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permalink #1351 of 2008: experience uncut Martha (madman) Thu 13 Sep 01 00:39
permalink #1351 of 2008: experience uncut Martha (madman) Thu 13 Sep 01 00:39
I don't think I'll overcome my issues with giving blood (one of the last times I had blood drawn I fainted and convulsed across the floor). My blood isn't as useful as some- type B. Were I type O, I would consider trying to overcome my fears and issues. Instead, I gave money. I posted this to a mailing list I'm on. Thought it might be worth reposting here, considering I quote Dream. -- So much. Perhaps it is a small thing, but for some reason I found comfort in this quote: "Everything that has a beginning has an ending. Make your peace with that and all will be well." -- The Buddha I'm glad everyone here is ok. I sorrow for the loss any of you have experienced. Blessed be. Adam "Everything changes. And nothing is truly lost." --
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permalink #1352 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Thu 13 Sep 01 04:54
permalink #1352 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Thu 13 Sep 01 04:54
Back at work today. Security has really been beefed up on the commuter trains and at the metro. On Tuesday I saw metro guards patrolling with machine guns, but none of that today.
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permalink #1353 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 13 Sep 01 06:32
permalink #1353 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 13 Sep 01 06:32
Hello all. I'm safe but know people who aren't. My best friend up here is on the ESU. He was there. I've been trying to get in touch with him but have had no luck. Cell phones are spotty as it is. I was on the Hoboken Ferry when Building 7 fell. I've never seen anything more frightening. When I was a child, my grandmother gave me this encyclopedic-type book that was actually meant to be read, and one of the last pages was about Nostradamus, and his predictions about WWIII, and the Great City. I've had recurring nightmares ever since, the most recent of which was a month ago. Surreal in the worst kind of way to see it actually happen. I thank God that we've had everyone accounted for here, and at the same time I can't help thinking about the ones that aren't. I've thought of all of you in the past couple of days, and I'll continue to. It's strange to come back to work. Everyone's always silent on a New York morning, because we're all bustling to work and we don't know each other, but this is a different quiet. This is stunned, and dazed. Picked up the Village Voice this morning. The cover headline is a shot of the second plane hitting, and reads "THE BASTARDS!" Seems totally inappropriate in the worst possible way. I don't know what they were going for, but I hope it's not what they got.
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permalink #1354 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 13 Sep 01 08:25
permalink #1354 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 13 Sep 01 08:25
Len-Oh, no. I'm so sorry... All the NYC people-I'm glad you're still with us. It's so good to be over here... I've pissed off too many people over at Neil's board that, coached in hypocritically sugary condolences, thought that right now is a good time to explain why America and Americans deserved this. Still appalled at some of them. Some of them are British, which shocked the bejesus out of me! I don't understand how saying, or even implying, such a thing is OK, but retorting isn't... Listening to NPR today, they were talking about some of the individuals identified... All those lives... I sat in traffic with tears rolling... And a few survivors who posted over at the message board, knowing they breathed in toxic fumes, asbestos, knowing they now have a death sentence... How could I not respond to some putzer smugly sitting safe at home, passing judgement on us? I couldn't ignore it and be at peace with myself. Ah, well. As Frank Zappa says, "Be who you is, and not what you ain't."
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permalink #1355 of 2008: Lenny Bailes (jroe) Thu 13 Sep 01 10:23
permalink #1355 of 2008: Lenny Bailes (jroe) Thu 13 Sep 01 10:23
Martha, I think it's C. It's the noncontagious, benign one. I don't have it now, but there are traces in the blood.
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permalink #1356 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Thu 13 Sep 01 10:35
permalink #1356 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Thu 13 Sep 01 10:35
Adam, I like that quote a lot... in fact, I think I'll change my sig to it on another board. The board where I've been called a coward, and unpatriotic, and willing to let America die... all because I have this silly notion that leveling the Middle East won't make anything better. *sigh* I'm out on the blood donation thing because my husband is bisexual. Item 6 or something, on the donation rules, promptly rules me out. It annoys me; I understand that you can crunch numbers and come up with high risk groups, but I also feel it's unfair to write off an entire group of people and their loved ones, simply because... well, that's a long rant, and probably not appropriate here. Besides, he lived in England for a while, during Mad Cow time, and altho I didn't, they're apparently pretty close to eliminating people who _live_ with someone who was overseas during Mad Cow time, because of theoretical person to person transmission. They got my blood once. I wish I had overcome my fear of needles before that - I'm type O-. I'll definately be tossing in to the Red Cross donation pool this weekend - one of the local clubs has put up a can; all the DJs are donating half their pay for the week, the clubs are donating half their door and bar take. It's a generous community... even if some of them do think I'm a coward. :-/ I'm still tired. Getting enough sleep, but I don't think it's good sleep. My thoughts are with you all. Be well, and stay safe. -Kelly
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permalink #1357 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 13 Sep 01 10:53
permalink #1357 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 13 Sep 01 10:53
Kelly-your post made me unhide mine. I finally ended by erasing/editing almost everything I'd said regarding the issue, because people weren't reading the "a few"s and the "some"s and jumped down my throat for being a bigot towards, of all people, the British, although I *was* shocked at the nationality of some of the people trying to excuse Tuesday based on American foreign policy... (grin) Guess I'm just a rabble-rouser who has overly high expectations...
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permalink #1358 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 13 Sep 01 11:06
permalink #1358 of 2008: JaNell (goldennokomis) Thu 13 Sep 01 11:06
OK, just read Neil's blogger, and I have two questions... Didn't we already suspect there was some Neil cloning going on? And, if he's a superhero, where the hell was he on Tuesday?
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permalink #1359 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Thu 13 Sep 01 11:21
permalink #1359 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Thu 13 Sep 01 11:21
I keep waiting for that moment when I feel like I've been able to comprehend this, and it never comes. What kind of reality are we in when I hear that 5000 people are dead, and I don't know whether to feel gutwrenching pain or relief that it's not 10,000 or even 20,000? I felt both, at the same time, which is making me feel crazy and like... an inadequate vessel for my own experience. I just want to keep saying how much my whole heart is attending toward those who are suffering. All the time. Len: I work for the liver program at UCLA. Just for your peace of mind, I highly recommend that you go to your doctor to be tested for A, B, and C viruses. It may be that you've had a minimal exposure and have cleared the virus. In that case you would demonstrate core antibodies, which is why you tested positive, but not have an active virus. Good luck. Neil, Geoff's pictures were so powerful. I agree with Martha, and I hear it in the "voices" of those who are in NYC, DC--the terrible clarity of seeing it immediately in front of you. I'm struggling so deeply with my fears, with pain, with rage, with old darknesses triggered by new trauma... I'm having trouble moving forward. It's like the entire world has been overrun by that terrible dark cloud, and I'm stumbling around in it, trying to find a way out, trying to connect with everyone around me, trying just to figure out where I am... The sense of helplessness is excruciating. So that's what I'm trying to act positively against, now. I'm planning to write my Congress representatives--even if I can't say it well, I need to plea for sanity and for the innocents, for "these servants of the people" to counsel and lead with all the wisdom they can offer. I'm planning to organize a donation at work to one of the helping organizations. And I'm giving blood, as soon after today as they can get me in. It's such a long, dark shadow. I feel like all I can do is to put all my faith in the principle of: light a little candle. -P "Every person whose heart is moved by love and compassion, who deeply and sincerely acts for the benefit of others without concern for fame, profit, social position, or recognition expresses the activity of Chenrezig [the Bodhisattva of Compassion]." --Bokar Rinpoche
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permalink #1360 of 2008: that's two votes for gratuitous (lioness) Thu 13 Sep 01 12:50
permalink #1360 of 2008: that's two votes for gratuitous (lioness) Thu 13 Sep 01 12:50
Lenny said: > Martha, I think it's C. It's the noncontagious, benign one. > I don't have it now, but there are traces in the blood. Lenny, what Pamela said about getting tested, I echo. Hep C is contagious and not benign. However, with knowledge and good medical care and good self-care, a person can definitely improve their chances of doing well. (I have a family member with Hep C; a few of you here know that. She was doing amazingly well the last time I saw her, I'm glad to be able to report. But she, being a nurse, would probably tell you that It Would Be Smart to get more detailed tests and results, and more specific information about whether/how this affects your life now and in the future. That said,"gone but leaving traces in the blood" is much better than "active," and I hope everything is well with you, and that it is indeed one of the lesser Heps and gone besides. I like a lot of the things I've seen you write and think about, and ... I just want everybody to be OK right now, you know? (It is a wish that I suspect many share.) Kelly said: > I'm out on the blood donation thing because my husband is > bisexual. Item 6 or something, on the donation rules, promptly > rules me out. It annoys me; I understand that you can crunch > numbers and come up with high risk groups, but I also feel > it's unfair to write off an entire group of people and their > loved ones, simply because... well, that's a long rant, and > probably not appropriate here. I bet I know that rant too, though. *sigh* signed, bisexual Lioness who therefore is not allowed to donate blood and who is therefore looking at other helpful opportunities to be, well, helpful.... P.S. I'm thinking it's a very good time to put connecting with people as a higher priority than many other things, personally, and am busy looking at the nitty-gritty of how to do that in everyday life.
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permalink #1361 of 2008: that's two votes for gratuitous (lioness) Thu 13 Sep 01 12:53
permalink #1361 of 2008: that's two votes for gratuitous (lioness) Thu 13 Sep 01 12:53
Eep. Forgot to close the parentheses; sorry. Here: ) Also, Pamela, your post #1359 is very moving and is connecting with something deep within me, so I wanted to say thanks for writing it. So thanks for writing it. <small grin>
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permalink #1362 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 13 Sep 01 13:06
permalink #1362 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 13 Sep 01 13:06
E-mail from Dianna: Hello all, especially those of you who've arrived since i last wrote. Just wanted to let you know i'm thinking of you all and wishing you peace and safety. i haven't posted for a long time but have been reading here most days and enjoying your fine words and insights from my quiet corner of the world, somewhere south of Lady Miss Tree. The other night, my partner and i broke with tradition and switched the TV on (we hadn't done so for at least a week) and we saw it happen live, to our shock and disbelief. i phoned my Dad straight away (he was due to be in NY) and he was safe in Kansas City, but our family friends Luke and Lisa worked for Morgan Stanley in the WTC and i've not yet heard news of them. We are waiting and hoping^Ê Neil - The first thing my Dad asked me was, "Is Neil okay? ", which i thought very sweet, being that you are the only friend i have in the US, that he knows of. i hope your travel plans go smoothly. Take care. dianna
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permalink #1363 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Thu 13 Sep 01 13:27
permalink #1363 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Thu 13 Sep 01 13:27
<lioness>: You're most welcome. It was your post way back in that other reality that helped, again, to encourage me to be open and real. On the blood donor restrictions: I told the blood center the last time they called me for a donation that I had been in the UK in the past year, and they told me that it didn't matter. They said something like: well, it was less than a month. And I remember saying: well, yes, but I ate, drank and breathed there. They would have allowed me to donate anyway. So I think the whole thing is somewhat locally specific and random. From another perspective: In my work, I see people who have been devastated by receiving a life-threatening disease from a blood donation improperly tested, or infected with diseases, like Hep C, before there were tests available to detect them. So I have to be sympathetic for stringency. Neil et al: How's Emma? Poor Will must be so frustrated, on top of everything. Jinx: How's your mom?
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permalink #1364 of 2008: that's two votes for gratuitous (lioness) Thu 13 Sep 01 13:28
permalink #1364 of 2008: that's two votes for gratuitous (lioness) Thu 13 Sep 01 13:28
Hey, Tara, may I have permission to pass along your post #1308 to some folks who came to the candlelight vigil at church the other night? (I hang with a bunch of UU ecumenical/pagans these days.) I had printed out a copy of it to keep in my pocket and reread when it was helpful, which turned out to be several times that day, and I showed it to one of them, and then the rest crowded around, and several of them want copies and also want to know if they can send it to other people, etc. So I said I'd ask you for permission; I think one of them does a newsletter or something, and she would like to know about permission to quote it there, as well.
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permalink #1365 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Thu 13 Sep 01 14:05
permalink #1365 of 2008: Dan Guy (danfowlkes) Thu 13 Sep 01 14:05
Dear Neil, your latest journal entry gave me my first good laugh of the day. I only hope that I might one day be extended an invitation to join the Legion of Substitute Neils, should my writing career ever take off. Or is that even a prerequisite? Is there an application process or is one simply invited to join? I do a very good Neil-voice now, I think, so I could take over the reading tours; I'm getting lots of practice while reading your stories to Xander.
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permalink #1366 of 2008: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Thu 13 Sep 01 14:31
permalink #1366 of 2008: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Thu 13 Sep 01 14:31
lioness: I'm emailing you the slightly re-written version of #1308 from a toast in Callahan's, if that's okay? And yes, you absolutely have permission, and I'm touched and honoured that you have shared it with others to try and help.
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permalink #1367 of 2008: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Thu 13 Sep 01 14:43
permalink #1367 of 2008: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Thu 13 Sep 01 14:43
My brain is mushy today. For those of you going "What? What the heck is Callahan's?", I'm referring to a "virtual" bar in the form of a Usenet newsgroup (alt.callahans) based on Spider Robinson's short fiction and novels set in a bar in Suffolk Co., NY. The Place is an extraordinary community that I've been a part of off and on for almost 10 years now. Dan Guy: Regarding the Legion of Substitute Neils, how do you feel about plants. Do you like plants? Do plants like YOU? (okay, obscure DC Comics reference there...)
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permalink #1368 of 2008: JaNell, the very picture of confusion (goldennokomis) Thu 13 Sep 01 15:33
permalink #1368 of 2008: JaNell, the very picture of confusion (goldennokomis) Thu 13 Sep 01 15:33
Now I'm even more confused - which Neil have I been teasing all this time? Did the real Neil sign my book saying he doesn't mind my teasing? Or was it a Neil clone, and the real Neil really minds my teasing a whole lot, and the bad Neil clone is somewhere in the background laughing his ass off at me? Ow, my head is starting to hurt...
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permalink #1369 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Thu 13 Sep 01 16:59
permalink #1369 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Thu 13 Sep 01 16:59
Pamela: Will reports that Emma has one more doctor's appointment in the Cities tomorrow, and if nothing has changed abruptly (doesn't seem likely), she'll fly home on Sunday (and boy, will her arm be tired, ta-dum BOOM). Turns out that two of their LA friends were stuck here by the ground order, so she'll be sitting with them on the plane and getting a ride home with them as well.
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permalink #1370 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Thu 13 Sep 01 17:21
permalink #1370 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Thu 13 Sep 01 17:21
Mike: >she'll fly home on Sunday (and boy, will her arm be tired, ta-dum >BOOM). <snort!> That was good. Thanks.
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permalink #1371 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Thu 13 Sep 01 18:06
permalink #1371 of 2008: Kelly (kellyhills) Thu 13 Sep 01 18:06
Heh Lioness... I'm not sure 'glad' is the right word, but I certainly _appreciate_ that someone else feels my frustrations on that subject. I just found the restriction out recently, and am still dealing with it internally... it's a bit harder I don't really have the option to vent at close friends; if I said I couldn't give blood, I'd have to explain why, and that's dragging things they don't know about my mate into conversations, and ugh... big headache. (I'm ranting again, aren't I?) For those of us who forever reason cannot donate, here's another option: NYC Search and Rescue Dogs in Need SAR Dogs are in great need of supplies such as booties and VetWrap to protect their feet from the sharp rubble. Some now have only burlap, which can endanger their footing and slows the search. They also need of K9 eye/ear wash, and other first aid supplies. Booties need to be sizes medium (Aussies and BC) and large (Labs, GSD, Rotties). Vet Wrap can be in 4" or 2" widths. Send CLEARLY marked packages identified as: RESCUE DOG SUPPLIES to: New York City Offices c/o Search and Response 61 Chambers Street New York, N.Y. 10007 These supplies can be bought online at any of the dog supply catalogs as well as purchased at local pet shops and discount pet stores. JaNell... I was going to fall back out of conversations about the attacks today, after having to deal with being called a coward and other rather unnice things. Then I stopped and thought about it... and realized that I have just as much a right to my opinion as the people who disagree with me have to theirs. And, admittedly, I got a bit pissy when I realized I was giving in to others hostilities, and actually thinking about going away when someone told me my views weren't wanted. ...er, there I go ranting again. *guilty look* Tara... I envy you, for being part of Callahans. -Kelly, who's gonna hide from her keyboard, least she rant some more...
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permalink #1372 of 2008: Jinx (jinx) Thu 13 Sep 01 19:34
permalink #1372 of 2008: Jinx (jinx) Thu 13 Sep 01 19:34
Mom update~ She's outta surgery and recovery, with tubes up her nose and down her throat, an IV in her neck and one in her hand, missing 1/3rd of her remaining intestine (which wasn't much in the first place), drugged out of her mind on Morphine, and very lonely. I've been trying to bribe the nurses into letting me bring one of the cats in,.......no luck yet. They kicked my sister and I out at 8 tonight, and my mother has been calling about every half hour, the drugs have knockked out her short term memory, and frankly it's tearing me up. Jinx going on about 7 hours sleep in the last 72-ish hours
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permalink #1373 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Thu 13 Sep 01 20:45
permalink #1373 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Thu 13 Sep 01 20:45
Jinx -- I know you love your mother, and I'm sure you'd be as careful as possible, but please don't try to take a cat into a hospital. There are going to be other patients, some of whom will have sensitivities to begin with and impaired immune systems on top of that. To be perfectly honest, in your mother's condition, it would be no favor to her, even if cat dander is normally no problem. I'm sorry if I'm being scary, but I guess that's the point.
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permalink #1374 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 13 Sep 01 21:57
permalink #1374 of 2008: Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 13 Sep 01 21:57
Mike, I hope all goes well with Emma getting her flight. I'm watching them say on television that they want you to get to the airport two to two and a half hours before domestic flights; and that's not taking into account the inevitable delays....
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permalink #1375 of 2008: that's two votes for gratuitous (lioness) Thu 13 Sep 01 22:37
permalink #1375 of 2008: that's two votes for gratuitous (lioness) Thu 13 Sep 01 22:37
Tara, got the email about the post; thanks! (And I didn't know you hung out in the Place. I'm up in the rafters on occasion myself.) My Fairy Godmother from Toronto, the lovely and talented B.C. (whom Neil has met, at one of the Toronto signings), just emailed me to tell me that she won't be coming to Minneapolis tomorrow to visit me, because they cancelled her flight. She's going to see whether she can reschedule. I wonder whether the performers for the Minnesota Folk Festival this weekend will be able to get here. Such a week. So many things have changed for so many people in so short a time.
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