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permalink #976 of 2008: Rebecca Atchison (nefertiti) Mon 20 Aug 01 11:52
permalink #976 of 2008: Rebecca Atchison (nefertiti) Mon 20 Aug 01 11:52
For amusement's sake: a little story I posted to the Plumage conf. is presently being used for WELL promotion on Salon.com's page. A warning, though, that it involves chickens, and my underwear. Had I known that more than 15 Plumagerians would be reading it, I'd've done a bit more tweaking-of-grammar, rather than simply banging it out and posting it raw. In any case, it's there, should you have a need to laugh at/with someone you know.
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permalink #977 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Mon 20 Aug 01 13:08
permalink #977 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Mon 20 Aug 01 13:08
Ai! My Vertigo Tarot was just dropped in my lap. Happiness is a stack of Dave McKean artworks! Martha - No, theatre people in SF are definitely not in it for the money, although C.A.F.E. does pay the actors a stipend. It works out to something like... $1 an hour... something like that.
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permalink #978 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Mon 20 Aug 01 23:52
permalink #978 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Mon 20 Aug 01 23:52
O.K., I'm back. Santo Domingo is lovely. I was shocked to learn, however, that apparently something occurred there for which Montezuma is still extracting revenge. The inside of my hotel room was not nearly as attractive as the rest of the D.R........I spent most of the week in bed. I would like to be there still, but I had a 14 hour day to put in on my first day back. So I will attempt to keep this brief, as I suspect I am still delirious. There are no obvious copies of AG in the Miami airport. Nor were there any in the Santo Domingo airport. However, in O'Hare, one can find it prominently displayed at Waterstone's on the front table. And on an end cap at...bugger all....oh, hell, forgot the name of the shop. However, my buddy JT, who went with me to the Carribean, was so sick of hearing me go on about the ruddy book that he bought a copy from those nice people. So when we got to Waterstone's, I had to buy a copy of "Kavelier & Clay" to reward them for having the taste to display AG so prominently. Logical, non? The entire time we were in Santo Domingo, one or the other of us would suddenly pipe up, appropos of nothing--"If you cannot talk of Martha, what's the point of having speech?"--having watched some of the vid before we left. Jinx--break a leg! Len--"Hamlet, the Musical" was written by that great team, Heinsplatt & DeSelza, of course! (Sorry, it's one of the conceits of the show). Actually, it was Jeff Richmond and Michael Thomas. Um, there's probably lots more, but I'm pooped. Oh, yeah, loved the Terry Gilliam e-mail. The man is a god. I sort of liked the Bollywood idea......... So much for brief! Mary (reading Disobedience by Jane Hamilton)
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permalink #979 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Tue 21 Aug 01 01:29
permalink #979 of 2008: Michelle Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Tue 21 Aug 01 01:29
Neil - it's not so much the amount of people in the crowd as it is the ... oh, this is going to come out much colder than I really mean it... annoyance factor of the crowd? I have no problems with fans being, well, fans and screaming and crying and all that. I think it's great. But when they're screaming right in your ear over every song and crying and blowing their noses on your sleeve with no warning... it's a bit much for me. (<-- and these examples were my own experiences asking 'how was the show' after her last stint in SF) Still. I've never seen her and I'm looking very much forward to it! Martha - If the tickets are up for grabs while I'm at BM, you won't be the only one groveling... (crossed fingers that the local wea reps REALLY love me) squeaks, who is supposed to be desert-bound on Wednesday, but doesn't see it actually working out that way...
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permalink #980 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 21 Aug 01 12:26
permalink #980 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Tue 21 Aug 01 12:26
I've never seen Tori, and I'd love to, but don't think it's going to happen... A lot of Knoxville fans are disappointed that she's not coming here as she usually does.
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permalink #981 of 2008: The Jinx link (jinx) Tue 21 Aug 01 20:34
permalink #981 of 2008: The Jinx link (jinx) Tue 21 Aug 01 20:34
Adriana ~ Thanks for the advice, I did about the same as your husband, and got cut in the final round. It was myself, a very cute older woman from Boston with a huge accent, a professional magic-type guy, this drop dead beautiful man, a very preppy law student named Mitzi,and two others that didn't stand out in my mind. I wore black and looked like my typical odd self, missed two questions. One was "What do you get on the 10th day of Christmas, in the song the 12 Days of Christmas", and "What is the bird you're said to have around your next if you're in a bad situation/depressed" I knew the second was an albatross, but couldn't think of the name, was going through seasgull, pelican,....storks,....I knew it was a water bird. It was a written test and I had to fill in the black and knew it right after I wrote seagull. I took American Gods with me to re-read and was accosted several times by people wondering if was any good, and had a biker guy hit onme because I was the second girl he'd seen woth the novel. Said he was going to read it but was going in order and had to read Neverwhere first. He didn't beleive me when I said it didn't matter. I had a decent time and was amazed at how many people brought their kids. Got lunch of an old b/f and had a rotten drive home due to a nasty thunderstorm. Finally tracked down some red eyeshadow I'd been looking for and didn't stress out my bad knee to much standing in line for 2 hours. Thank you for all the best wishes!!!! Neil ~ You forgot the e :) Jinx who gets asked less how to spell Jinx then she does her other name
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permalink #982 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 21 Aug 01 21:04
permalink #982 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 21 Aug 01 21:04
Patrick -- you're right, of course. Long time ago, told to me second-hand, and not something I've cherished greenly in memory. I -was,- however, directly told by a buyer for B. Dalton that they didn't like the Sanjulian cover, because they "didn't know what section of the store to put it in." Neil -- when did we see Tori in downtown Mpls? I know that was at least partly Just Her and A Piano (I remember it as mostly, but it's been a long long day full of long long plane flights -- sitting on the SLC runway while the supercell bears down on you is an, uh, interesting experience), and it doesn't seem like it can have been seven years. Though see previous aside.
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permalink #983 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 21 Aug 01 21:54
permalink #983 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 21 Aug 01 21:54
Bill -- any comment? Sure. You're right, that's certainly how it seems. Patrick - I believed it, only because the people who explained it to me -- then senior editorial people at H/C -- didn't seem to think there was anything odd, let alone wrong, about being told what to do by the warehouse manager, although they did say I wasn't the only one to grumble about it. It wasn't presented as buck passing or even an excuse -- It Was policy. They Needed the Space. Mary - my sympathies on Montezuma's revenge. My son Mike said words to the effect of "Whoa dad. That egg is not cooked. Way to get salmonella dude," a couple of days ago. (I was teaching him to poach eggs, as he goes to college tomorrow as a grown up. Egg number one wasn't cooked so I did the Dad thing & ate it. "Whoa. Living dangerously dad," said Mike.) I spent the night with gradually increasing astonishment as I learned just how much vomit can one out of one adult male writer. And am still recovering. Sigh. Michelle -- well, if I ever happen to be next to you at a Tori show, I promise neither to cry nor to blow my nose on your sleeve. And martha won't either. Tracey -- oops. Mike -- I thought that when we saw her that time she brought Steve Caton on to play guitar for a couple of numbers. That would have been about 5 years ago, because, if memory serves, that was the one where she dedicated Frog on my Toe to Maddy, who was walking but not talking much...
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permalink #984 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 21 Aug 01 22:49
permalink #984 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 21 Aug 01 22:49
http://www.nationalpost.com/search/story.html?f=/stories/20010804/637258.html& qs=gaiman it's from a Canadian paper and I have only the very faintest memories of writing the replies at some point on the tour...
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permalink #985 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 21 Aug 01 23:10
permalink #985 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 21 Aug 01 23:10
But Mike will go off to college secure in the evidence that he is indeed smarter than his dad.
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permalink #986 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 21 Aug 01 23:13
permalink #986 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 21 Aug 01 23:13
Neil -- I came in late; apologies. I'd understood it to be any instance of Tori/Piano/Solo, not an entire concert in said mode. For lo, there was accompaniment. And indeed Maddy was there, and Quite Small. My friends' children seem to grow up in a nonlinear fashion -- one doesn't notice changes for years, and abruptly someone's going to college. I'm definitely going to get a story out of this someday, but i don't yet know what it is. It seems to stop after a certain point, i suppose because the timescale of physical change is both different and closer to what is happening to oneself, which tends to be imperceptible unless something drastic happens. A few weeks ago we saw PRINCELET, HAM OF DENMARK at the Guthrie, in an RSC tour with Peter McEnery as Claudius. When he came out, I was recalling the last time I'd seen him on stage, as Grandier in Whiting's THE DEVILS, and thought, wow, he looks so much older. Then I recalled that was seventeen years ago.
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permalink #987 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 21 Aug 01 23:18
permalink #987 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 21 Aug 01 23:18
Martha -- EVERY male human being who goes to college does so in the certain knowledge that he knows more than his dad. For that matter, those who -don't- go to college go to whatever it is they go to believing likewise. It's on the Y chromosome somewhere between fried pork rinds and trucs with seven feet of ground clearance.
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permalink #988 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 21 Aug 01 23:19
permalink #988 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Tue 21 Aug 01 23:19
er, "trucks." "Truc" is French for "knack," which is not what I meant at all, though Jerry Lewis would have done brilliant things with it.
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permalink #989 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Wed 22 Aug 01 06:40
permalink #989 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Wed 22 Aug 01 06:40
I saw Tori once live; the Alanis double concert. I went for Alanis, and my sister went for Tori. She was good that night, and I enjoyed it, but I've since become a Toriphile, and in no small part because of the Well. I think it was To Venus and Back that cemented it for me. Neil- My grandfather used to make me what he called "Egg in Milks," which is pretty much what it sounds like, with vanilla and sugar, in a blender. Of course, he passed away when I was five, so this was before Salmonella became such a Big Thing. Jinx- I've always wanted to see a Very Beautiful Girl reading STARDUST, simply because that would probably give me the best opening I could hope for, and she would, of course, be someone worth talking to. I've yet to, though. Michelle- I went to an Alanis concert once with a bad crowd. People moshed, and she actually looked out at them, and paused, and said, "This is so not about moshing." That was cool. I've never been used as a handkerchief, though. Mary and Neil- glad you're both recovering. And Neil- Wish Mike luck. It's such a cool time; I'm just 23, with two younger siblings, and so many people I know are going away and starting this fall. All the best to any of them who might read this. -Will, who's *Much* smarter than my father. <grin>
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permalink #990 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 22 Aug 01 08:13
permalink #990 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 22 Aug 01 08:13
Neil: You should come with a warning label.
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permalink #991 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Wed 22 Aug 01 09:53
permalink #991 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Wed 22 Aug 01 09:53
Neil: strangely, I too am recovering from a ruinous egg a few days ago. IT'S LIKE WE'RE THE SAME! except completely different. Jinx: sounds like you did a great job! did they tell you when you might be notified?
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permalink #992 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Wed 22 Aug 01 11:50
permalink #992 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Wed 22 Aug 01 11:50
Ive been in hell. Couldnt connect to The Well since Friday, due either to the hardware move or to some incomprehensible snafu on our server. It was almost as bad as quitting smoking. My fingertips started tingling the same way. <big, sucking inhalation> Ahhh. Thats much better. I missed everybody! Jinx: Im sorry to have missed your great TV adventure. I confess that I cant stand the show; its so gleefully mean. So Im really just happy that you got the opportunity to do something you wanted to, had some fun and exited with your self-respect in tact. Brava! JennyB/<squeaks>: Im so relieved! Im not alone in my concert-phobia. Its embarrassing when people know that youre really into somebodys music and theyre in town and you dont go. I still dont have a good response worked out. Luckily (or not), Im old enough now that people assume its because Ive grown up and have Responsibilities. More fools them. <squeaks>/Kelly/Dan, et al.: Hope you all have a blast at BM! Rebecca, re: Salon.com--Ohmigod, that was funny! Im soooo sorry, but all in the name of artistic inspiration...! Are you on the upswing from your illness, yet? Can we send you anything? (BTW, did they ask you before posting it up on the website? I hope you say yes.) Neil: <wince> I had to give up the Fine Family Tradition of eating raw chocolate chip cookie dough years ago, because of salmonella. I cant tell you how excited I was when I realized that you could make cookie dough with reconstituted egg whitesno danger! Will Mike be near or far away? Hope he loves it. Does he have a major in mind? Also, thanks for your response about writing (over on 116 before it froze over). Even though it depressed the hell out of me. Everyone-General Question: Am I the only one (other than JaNell, whos already admitted to it) who struggles regularly with deciding what level of personal exposure is appropriate here? I find myself constantly in dire danger of writing things like how driving home in the evenings over Sepulveda is like sex, and then deciding that a) no one really needs to know this, b) even Bilquis scenes could probably not make that on-topic, even here, and c) I should probably call my friends more often. But they dont want to know that either, actually, even over margaritas. Which is why this medium becomes so seductive. Writing it is different than saying it, in my world anyway. Is this a function of being relatively new to the online posting world? Will I Get Over It? And what will happen when I do? Anybody care to comment/share? -P "A worthwhile god is one you live for." -Terry Pratchett
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permalink #993 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Wed 22 Aug 01 11:52
permalink #993 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Wed 22 Aug 01 11:52
Adriana slipped. <wince> for you, too. I'm cheering you on for your screenplay!
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permalink #994 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 22 Aug 01 12:15
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permalink #995 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 22 Aug 01 12:17
permalink #995 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 22 Aug 01 12:17
(the above was a mercy scribble, I forgot the no HTML thing) Pamela - you missed me? I thought that no one even noticed I was gone... Oh, about "Am I the only one (other than JaNell, who?s already admitted to it) who struggles regularly with deciding what level of personal exposure is appropriate here?" I admit everything and win by relaxing. On the other hand, I don't admit *to* everything, which in my vernacular means that I don't volunteer everything. There's always gonna be surprises... So, maybe a good rule of thumb is: Will you be mortified if your spouse/child/mom/boss/friends/child's teacher read it? It's going to be here forever...
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permalink #996 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Wed 22 Aug 01 12:19
permalink #996 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Wed 22 Aug 01 12:19
Neil- I hope you're feeling better. I was browsing EBay yesterday and I noticed that someone was bidding, like, $35.00 for the Sandman script that you can download for free at The Dreaming. I e-mailed them a nice letter explaining this, and they thanked me. I told them about this place too. It's nice to enlighten people. Janell- how could we *not* notice? Yesterday was my Birthday. I am now the big 23. Today is Tori's Birthday. Happy Birthday! Erynn, who is smarter than her dad, though, that's not saying much.
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permalink #997 of 2008: Elise Matthesen (lioness) Wed 22 Aug 01 15:18
permalink #997 of 2008: Elise Matthesen (lioness) Wed 22 Aug 01 15:18
Happy birthday, Erynn! Today is Tori's birthday? Cool! Then she and I are birthday twins, because it's my birthday too! I just got back last night from celebrating with Mike in Las Vegas, along with another birthday twin, Will Shetterly. (I think we're all different years, but the same day.) Emma and I talked of American Gods, and of Endicott Peabody and (especially when Steve Brust was in the entourage, as he was the first evening) of Doc Holliday, and we had a whee of a time. Emma and Will say hi to everybody. So do Debbie Notkin and Alan Bostick, who took Mike and me to see Cirque du Soleil's "O", which was splendid beyond words, and possessed of unearthly and lifechanging beauty. I came home resolved to Make Much Art. Also, there was a loud and heartfelt chorus of "Thank you, Neil!" from our crew after we enjoyed the other excellent theatrical event that was your gift, followed by an even louder chorus of "Thank you, Lorraine!!" when Emma and Debbie and Mike simultaneously pointed out that Fabulous (as Mike refers to her) did the nitty-gritty arranging work. She's a peach, and I'm glad she works for y'all. And you are a very sweet guy, and just basically a lovely person. (That, by the way, is consensus from the gang.) It helped make this the bestest birthday ever. (And given that I've had birthdays that included things like Maya Angelou sending us a round of wine, that's saying something. It's true, though.) Elise, in happy/tired/celebratory/taking-it-easy/unpacking lioness mode P.S. The Tori concert I went to with you and Mike and everybody was the first time I ever saw her or heard her music, and I am so so so grateful for being introduced to her work. Dunno if I've ever thanked you for that, so here's thanks now, just in case. I bought a book about her a while back, and it had some really cool quote about doing elfmagic stuff, and it's been inspiring and really important to know she thinks that way too... speaking of elfmagic and fairy godmother stuff, I wound up making earrings on the plane for the flight attendants (I always travel with tools and beads) and a magic necklace, figuring that they could use a little good surprising because the weather was providing enough bad surprising. They were really happy, and wound up bringing me and Mr. Ford a huge bag of goodies as a present (beer! wine! fancy first-class almonds!) to take home, and one of them told me I glowed when I got on the plane, and it all made me think of the happy bits of stories you've written, and of that photograph from Guy Fawkes day that you said was clear proof of elfness. Elfosity? Anyhow, it just feels right now as if the best thing about life is having a chance to make fine things and give them to people, because it's like it keeps all the good energy circulating, the good energy that came in through the beautiful scary gorgeous writing and music and art and performance and design and science of all the people that make stuff that delights and wonders me. (My grammar, as Juan once pointed out, is again of no country. But you know what I mean, right?) Oh, and Emma mentioned your story about finding stuff in charity shops, as did some other good person recently (Jo Walton, maybe? Debbie Notkin?), and I do believe that it's entered the lexicon as a reference for certain types of beautiful gravitas when faced with synchronicity that might daunt or fluster most mere mortals. Or something like that. I am full of birthday and drunk on words, and looking forward to dinner tonight with Juan, who also sends hellos to all and sundry good folk. (P.S. I remember a long time ago being at dinner with you and everybody, just before your esteemed lady wife was due with Maddy, and we were all talking about names, and I mentioned one I liked that started with a B. You got kind of a funny look, and said that yes, it was a very fine name, but that it might wind up in something, so you were saving it. I was, um, just curious as to whether it wound up in anything while I wasn't looking, because if it did, I've got a trip to Dreamhaven to make. Hey, wait a minute -- it's my birthday! I'm going to Dreamhaven no matter what; woo-hoo! Juan said to pick something fun, so this certainly fits the bill.)
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permalink #998 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Wed 22 Aug 01 15:50
permalink #998 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Wed 22 Aug 01 15:50
Squeaks... I was recently at a Stevie Nicks concert, which was fabulous. Except for one part. The guy behind us. The sobbingly drunk guy who was alternating between using his boyfriends shirt as a tissue and screaming, at the top of his lungs "BRING... HER... OOOUUUT..." every time she went offstage. (This was especially annoying while trying to enjoy the dual-drummer solo.) If she was on stage, instead of enjoying the music, he was screaming "LAAAAAAANDSLIDE" at the top of his voice. Nevermind that we were in the back of the Key Arena, and any chance of her hearing him over all the other people, or even her backup musicians, was nil. (Either that, or he thought some of us around him had Some Sort of Influence.) She didn't play Landslide, and she eventually stopped coming back on stage. The house lights rose, and he stood there sobbing and loudly proclaiming to everyone in range that she had to come back, she hadn't played his song. It was, to say the least, a frustrating 2hrs of an otherwise enjoyable show. ... I am desperately hoping Tori tickets have the good decency to go on sale *after* I am back from Burning Man, but have a feeling they will go on sale Sept 4, while I am still gone. Because that's just my luck. I leave for BM in a little over 48 hours. Guess I should go buy my food, eh?... heh, oh dear I'm so not ready... -Kelly Uhm. *reads Elise's post with a mix of awe and envy*
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permalink #999 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 22 Aug 01 16:12
permalink #999 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 22 Aug 01 16:12
Happy Birthday, all of you birthday people! My husband, Cameron, turns 29 tomorrow...
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permalink #1000 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 22 Aug 01 16:14
permalink #1000 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Wed 22 Aug 01 16:14
Erynn - Um, was that meant in a nice way? These days I've no faith at all.
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