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permalink #26 of 30: John P. McAlpin (john-p-mcalpin) Tue 20 Dec 05 17:00
permalink #26 of 30: John P. McAlpin (john-p-mcalpin) Tue 20 Dec 05 17:00
The William Tell bridge has always confused me. I long took it to be the intro to The Eleven. Why were these lyrics dropped from later versions of St. Stephen? When were they cut out?
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permalink #27 of 30: searchlight casting (jstrahl) Wed 28 Dec 05 13:04
permalink #27 of 30: searchlight casting (jstrahl) Wed 28 Dec 05 13:04
I haven't heard them on any post '69 version that i have heard, about the same time that The Eleven was dropped as well. Guess they just didn't have the same effect/impact when going into Not Fade Away.
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permalink #28 of 30: searchlight casting (jstrahl) Fri 6 Jan 06 11:42
permalink #28 of 30: searchlight casting (jstrahl) Fri 6 Jan 06 11:42
And, that segment is in key of B,with A playing a key role, which then led to a jam in that key containing a D chord, which could drop nicely into The Eleven. Not as effective if going into NFA (which, like the main part of St Stephen, is E,A and D).
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permalink #29 of 30: John P. McAlpin (john-p-mcalpin) Mon 16 Jan 06 15:15
permalink #29 of 30: John P. McAlpin (john-p-mcalpin) Mon 16 Jan 06 15:15
That makes much sense, thanks.
Posting on behalf of Gary Kogan: Hi David, Here's my view of the meaning of St. Stephen. All my life I misheard the line from St Stephen, the Hunter Garcia song, Stephen prospered in his time as Stephen Foster in his time. I assumed that the song was about Stephen Foster. When I read about Fosters last days on earth just before the end of the Civil War, I became convinced that the song really is about the 19th century songwriter Stephen Foster, not the Christian martyr. I will follow the trail of clues, which is what we have to do to understand many of Robert Hunters lyrics. What would support the idea that the song is about St. Stephen, aside from the title? Some say that the images of arrows represent the idea of St. Stephens martyrdom; however, St. Stephen was stoned to death, a form of execution typical for the Middle East at the time. The one consistent theme in Hunter lyrics is historical accuracy. Another arrow image is of William Tell, some 1400 years after St. Stephen. There is nothing in the song about challenging authority, which is the reason for St. Stephens execution; a theme that you would expect if this was the story of the first Christian martyr. No other Hunter/Garcia song in any direct or indirect way speaks to religion of any kind (Samson and Delilah lyrics were not written by Hunter.) Hunter sets almost all his songs firmly in the 19th century: as Jerry Garcia is quoted as saying, You have to pick a century. Nineteenth was that century. Foster died penniless, depressed and probably psychotic in New York City just as the Confederate south was collapsing before the end of the Civil War. Foster is known for songs that celebrated the south and supported slavery, but he was a Yankee who visited the south only once. So, Stephen who prospered in his time stayed in a hostile New York where wherever he goes the people all complain. New York City was in some ways neutral until the last days of the Civil War (messy, confusing and contested as one historian put it) which was the time of his death and, I think, the period the song is talking about: troops so hungry neath the sky-ay. The streets of New York were not a comfortable place for a recognizable cultural icon who was an apologist to southern slave owners. Foster was a lifelong Democrat which at the time was the party dedicated to appeasing slave owners and maintaining slavery. Freeborn and recently freed blacks, who had endured recent race riots would certainly have shown their displeasure as would Union supporters who had been holding their tongues in an implicitly neutral New York (the city had prospered by supplying both south and north during the Civil War and many of its institutions had been built, literally and figuratively, on the slave trade.) But why would Robert Hunter choose to sanctify Stephen Foster? Today we consider Fosters music as racist with its portrayals of formerly enslaved people pining for plantation life, but in the sixties that criticism was not common. People knew Foster from the benign Oh, Suzanna and Beautiful Dreamer and the more subtly racist Camptown Races (my son and I called it Camptown Racists when he learned it in elementary school.) A folk group of the late 50s and still in existence, the New Christy Minstrels, was named for the minstrel show most often associated with Stephen Foster, with no apparent irony. Where we see no Christianity in Hunter lyrics Dodd points out two instances of Stephen Fosters influence on Hunter lyrics. In New Speedway Boogie Dodd likens the line in the heat of the sun a man died of cold to the Foster line the sun so hot I froze to death, and from Truckin the reference to the Doo Dah man echoes the chorus of Camptown Races. Foster is considered to be the father and founder of the modern system of royalties, compensation for musical rights. He himself did not make money on any sale of sheet music after the original publication fee, but we know he fought that injustice. The battle was won only after his death. Hunter Foster lived in luxury while his star was high but died penniless after the end of the Civil War. For all we know, he may have had invested heavily in the Confederate economy whose currency became worthless after the war. He may simply have bet on his continuing popularity and lived large, like many artists and sports stars, until the money literally ran out. I think there was a lot of poetic license in depicting Fosters insanity. Youre right to think that the meaning of some of these lyrics is pretty elusive, but it does sound a bit like the memories and desires of someone whose star fell so far and fast. And what better description of the descent into madness? Wishing well with a golden bell Bucket hangin' clear to Hell Hell halfway twixt now and then Stephen fill it up and lower down and lower down again Hunter shows a deep respect for Stephen Foster who was another prolific lyricist and a melody maker now reviled for participating in minstrel shows which are seen today as blatantly racist. Hunter was a superlative lyricist who paired with a superlative musician in Jerry Garcia. It would not be surprising that Hunter saw himself as something of a modern Foster, minus the racism. Beautiful Dreamer, which has none of the inane minstrel show trappings, is certainly a great song, like many Foster songs, infinitely more popular than any Garcia Hunter song. I think in this song we see Hunter pay his respects to Foster, but where Foster is ham-fisted with his lyrics Hunter is exquisite: High green chilly winds and windy Vines and loops around the twining Shafts of lavender, they're crawling to the sun Wonder who will water all the children of the garden When they sigh Heres an example of the infinitely lesser Foster lyric: Living beams of love? Soft rays of mellow light From her eyes were thrown, And her smiles were summer bright, Where has Lula gone? I havent found a biography of Robert Hunter. I would love to see Hunters library and reading history. For some reason there seems to be little scholarly attention to Robert Hunter who will be seen as a great poet if not equal to his great-grandfather and original namesake, the Scottish poet Robert Burns - Hunter was born Robert Burns, but later took the name of his step-father. Judging from the songs we know of it is clear that Hunter was an expert on the 19th century: down to minute detail of juke joints, railway, mining
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