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Topic 116: New York Times Bestselling Author Neil Gaiman: _American Gods_
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New York Times Bestselling Author Neil Gaiman: _American Gods_
permalink #101 of 406: Kelly (kellyhills) Mon 9 Jul 01 18:45
permalink #101 of 406: Kelly (kellyhills) Mon 9 Jul 01 18:45
Hmm. Interesting point, Neil... but I know it answered "why mythology" quite satisfactorily for me, which was really what I cared about at the time. ;-) I guess it seemed that mythologies are just the stories we tell, and because they're timeless, we keep telling them... it's the same reason why mythologies are so similar, even when they are many cultures apart... and why there just aren't that many about giant crabs... I don't know. It made sense to me. I guess I should just be thankful for that... Yup. Food. -Kelly
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permalink #102 of 406: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 9 Jul 01 19:36
permalink #102 of 406: Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 9 Jul 01 19:36
Well, we are asking Neil questions about AG, and he is answering, yes? The author is not necessarily the best authority on what's going on in something he wrote. Even though Neil is very clever, and will do, I'm sure, the best he can. Writing is complicated! Neil, I liked the character of dead Laura quite a bit. And I liked that she was complicated, though loving, when she was alive. Can you talk a bit about writing a dead person?
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permalink #103 of 406: Mary Roane (the-roane) Mon 9 Jul 01 23:08
permalink #103 of 406: Mary Roane (the-roane) Mon 9 Jul 01 23:08
"Go," said Wednesday, his voice a reassuring growl. "All is well, and all is well, and all shall be well." --p. 192, AG Whom is Wednesday quoting, or is he making an allusion I'm not getting? Because all I could think of was Julian of Norwich ("All will be well, and all will be well, all manner of things will be well.") And it startled me rather a lot. Hope your jet lag is better! Mary
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permalink #104 of 406: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Tue 10 Jul 01 06:14
permalink #104 of 406: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Tue 10 Jul 01 06:14
Neil- now that you're over in the UK, doing massive group scribblings and such, are you starting to see how it's been received over there? I noticed that the reviewer in Entertainment Weekly did an awful job of either reviewing or understanding the book (but a wonderful job of completely giving away the ending; thank GOD I finished it before I read it), and I was curious... if you've seen UK reviews of the book, does the same problem exist? I mean, obviously, there are going to be reviewers who just Don't Get It, but is the fact that they're not American, and this is a very American book, affecting its reception? I was thinking it could go one of two ways; either they would understand it less, not knowing America so well, or they might get a better appreciation of the book, because their experience of America is largely what filters through the media... I only ask because, well, I know things like that can really affect understanding; slightly off topic, when reading Season of Mists, at the very end, when someone asks Lucifer if he's a 'pom', I thought Lucifer was being asked if he was gay. Didn't change it all that much, but when I finally learned what a pom was, it did change. It made me wonder if people from elsewhere are making strange assumptions to fill in blanks, and if they're getting it in the first place.
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permalink #105 of 406: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 10 Jul 01 09:26
permalink #105 of 406: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 10 Jul 01 09:26
Will, what "does* a "pom" mean? I thought Lucifer was being asked if he was gay, too.... Martha, I remember a great story about Flannery O'Conner: she was speaking at a college and was asked by one of the students there what the significance was of a yellow hat in one of her stories. It seemed that there had been a debate raging about what the symbolism of that hat meant and the student was hoping that she could settle the matter. Ms. O'Conner replied, "Well, she's just wearing a hat. That's all." Neil - *grinning* I rather feel like a mouse being bapped about by a cat that isn't really hungry but likes to see small furry things dance about. Yes, the "aha" was pretty cool when I realized what the frame story of Murder Mysteries was about (although it did give me the willies since I had up to that point seen the Brit in America as *you*). I don't need to know exactly who or what Shadow is... and I'll assume that the final scene with Sam *is* "something terribly important" and will make more sense when I read it again.
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permalink #106 of 406: Jesse (erynn-miles) Tue 10 Jul 01 09:59
permalink #106 of 406: Jesse (erynn-miles) Tue 10 Jul 01 09:59
Neil-thank you...?
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permalink #107 of 406: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 10 Jul 01 10:15
permalink #107 of 406: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Tue 10 Jul 01 10:15
Martha -- well, a lot of the time an author knows quite well what he or she was doing. But I think on the whole readers should earn answers from the text, rather than from asking the author. Especially if the answers are there, and, more or less, clear. As with Murder Mysteries -- it's a much more enjoyable reading experience if you figure it out for yourself. If you were told it all up front it would barely be an intellectual exercise. kelly -- I think the answer to WHY mythology is because it's a swiss army knife: it's a tool that can do a lot of things, and one I know how to use to do those things. I'm not sure there's any real answer to why I know how to use it, though. Mary -- why would the Julius of Norwich thing surprise you? Martha -- well, I wanted to make Laura work as a character, because I liked her. She came from a dream, in which my wife (who was not my wife) was dead, kind of vampiric person who was still following me around. I lost the vampire edge to her when I wrote her. I liked the fact they were still a married couple, although separated, and with allt he strange compromises of a married couple. And I liked the terrible honesty of a dead person. Will -- I'll tell you when the UK reviews start coming out. Dan -- a pom is a person from the UK, to an australian. I had one of those Flannery O Connor moments on stage at UCSB when a lady asked me about the Sandman's Helm, and I explained it to her, and I had obviously not just demolished her thesis but disappointed her utterly. Jesse -- you're welcome. JaNell -- not quite sure why you hid your latest. Nor why you view it as a defeat. You're just lucky you never had cause to ask questions about Sandman.
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permalink #108 of 406: Gail Williams (gail) Tue 10 Jul 01 10:23
permalink #108 of 406: Gail Williams (gail) Tue 10 Jul 01 10:23
I read a silly review on the Southwest Airlines inflight magazine. No meat to it, just annoying niggling. But I sure was interested to see it published there. Do you collect all the odd reveiws from unexpected publications, or try to?
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permalink #109 of 406: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 10 Jul 01 10:46
permalink #109 of 406: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Tue 10 Jul 01 10:46
Neil - Terrible honesty is right. there were a few points where I literally winced at the stuff that Laura was telling Shadow.. and then followed with a "oh, I'm sorry, did that hurt you? I forget sometimes." Here's a question. The first play I wrote I ended up directing as well. As I went through the rehearsal process, several times I discovered that I had written things that I hadn't realized I had written. Not so much that I forgot I added a character, or anything that obvious, but that I was making statements, or that I had written a subtext or a motivation or intention into a character that I hadn't been aware of. Granted, my writing tends to be of the "first draft and then check for obvious mistakes and grammatical issues" variety (although my most recent play has gone through a fairly exhaustive rewriting of the last act), but I was wondering if you've made similar discoveries when going over your own work after you've had some time to get distance from it. If so, do any "oh my, did I write THAT?" memories come to mind?
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permalink #110 of 406: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Tue 10 Jul 01 11:11
permalink #110 of 406: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Tue 10 Jul 01 11:11
Neil- fair enough; I figured they'd be out already. Just what are they waiting for, anyway? <grin> And I hope things are well, with you, and you're not too jet-lagged, and your hand doesn't hurt too badly, and that you find good sushi. Basically, general goodly wishes all around.
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permalink #111 of 406: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 10 Jul 01 11:21
permalink #111 of 406: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 10 Jul 01 11:21
Book hangover. Finished _AG_ last night and had wild, restless dreams, like those storms that are blowing over so fast that theyre just a roil of atmosphere streaming above your head too violently to touch down. Got up this morning and walked into the office to write a Bob Dylan line over an old artwork for no reason that I could discern for a while: You could be known as the most beautiful woman who ever crawled across cut glass to make a deal. Found myself standing dumbly in front of my closet, realizing that I had just spent the past two minutes or so spacing all my clothes hangers exactly one thumb-distance apart and thinking: But Odin was such a nice old grandpa. Which is nuts. This book pissed me off. Im feeling raw: laid out, opened up and rearranged, like Anubis didnt put things back in quite the same place they were before. The geographys been rearranged in there to include Rock City. Very nice, Mr. Gaiman. Now kindly put that back the way you found it. Bravo. You got me.
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permalink #112 of 406: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 10 Jul 01 11:21
permalink #112 of 406: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 10 Jul 01 11:21
There's a bit in one of the Words Conference banners. I can't remember which poet, possibly Robert Browning. He was asked in some public setting what a line in one of his poems meant. Frowned a bit, thought, and said, "When I wrote that, God and I knew what it meant. Now only God does." But I do think Neil is cleverer about his own work than a lot of writers are. And also that you don't turn to the answer of the crossword puzzle unless you really, really need to. Oh, hi, Neil. American Gods is the longest thing you've written besides Sandman; but Sandman was a serial, which is a different kind of thing to write. What's different about writing a book that long, from writing a story the length of Neverwhere or Stardust?
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permalink #113 of 406: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 10 Jul 01 11:22
permalink #113 of 406: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 10 Jul 01 11:22
Slipped by the previous post, which was a very nice one.
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permalink #114 of 406: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 10 Jul 01 12:05
permalink #114 of 406: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Tue 10 Jul 01 12:05
Thanks, Martha, if that was directed at me. I consider it praise indeed, from you. Thanks also for that great quote by Browning. It's so terrific I think I'll go hunting to make sure the attribution is correct, if you wouldn't mind pointing me in the general direction of the critter that is a "Words Conference banner." I want to put it into my quote box right next to the fabulous one Neil just gave us: "Ive never felt that answers were the real province of the writer; better questions, on the other hand, certainly are."
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permalink #115 of 406: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 10 Jul 01 12:43
permalink #115 of 406: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 10 Jul 01 12:43
Yes, Pamela; I think that's the kind of response any writer would be pleased to get. The Well Words conference has an opening banner that changes every time you enter the conference, through some complex programming the other conferences don't use. It has hundreds of opening banners. But I was the one who submitted that quote, and I might be able to find the book I got it from. Or not.
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permalink #116 of 406: -N. (streak) Tue 10 Jul 01 20:19
permalink #116 of 406: -N. (streak) Tue 10 Jul 01 20:19
Er, Martha, the banners appear when you're in via telnet. Engaged users cannot see them. I would suspect Ms. Basham is in the latter category.
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permalink #117 of 406: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 10 Jul 01 21:32
permalink #117 of 406: Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 10 Jul 01 21:32
Oh, yes, I should have mentioned that. You can however see the banners via some Engaged command or link I don't remember, though, I think.
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permalink #118 of 406: Mary Roane (the-roane) Tue 10 Jul 01 23:38
permalink #118 of 406: Mary Roane (the-roane) Tue 10 Jul 01 23:38
Neil--Because I did not expect to see a visionary of the Christian church quoted in a book that I thought was avoiding the whole Judeo-Christian thing. Don't get me wrong--I was thrilled; just surprised. Which leads me to another weird question--how do you feel about so many reviewers comparing Shadow to Christ? I thought you made it painfully clear that Shadow was- "like father, like son"- hung on the Tree because Odin was, long before Christ. Yet many reviewers seem to think you put that scene in to draw a parallel. I suppose it illustrates the point beautifully, doesn't it? Christianity stole so many things lock, stock & altar from a lot of earlier religions. Speaking of which, thanks for mentioning Mithras. I hadn't seen him since grad school...:-) Mary (Who hopes this makes sense, at this hour of the night...)
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permalink #119 of 406: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 10 Jul 01 23:39
permalink #119 of 406: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 10 Jul 01 23:39
Well, let me go run off and find out. And, BTW, g crafts has a revolving banner also, courtesy of my co-host <foggy> and also <bryan>, one of the WELL's resident programming geniuses. Pamela - that's a great post! And now a question for Neil: up there a ways you said, "And I liked the terrible honesty of a dead person" in reference to Laura. Which made me wonder whether you thought that dead people would be honest as a matter of course, when really, it seems to me, that they might just as well be lying, since they have nothing to lose.
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permalink #120 of 406: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 10 Jul 01 23:40
permalink #120 of 406: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 10 Jul 01 23:40
Mary slipped. I was responding to Martha about Web-browser-based users being able to see banners, somehow.
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permalink #121 of 406: Rani (rani) Wed 11 Jul 01 07:29
permalink #121 of 406: Rani (rani) Wed 11 Jul 01 07:29
Neil -- I just finished AM and I loved it. It basically had my mind spinning in about a hundred different directions and I have a million questions to ask and even more things to ponder. But the one question that has been nagging me is: Who was the guy in the back of Shadow's car? (Or was it the side?) The guy who he kept forgetting his name or what he said. Argh! It's driving me crazy! I need to know! It was a lovely and perfect book, btw. I enjoyed it terribly.
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permalink #122 of 406: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Jul 01 09:42
permalink #122 of 406: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Jul 01 09:42
E-mail from Charles Quixote Choi: Hi Neil, You've expressed a fondness for G.K. Chesterton before, and even based a Sandman character off him, i.e. Fiddler's Green. When you named one of AG's characters Wednesday -- while the name was a reference to Woden's Day, was it also in part an homage to the Chesterton book, "The Man Who Was Thursday" by any chance? Loved the book, btw. ===== I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. -- Sarah Williams, "The Old Astronomer To His Pupil."
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permalink #123 of 406: JaNell (janell) Wed 11 Jul 01 09:54
permalink #123 of 406: JaNell (janell) Wed 11 Jul 01 09:54
Linda - maybe Neil was referring to Laura's ability to be emotionally removed from what she was saying, and therefore didn't need to sugar coat it... Laura seemed to me to be somewhat manipulative (and therefore dishonest, in my eyes) in life. Martha - I don't ever look at the crossword puzzle answers. But sometimes I do trade it back and forth with someone else if I get stuck. Once again, I'm glad that you asked a question that you did, about the serial. I think that AG could easily have been a few hundred pages longer, and would have divided nicely into two or three books, and I'd have been willing to wait for them. Of course, the whole promotional build-up probably wouldn't have worked, though... and maybe Neil would have gotten tired of the whole thing by the end. Mary Roane - Christianity *is* the unofficial religion in America, plus, the comparison makes for a good sound-bite (or 'pull', I guess) in a review.
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permalink #124 of 406: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Jul 01 10:08
permalink #124 of 406: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Jul 01 10:08
BTW, the programming genius himself, <bryan>, says that there is no way that he knows of to see the banners via the Web interface.
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permalink #125 of 406: Maggie (missy-sedai) Wed 11 Jul 01 10:43
permalink #125 of 406: Maggie (missy-sedai) Wed 11 Jul 01 10:43
Mmm...good question from Linda! I got the impression that Laura was a little confused in her non-living state - her comment about it being like looking at a photo-album and not knowing what she had felt and what she had only observed (or something along those lines, the spouse has absconded with my book!!) made me feel really sorry for her. Wouldn't her brutal honesty be a function of that confusion? Or perhaps loss of perception would be better than calling it confusion? She seemed genuinely remorseful for hurting Shadow, and certainly went above and beyond to make it up to him. "So she showed him" still sends chills down my spine. I like her, she's no-nonsense. I'm still baffled by the "forgettable" guy, too. Can you give a clue, please? A little one that sends me on a long web hunt and gives me an excuse to put off the laundry a little longer would be very much appreciated! <*grin*>
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