuals, especially in Africa and other parts of the world. Does
that mean God is punishing heterosexuals? ? Sulayman X

Well I was taught(non Muslim,secular, non prejuidiced school) that the
majority of AIDS victims are gay

Anyway yes AIDS is a punishment to people since AIDS victims are
gays,prostitutes,drug users or simply oversexed people


Oh Yousef! Aids victims come in all shapes and sizes, and most are heterosexual, and a vast many of them are innocent women infected by their "oversexed" husbands, or children who get it from their mothers or tainted blood supplies. But that's not the point: is cancer God's punishment of older people? Is leukemia God's punishment of children? Is any disease God's punishment of certain segments of the population? What sort of God do you worship anyway? - Sulayman X

Subject: Hi evryone
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:54:15 -0400
From: Energizer Bunny <>

My dear Sulayman X
    I truly understand what you are going through. I am also Homo but my
parent have accepted me as who I just hope all the muslim will accept me
as who we truly are.

New Lesbian In Islam.

Any homo muslima can reach me at these following addresses.
ICQ # 17051079

Subject: Special Message
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:48:49 -0400

Dear Brother or Sister:

I have just come across your site by accident. I am not gay myself, but
a supporter of the rights of gay men and women especially in  Islam.
This message is to offer my help to you, if I can. May you be blessed.

Subject: Your Article
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 01:40:20 +0100
From: Makhdoom Muhammad Irtaza <>
Organization: University of Sussex

Sulayman X,
 I am not going to take the trouble to say to you that you are wrong as
no matter what I say will convince you as you have already made up your
mind that Islam accepts homosexuality. I dont like what you are doing
because you are just disgracing Islam. I read the article,'What The
Quran Says About Homosexuality,' on your site. The views expressed there
are ones that I would expect from a very biased and bigoted Jew or
Christian but not from someone who claims to be a Muslim.

 On many occasions it is said that Muhammad(PBUH) was greatly influenced
by the Jewish or Christian traders. Further you say that Muhammad(PBUH)
when TELLING the story of Lut in the Quran..... Are you trying to
insinuate that the Quran is a collection of stories and commands by
Muhammad(PBUH) and not Allah's words?

 May Allah's curse fall on you. I have no prayer for you. You are worst
than people like Rushdie. You are trying to erode Islam from the inside.
I would not be surprised if you turn out not to be a Muslim but just
pretending to be one.

 Incidently I would kill all you 60 million 'MUSLIMS' who are gay.

 With no regards, Nobody.

Subject: Hurray for You!
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:11:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Justin Mann <>

As silly as all religions are, Islam is one of the silliest. It seems
that this religion is simply an
amalgamation of Judaism, Christianity, and various Arabian pagan
religions. I have read that one explanation of the Sodom and Gommorrah
story is that the cities were destroyed not because of the sexual
acts, but because they had lost faith in God. But, if someone believes
that YHWH or Allah or Jehovah or whatever you want to call him, could
destroy two cities with stones from Heaven, I have a bridge for sale
in Brooklyn.

It is time for humanity to wake and smell the coffee. The being that
is called "God" by Jews and Christians was simply the ancient Arab
house god of Abraham of Ur. It was adopted by Mohammed because it was
more profitable to be monotheistic when trading with Jews and
Christians. "Allah" was originally an Arab Goddess! So, you can tell
other fundamentalist (not a proper term) Muslims that in fact God had
a sex change.

Have a nice day,
A Concerned Atheist

P.S. If you want to be gay, have fun! And go ahead drink beer, gamble,
and only pray twice a day, you rebel!

Subject: my sincere thank you
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:00:38 PDT
From: "Eduardo Maggitt" <>

At one time I would have said in beginning this letter:

Asalaamu Alakium Wa Rahmatuallah

But as I am no longer muslim due to some issues I had serious internal
conflict with. One of which was my bisexuality.

Now I simply say hello, or if you are pagan as such I am I say Merry

I just want to thank you for attempting to open minds with your site and
say to those who would condemn you these things.

The Quran is an complex work, and for almost any of us to say that we
truely know and understand every sentence and phrase would be a farce.
Along with that, the Quran, as well as the 5 daily prayers speak to us
of UNITY as brothers and sisters in Islam. Think about the basis for
your hatred before you see fit to solidify it

Jarmen Kinyeta

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:11:15 +0100
From: "farah" <>
Reply-To: <>
To: <>


To be honest i do not hate you but feel sorry for you guys. Homosexuality
is forbidden in Islam, i think your parents must of taught u that..If you
want to call your selfs muslims why dont you abide with rules which are
made for you????.I am sorry to say but Gay and muslim doesnt go together. A
masjid for Queers???? Please!!!
Masjid is suppose to be house of Allah and should be clean dont use Masjid
with the word Queer gives wrong impression and gives a wrong name to a holy
place where we pray...I highly respect Islam, basically all you guys are
doing is abusing it...

Thankyou for reading...Hope Allah save you!


Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:38:07 PDT
From: "Ahmed WAEL WAEl" <>

Dear Brothers

Well what can i say..... u call it a "queer Jihad"....its like someone
takin the piss

It is DISGUSTING that anyone should even THINK of trying to twist
Islam's rules to tolerate Gays

But it is the case that your sexual deviances have taken away your
sanity SO MUCH that you don't just try to make muslims accept u, but u
also bend the rules of the qu'ran and hadith so that they do. I have
read ur essays about them and they r just a load of CRAP frankly.

And to add to this may Allah curse you for this.

Muslims are DYING in cosovo as i we speak and u r trying to implement a
LOAD OF SHIT to muslims....Western "FREEDOM" really has got to u.

Allah cursed all HOMOSEXUALS and may u all rot in hell for twisting the
Qur'an and Hadith


Allah will punish you in Hell for publishing this Disgusing website
unless you revert from these dispicable ways

Perhaps if you decide to stop being heterosexual, I'll try to stop being homosexual. - Sulayman X

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