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permalink #801 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Fri 6 Apr 01 08:47
permalink #801 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Fri 6 Apr 01 08:47
Neil--wait wait wait. Wazzat? Day of the Dead? Why don't I know about this? There's a movie of yours out there and I haven't seen it? What is this world coming to? (thank you for welcoming me, i'm all a-jitter) Jinx-- Walker, eh? I think I like the sound of him, mainly because it sounds like Strider and I could use a guide like Strider to navigate this town. Also the blade-in-toy caper sounds like exactly the thing one should have at a Denny's. Also, Justin- Let me know which one you decide to go to... Jouni--My favorite is Lucien. There's something sinister about it. And I'm not talking left-handed, either. In general: Did I miss a thread about the Knights Templar or did that just pop up? I just read Holy Blood, Holy Grail and I'm curious what the consensus is on those danged Cathars. I feel like I've been blessed by something strange by finding this place.
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permalink #802 of 2008: Seth Freilich (ceymick) Fri 6 Apr 01 10:13
permalink #802 of 2008: Seth Freilich (ceymick) Fri 6 Apr 01 10:13
jouni - your pictures are great. i like the haircut one a lot, but i think the faerie magic is actually my favorite. adriana - day of the dead is an episode of Babylon 5 that neil scripted. i think the script is still available through dreamhaven. -- s
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permalink #803 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 6 Apr 01 10:21
permalink #803 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 6 Apr 01 10:21
Neil - yeah, I guess that was the thing... that he wasn't the person who did those crimes any longer... the idea that Raguel didn't just burn away the memory, but the part of him that had the inclination for such acts as well... Still, it's wonderfully ambiguous... was Raguel's action more or less Just than his action before the dawn of Creation? Re-read Chivalry last night, didn't discover any nasty surprises on this reading. Felt relieved and slept better. I'm listening to 60 Love Songs today! Enjoying it immensely! I'm still on the first CD... but love the diversity and unpredicatability I've experienced so far!
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permalink #804 of 2008: Sean Michaels (jonl) Fri 6 Apr 01 10:34
permalink #804 of 2008: Sean Michaels (jonl) Fri 6 Apr 01 10:34
Email from Sean Michaels: Jouni - What lovely pictures! Like old woodcuts. I, too, especially like Lucien. I am considering hanging him on my wall... re: Murder Mysteries - ye Gads! I had never caught that before. Puts a horribly dark spin on one of my favourite stories from S&M (hmm.. i had never caught the significance of that acronym before). As for a hopeful ending, well, I do tend to agree. There was a certain kiss from a certain person, followed by the events in an elevator... Things may not be so happy for our protagonist... Er. Sorry if those were spoilers; I tried to be ambiguous. As I will be leaving town (and computer) shortly, a Happy Passover to all who give such things significance. Sean
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permalink #805 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 6 Apr 01 11:14
permalink #805 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 6 Apr 01 11:14
If DreamHaven put my book on their Neil page, I'll bet they'd sell it out a whole lot sooner! It's definitely a nice thing to do to order it from them, for both yourself and for the publisher and thereby for me. Erynn, I'm sorry you're stuck waiting for the book. They must have sent it book rate--Media Mail is what the USPS calls that now--which is the very cheapest, very slowest rate available. (But a nice option to have when shipping things as heavy as big boxes of books being donated to the very fine Lisa Libraries organization in Brooklyn.) Media Mail can take up to a couple of weeks to go from one side of the country to another. They put it on donkeys or something. I'm told that if you give the shipper your full nine-digit zip code (you can look that up on the postal service site, www.usps.com), that speeds things up considerably. Don't worry. My stories are hardly so tricky as Murder Mysteries I don't think. Most of them are hardly so tricky at all, at least plotwise. --Oh, and as for Murder Mysteries, I think the main reason I thought it was obvious was that to me, the "frame" story was the foreground and the angels story was background and I was waiting for the "frame" story again; people who are more attracted to the angels story are more likely to skim the "frame" story a little, probably. But I always read it as the main part of the story, which has more to do with personal taste than any kind of IQ rating certainly.
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permalink #806 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Fri 6 Apr 01 11:29
permalink #806 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Fri 6 Apr 01 11:29
Relative newcomers might want to check out topic 73 as well, being the frozen, previous incarnation of this topic, wherein the Knights Templar came up a couple of times. I've been meaning to read Holy Blood, Holy Grail for a while now. Most of what I know about it is through Robert Anton Wilson books.
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permalink #807 of 2008: Dax Pagan (jonl) Fri 6 Apr 01 11:37
permalink #807 of 2008: Dax Pagan (jonl) Fri 6 Apr 01 11:37
Email from Dax Pagan: Have been lurking for a long time, but this is the first time I'm 'jumping in'. Adriana- I'm an LA person, and I made three good friends in a line at one of Neil's Book Soup signings; always looking to meet more. Feel free to e-mail me at elevatorman42@hotmail.com. Re: Murder Mysteries: I think it's played very fair, and if anyone misses it, I'd think they'd go back to what Neil says in the introduction (to both 'Angels and Visitations' and 'Smoke and Mirrors'): "There are clues everywhere. There's even one in the title." Trev- Know exactly how you feel on the Ramadan figure. Gorgeous to look at, but I'm disappointed in their 'functionality'. Seems like DC Direct plays better to the 'Leave them in the box' crowd. My Ramadan figure doesn't fit in the base well, the interior purple capes don't match exactly, of COURSE the thing is top heavy and must be leaned against something, and can ANYONE set the red ball in Dream's hand? My Amano figure had to be returned to the store- one of those dangling chains came damaged (worked with small jeweler's precision tools for awhile, to no avail)... and (most annoying of all) the original Dream figure- tipped over- a height of JUST the height of the figure- what?- six inches or so- and the little peg holding Matthew into his arm broke off, and can't be fixed. Very frustrating. To not be completely negative, though, the Death and Del plushes are cool, and I'm glad the bookends were re-issued in miniature... Neil- Very much looking forward to AG... (and Coraline and Wolves in the Walls, and...). Has there been any improvement in relations with the Warners people that you've discussed as the reason you're unwilling (at this time) to do the Delirium mini-series with Jill? A 'broken record' of a question, I know, but I know a huge audience is still hoping... Anyway, excited to hear about the Barnabus/Del storybook thing she's doing in the meantime. Any movement in the legal issues concerning Angela/Miracleman, or can you say? Again, another 'still hoping'... And Sweeney Todd with Mr. Zulli?
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permalink #808 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 6 Apr 01 12:13
permalink #808 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 6 Apr 01 12:13
Dax - yes, my Dream figure did the same thing (although from a slightly greater height) about 24 hours after I got him. Dropped to the ground and Matthew broke off the arm, leaving the peg in Dream's arm and Matthew completely free to fly wherever he damn well pleases. *sigh* My Jack Skellington figureine has similar problems and it took me several location attempts before i found where I could put him so that he wouldn't slide off of his tombstone every time I walked past him.
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permalink #809 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Fri 6 Apr 01 14:00
permalink #809 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Fri 6 Apr 01 14:00
Right. Yes. Of course. Babylon 5. Knew that, I did. Excellent.
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permalink #810 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Fri 6 Apr 01 15:50
permalink #810 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Fri 6 Apr 01 15:50
Anyone who has not read Murder Mysteries yet PLEASE skip over my post to Dan. Dan- Of course violence against women and children is horrible, but it exists and it needs to be acknoledged, from time to time. People acknowledge violence agaisnt men all the time. Ignoring it doesen't make it go away. I wasn't as much creeped out by the second mystery as I was stunned. I think one of the reasons I didn't see it the first time was because I kept thinking of Neil as the narrator. I couldn't help it. Too many similarities (yes, even him talking to an angel was believable)So, of course I wasn't expecting him to kill anyone. Because, as Neil said, he wasn't a bad guy after the angel kissed him. And the elevator scene at the end was symbolic. It was wonderful story dark or not. THe great thing about Neil stories is that there is darkness but there's always an element of hope. Like a yin-yang. very well balanced. I'll email you more of my thoughts about it later. I'm sure you won't be weary of it then. Neil- I've never had a problem finding you on Dreamhaven or anywhere on the net. I've even found things by you that you may not be aware that you've written(Neil Gaiman's Neil Gaiman) But I couldn't find Martha on Dreamhaven. I do think that they need to become more user friendly to make it easier for people to find and order all of those wonderful things. Ah well. I'll write to them. Oh, and I think I'll return an expression you once gave me. ON 'Eaten'- Good lord. Martha- Media Mail? Donkeys? Oh no. I'd heard of it, but I didn't know what it was all about. I recently ordered some other things that are going to be shipped that way. They made it sound like it was this exciting fast new way to ship things. I wonder if it's too late to upgrade the shipping. I'm glad you informed me, however. I'm always in the dark about these things. I can't wait to read your book. If I like it, which I don't see why I won't (I've read about it and it sounds fantastic), I'll help you plug it and get it more recognized. I'm pretty good at plugging other people's stuff. Watch: Robert Anton Wilson is great! I read 'Masks of the Illuminati' fairly recently (you know, the one with Crowley, James Joyce and Einstien in it.) Strange, strange story. I will surely read more of his work. Okay. My next post will be short for once. Promise.
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permalink #811 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Fri 6 Apr 01 16:12
permalink #811 of 2008: Sweet Shiva on a Skateboard (madman) Fri 6 Apr 01 16:12
_Masks of the Illuminati_ was pretty good. _The Illuminatus! Trilogy_ was far better, IMO. (Beats _Schroedinger's Cat_, too.) But a lot of the neat info also comes from _Everything Is Under Control- Conspiracies, Cults, and Cover-Ups_, which is one of the coolest books I own.
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permalink #812 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 6 Apr 01 16:52
permalink #812 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 6 Apr 01 16:52
Erynn - funny thing is, the first time I read it, I pictured Neil as the narrator as well. Must be that whole British thing... that, and I kind of saw it as a tongue in cheek way of explaining how the whole Silver City thing came about. (See, it's actually a true story, and the reason that it comes up in different genres is that it's ACTUALLY what happened..... um .... yeah). When I called Dreamhaven to pick up Martha's book today, I just gave them the title (based on her Well Profile) and that seemed to work pretty good... but yeah, if you're not from around these parts, I don't know how you'd ever find it. (I *am* terribly excited about being able to pre-order the new Vertigo tarot, though) Dan
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permalink #813 of 2008: Justin Wieland (justinwieland) Fri 6 Apr 01 17:21
permalink #813 of 2008: Justin Wieland (justinwieland) Fri 6 Apr 01 17:21
Len - Thanks for the link to those essays . All those term papers I have due in the coming week weren't yet incentive enough to go out and ge some more paper for the printer . Neil - That would be great , if it wouldn't be any trouble for you to rummage around a little bit . Actually , there was another book that you had mentioned once that seemed like just the sort of thing I like . I think you said it was all about the stories behind the names of the various spots around London . Street names , etc . Might you also know the name of that offhand ?
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permalink #814 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 6 Apr 01 18:01
permalink #814 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 6 Apr 01 18:01
Okay, Media Mail probably isn't shipped on donkeys. But it's just about the cheapest kind of mail service there is, which means they are never in any kind of a rush with it. They send it along to the next rock when it's convenient. The narrator in Murder Mysteries is very easy to read as Neil-ish, as are a few of Neil's other narrators here and there. That didn't stop me from reading the story the way I read it at all....
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permalink #815 of 2008: Holy Gouda (erynn-miles) Fri 6 Apr 01 18:30
permalink #815 of 2008: Holy Gouda (erynn-miles) Fri 6 Apr 01 18:30
Martha- I do beleive that it is shipped on donkeys. In fact, I went outside a while ago and saw a postal man riding one. Remembering what you had said, I ran up to him and asked if he had my package. He fumbled around in his leather sack and then said: "No, but I am on my way to Vermont now, so I should have it for you when I return." And then the donkey licked me.
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permalink #816 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 6 Apr 01 19:45
permalink #816 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 6 Apr 01 19:45
Martha... what do you know about Neil that we don't? Hoping Neil's been "Kissed By An Angel" Dan
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permalink #817 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Fri 6 Apr 01 19:57
permalink #817 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Fri 6 Apr 01 19:57
re: Ramadan figure - the red ball balances fine, but then, I gave up the illusion of the figure actually fitting into the base 5 minutes after it came out of the box. Honestly, he hovers just fine without the base. I'm more upset with the fact that DC labels them as "action" figures, when they clearly aren't meant to be moved once posed. 'points of articulation' HAH! squeaks - who did *not* lose her job today, despite much berating of the stupidity of fellow employees, very loudly, and in earshot of every manager on duty. *PHEW!*
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permalink #818 of 2008: Erynn Mile (erynn-miles) Fri 6 Apr 01 20:01
permalink #818 of 2008: Erynn Mile (erynn-miles) Fri 6 Apr 01 20:01
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permalink #819 of 2008: -N. (streak) Fri 6 Apr 01 20:09
permalink #819 of 2008: -N. (streak) Fri 6 Apr 01 20:09
My favorite action figures are my Hunter Rose Grendel and my Kevin Matchstick figures. Great props, lots of articulation, and they stand up in lots of different poses, and look cool in all of 'em.
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permalink #820 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 6 Apr 01 20:26
permalink #820 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 6 Apr 01 20:26
Donkeys are so friendly, aren't they? Neil? I know nothing. I don't know where the bodies are buried. I mean-- what bodies?
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permalink #821 of 2008: Reg (regosborne) Fri 6 Apr 01 23:16
permalink #821 of 2008: Reg (regosborne) Fri 6 Apr 01 23:16
Adriana- My personal opinion on "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" ties in with Neil's comments about suspension of disbelief in non-fiction works. I guess it didn't help that I read it in tandem with Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum" but I thought that while the historical research was fascinating, the authors' credulity was almost breath taking. I got the impression that their fascination with the story they saw unfolding led them to accept without question anything that would support it. Maybe I'm overly cynical but almost every chapter contained something thad had me rolling my eyes and muttering "Even Linda Lovelace wouldn't swallow that!" I was left with the impression that if the alleged age-old conspiracy actually existed, involving all the usual suspects as it did, then the fact that they were still stuck in the shadows and not openly ruling the world after all this time suggested the conspirators were so incompetent they made Guy Fawkes look like Machiavelli. Just my .02c Reg(who would nevertheless, love to stumble across the secret memoirs of Berainger Saunier)
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permalink #822 of 2008: Robynne (gorey) Fri 6 Apr 01 23:21
permalink #822 of 2008: Robynne (gorey) Fri 6 Apr 01 23:21
I love my Jack Skellington & Sally dolls from Japan's Jun Planning. They got the proportions right, and they actually look like Jack and Sally. Plus: changeable heads! glow in the dark! Sally's sewing basket! Alas, Disney has not done so well by them. The Sally action figure I got in WDW isn't very good quality, and she's got an expression like a cheerleader. The Disney Beanie version of Sally is downright ugly. Oogie Boogie, on the other hand, is the perfect beanie. Jack just looks silly in plush. <stagewalker>, is your Jack Skellington figure you mentioned the one where he's leaning on the tombstone from "Jack's Lament"? I like that one very much, but I don't have it. ooh, I forgot, the Disney Classics Collection figurines of Jack & Sally are very nice. And they do not topple. Okay, so I'm a little obsessed with Nightmare toys.
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permalink #823 of 2008: Reg (regosborne) Fri 6 Apr 01 23:39
permalink #823 of 2008: Reg (regosborne) Fri 6 Apr 01 23:39
And after that little rant, I forgot to say what I had intended. Just reading the AG journal and I'm very pleased that I'll be abled to update the proprietrix of my local bookstore on the Australian publication, since she was thrilled when I told her Neil had a new novel coming out and has been almost tearing her hair out at the lack of information she has been getting from Hodder about it. Also, slap me in the stocks and let fly with the rotten fruit if I am wrong, but I was of the impression the Mardi was Tuesday in French. Finally, I would add my vote of no confidence in the DC Direct figures. I had exactly the same thing happen with the pin affixing Matthew to Dream's arm, (with the result that Matthew now rests at Dream's feet looking disturbingly like a Nowegian Blue Raven,) and with the figures' inherrent inability to stand on their own two feet. Reg (and don't even get me started on the fact that the John Constantine figure's face appears to have been modeled on Rowan Atkinson in Mr Bean mode.)
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permalink #824 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Fri 6 Apr 01 23:42
permalink #824 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Fri 6 Apr 01 23:42
Jouniac -- I like the haircut one too. Len -- you can stick to the contents and page numbers if you like, and I'll tell you roughly how many sentences there are in my theory. Adriana -- what everyone else said -- my Babylon 5 Episode. And as someone else said, look through Topic 73 for interesting stuff on the Templars. Dan -- there are almost no surprises in Chivalry. I had a certain amount of fun building a few of those things into American Gods; I can pretty much guarantee that your second read of it will be of a different book to the one you read the first time. Sean -- thanks martha -- we should suggest it to Dreamhaven. Dax, I'm with you, Trevor et al on the functionality of the floating Arabian Nights guy. It is do-able (I did it, but only after Karen Berger, my editor told me she had done it) but it's not easy. Warners relationships improved a great deal last year. We'll see what happens this year. Erynn -- did you find Eaten on the web? Justin -- remind me next week. I'm going off with my son to the East Coast to visit universities for a couple of days. Worcester and Washington, here we come.
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permalink #825 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 6 Apr 01 23:50
permalink #825 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Fri 6 Apr 01 23:50
Oh my god, Mike's headed to college.
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