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Topic 125: The Barking Mad Gaiman Mob: Who are these people and why won't they go away?
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The Barking Mad Gaiman Mob: Who are these people and why won't they go away?
permalink #1876 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 8 Mar 02 09:29
permalink #1876 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 8 Mar 02 09:29
Erynn - you're not allowed to be self-denigrating. that's Martha's job. when she stops doing it, then there'll be an opening and you can negate yourself all you want. Squeaks - afn-g Tuesday mode? I know what afn-g is... I know what Tuesday is. but how do they fit together? In short... HUH? got my Harlequin Valentine yesterday. I like it... I like it quite a bit, actually...
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permalink #1877 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Fri 8 Mar 02 21:13
permalink #1877 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Fri 8 Mar 02 21:13
annie: I might have neglected the house brownies a bit. Will get right on it. [...] There. That might help. squeaks: well, not sushi... more like some little odd things. Not as odd as i'd have liked, but they'll have to do. More cannot be said at the moment, although they're not nearly as interesting as all this mystery is making them sound. I hope to go back soon. I bet I'll find more (good) mysterious stuff then.
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permalink #1878 of 2008: Linda stole my pseud... (erynn-miles) Fri 8 Mar 02 23:10
permalink #1878 of 2008: Linda stole my pseud... (erynn-miles) Fri 8 Mar 02 23:10
It's spring! No. Wait. I'm not sure. It was 75 degrees today, but it's supposed to be 30 again by Sunday. Neil- Thanks. I'll try to find that book. I'm trying hard not to obsess, but I'm paranoid about looking unprofessional, which, of course I am...but I don't want anyone else to know that. John-Mike- hahaha! That was great! Danguy- Good luck with everything:) Danw- I think that I have a right to more than Martha does. She has, after all, won awards and stuff. I, on the other hand, have the writing skills of a second-grader. Okay I'll stop. Jouni- My nephew used to speak in some language I didn't understand. Now that he speaks more clearly, he's come down with Broken Record Syndrome; he just repeats the same sentence over and over again, as if you didn't understand him the first time.
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permalink #1879 of 2008: a pig-full of quarters (miss-mousey) Sat 9 Mar 02 00:35
permalink #1879 of 2008: a pig-full of quarters (miss-mousey) Sat 9 Mar 02 00:35
DanGuy - You're trying to be a Neil completionist? Eep! I'm having a hard enough time just keeping up with the Stardust stuff. Speaking of which... Neil - Who's the publisher of the Israeli edition of Stardust and how do I get hold of them? I believe it's now the only version I'm missing (er, of the novel... I've still got to track down a mobile and a magnet set somewhere). Annie - green & yellow, eh? I'll consult a certain boy-person who may have to look at me often - if he doesn't totally cringe, then I think it will be fun. Well, maybe not under the black light - then it would just be something I'd make fun of. ;) DanW - a former .sig of one of the posters: 'Welcome to afn-g, where the women are sexy, the men are lovely, and on Tuesdays they're interchangeable!' Make of this note as you will. Linda - but it's such a cute pseud! :o) squeaks, off to beddie bye now.
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permalink #1880 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Sat 9 Mar 02 00:45
permalink #1880 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Sat 9 Mar 02 00:45
Neil--congratulations on finishing the recording. I can't wait to hear it! Erynn--listen to this man. He's dead on the money about style. If you listen to all the rules, you'll write boring glop. Like acting, the point of having technique is to forget it. Linda--brilliant psued! Mr. Ford is ultimately psued-able, is he not? Mike--you make me laugh immoderately. Every time. OK, last weekend it snowed *all* weekend. Now it's 60 & we're having thunderstorms. This weather is on crack. Mary (*adoring* Soldier of the Mist)
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permalink #1881 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 9 Mar 02 11:39
permalink #1881 of 2008: Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 9 Mar 02 11:39
michelle -- Charles still has the magnets for sale I think. Or Graphitti does. I'll hunt for info on the Israeli Stardust publisher when I get home again (off into hiding to finish some stuff). Erynn -- don't worry about looking unprofessional. Worry about writing great fiction. It's the same amount of worry expended, but in a more useful direction. Mary -- Soldier of Arete is just as good. When you see Gene at World Horror tell him how much the world needs a third Latro book. Lioness -- did I ever tell you my conviction that Harpo was also Harpocrates, the silent, instrument-wielding, girl-chasing god? I could never figure out why they missed Grouchocrates and Chicocrates to make the set.
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permalink #1882 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Sat 9 Mar 02 11:48
permalink #1882 of 2008: John M. Ford (johnmford) Sat 9 Mar 02 11:48
Neil -- and, of course, Zeppostrate, Assistant Manager of Mirth. Gummolochus is said to figure in a couple of lost works of Aristophanes ("A Night at the Agora" and "The Cloud-Cuckoo-Nuts") but I've always suspected that some of those lost manuscripts were the result of bathhouse conversation and promises made to publishers -- the best example being Plautus's "Answered Invocations." But as usual, I digress.
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permalink #1883 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Sat 9 Mar 02 21:16
permalink #1883 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Sat 9 Mar 02 21:16
Mr. Gaiman, Mr. Ford--you are both splendidly, unendingly, barking mad. I'd write more, but I'm still laughing too hard. Harpocrates, indeed. You should *be* convicted for that one.
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permalink #1884 of 2008: a pig-full of quarters (miss-mousey) Sat 9 Mar 02 23:25
permalink #1884 of 2008: a pig-full of quarters (miss-mousey) Sat 9 Mar 02 23:25
Neil - Yes, the magnets are still up at GreenMan... along with one other item I had conveniently put out of my mind because I was too broke to get it back then... and I still am, but I'm getting it anyway. (grumbles unintelligibly about picking the wrong thing to go all completeist on) Mary - Yesterday it was sunny and freezing at work. Today started out around 70 and all sunny and happy and tourists were everywhere, and then when I walked out the door tonight to close the shop it was nearly icy, very rainy, and miserable cold (and BART was full of the most bizarrely dressed homeless person I think I've ever seen). squeaks, who is considering renting Marx Bros. flicks as it's still half an hour before the Blockbuster across the street closes.
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permalink #1885 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Sun 10 Mar 02 00:33
permalink #1885 of 2008: she looks like evening (kellyhills) Sun 10 Mar 02 00:33
Erynn,... everyone here speaks English, but everyone speaks it in a slightly different way. Similarly, everyone here writes in a slightly different way. If we all crossed our i's and dotted our t's in the precise manner as everyone else, words would quickly become boring, regardless of the content of what was being written. You're creating, which means you're an artist, which means you have artistic license. Do what feels right, not what someone else says is right. Besides, if everyone wrote the same, I wouldn't be able to skim thru posts and notice who was speaking/typing when,... :-) (Oh, hi. I still live. I just had The Week From Hell. I'll put it up against anyone elses Week From Hell and have decent faith in coming out the "winner",... er, as much as anyone can be a winner in that sort of competition. But, one highlight of the week - I'm taking a class on freelance writing for newspapers, an eMail telecourse sort of thing, and it's working out quite well so far. The goal is to have something published by the end of the class (6 weeks from now). Should be interesting. And of course I'm tickled pink, because the instructor likes what I've submitted so far, heh...) -Kelly
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permalink #1886 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Sun 10 Mar 02 10:14
permalink #1886 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Sun 10 Mar 02 10:14
Everyone, thanks for your comments on Rusalka. She's doing much better. Her fins look exponentially better, the white moss cobwebby stuff is all but gone, she's eating again, and swimming a lot. Unfortunately, the other fish (Booteelka) looks mostly dead. She's one of the new ones who may have brought in the problem. She's also very little, so what Rusalka was big enough to survive, Booteelka may not. Terri O'Leary, your suggestion about the drops worked wonderfully. I thank you very much for it. Neil, I'm sorry about your goldfish. Mike, Heck is a word seldom used in my vocabulary, whereas fuck or a variation thereof makes an appearance at least a few times a week. So, to me, phrases using heck are extremely funny. It's so off-kilter and absurdly defiant to yell "the heck with you!"
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permalink #1887 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Sun 10 Mar 02 12:29
permalink #1887 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Sun 10 Mar 02 12:29
More beams for Rusalka. Maure, would you tell us about these names, please?
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permalink #1888 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Sun 10 Mar 02 16:20
permalink #1888 of 2008: Maure Luke (maureluke) Sun 10 Mar 02 16:20
Linda, they're the english phoentic spellings of russian words. I'm not sure how "They" would spell the words using a latin-based alphabet, but that's how the words sound. I've seen both Rusalka and Vodyanoi spelled that way. They are both general names for folk-tale creatures that live in the water. A rusalka is sort of a mermaid. A vodyanoi is a sort of evil grandfather-looking-type who drowns people when they disturb him from the depths. Booteelka means "bottle." Boo, who just died, actually, looked like a two-liter soda bottle to me, hence the name. Yeh americahnka, but I learned some rudimentary russian while working with russian children who'd been transplanted in the American Midwest. It's such a neat language, sort of feral and heavy and lovely all at once. I let the children teach me for a few minutes a day because they get such a kick out of it.
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permalink #1889 of 2008: Annie the harpy (ancillafelium) Sun 10 Mar 02 17:34
permalink #1889 of 2008: Annie the harpy (ancillafelium) Sun 10 Mar 02 17:34
Whee, what little Russian folk/fairy tales i've seen, I have to say I adore. They're just neat. Rusalkas are actually a little scarier than mermaids, at least in the definitions I've been given. They're actually the spirits of drowned maidens, usually ones who were betrayed by a lover, and they haunt the spots where they were drowned, luring any man who comes near to his death. They're also, i think, usually connected somehow to a tree near the spot? but i could be entirely wrong there and merely be thinking of C. J. Cherryh's version in her "Rusalka" trilogy. Neat series if you haven't read it. My personal favorite of the Russian folklore figure has to be the domovoi, the "house thing." Kind of like house brownies, but bigger.
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permalink #1890 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Sun 10 Mar 02 17:37
permalink #1890 of 2008: Erynn Miles (erynn-miles) Sun 10 Mar 02 17:37
Thanks everyone. I certainly don't want to write like everyone else, I just don't want to use bad grammar. Maure- I'm glad Rusalka is doing better. Last night we saw a comedian/hypnotist J Medicine Hat. It was the most surreal performance I have seen in a long time...if ever. I thought it was going to be staged--that the participants would be planted or something. It wasn't. It was all volunteers (whoever got to the stage first, was in) and he did all of the hypnosis and talking in front of the audience. They genuinely fell asleep. Then, I watched for the next hour as he made them do embarassing, raunchy things in front of us, turning the girls into lesbians, making the guys dance and take off their shirts and moon the audience, simulate sex with blow-up dolls. I was still skeptical until J, while talking to the audience, found that one of the girl's, who he had given spontaneous orgasms by merely touching her on the wrist, father was in the audience, and not very happy. After the show, outside the theater, in the bathrooms and whatnot, I ran into some of the participants. The were still in a daze as their friends tried to explain what all they had done. They were genuinely confused. They weren't acting. I've never seen anything like this, live anyway. I don't understand how you can just tell someone to do something, and then they do it. Is the mind really that easy to manipulate? Most of the show, I didn't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for the people. I will study this hypnosis thing further. It's all very intriguing, however it works.
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permalink #1891 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Sun 10 Mar 02 18:54
permalink #1891 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Sun 10 Mar 02 18:54
There used to be a night club on Sunset Strip run by Pat Collins, the Hip Hynotist, who did these shows every night. My aunt and uncle took me for my 21st birthday. I was too uptight to allow myself to go under, out of fear about everything I'd heard that they would make you do.
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permalink #1892 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Sun 10 Mar 02 20:43
permalink #1892 of 2008: Bill^2 (billbill) Sun 10 Mar 02 20:43
We had a hypnotist at the Senior All-Night Party after my high school graduation. He had one of the girls he put under go stiff as a board -- and demonstrated by having two of us pick her up and lay her out flat, with her heels on one chair and her head on another. Her bottom never even dipped. I'll see if I can track down some of the pictures, it was pretty phenomenal. I'm even in the pictures, I was assisting. The funniest bit was when he told our class president that when he woke up, he would feel the almost uncontrollable urge to urinate, but that he would make it to the bathroom if he ran. However, when he got there, he would discover that he lacked the, um, equipment necessary to complete the task.
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permalink #1893 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Sun 10 Mar 02 21:40
permalink #1893 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Sun 10 Mar 02 21:40
My friend Henry is a hypnotist. I've let him put me under a couple of times, mostly to stop smoking (this was about 13 years ago). I didn't quit, but I didn't want one nearly as bad, and they did taste horrible. I was just too hooked at the time to quit. Once I let him put me under at a party & tell me that Julie, my roommate, was not in the room. She was, but I could not see her. When I would look at where I knew she was sitting, everything would go out of focus. Very strange. It generally requires that you trust the person hypnotizing you. A lot, if you're a control freak like me. Personally, having people do sexual things they would not normally do seems a little creepy to me, but they volunteered. Am I the only person who wonders why it's OK for the girls to be encouraged to think that they're gay, but not the boys? (I'm making an assumption here, but I'll bet they weren't.) Americans have the most bizarre ideas about sex. Maure-- I love the story of the Rusalka, and I'm glad to hear their namesake is doing so much better. I'm sorry about the other fish, though. I'm going to have to get a larger aquarium, and I was thinking about getting a couple more goldfish. I will definitely quarantine any new fishies I bring home. And is it just me, or is the combo of women and water just bad news for men? Rusalka, Roane, Sirens--there seems to be a common theme here ;-) Neil--sorry about your fish. How many do you have? I'm in the middle of a Jackie Chan phase at the moment, and my friend Debbie (who got a job! Hooray!!) was asking me about my comics, so I dug into the boxes that haven't really been opened in 10 years, and drug out Dark Knight Returns, which I reread today, and Longbow Hunters, and Elektra Assassin, and scattershot issues of Hellblazer (Dangerous Habits, anyone?), so it's all death and mayhem here. Wheee! Mary (who doesn't care that that was a run-on sentence, 'cause sometimes you neeeed them, and is off to watch Legend of the Drunken Master)
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permalink #1894 of 2008: popping in (jenifer-paige) Mon 11 Mar 02 19:03
permalink #1894 of 2008: popping in (jenifer-paige) Mon 11 Mar 02 19:03
Hi, I was wondering, since publishersweekly.com says that the first volume of The Sandman now comes with a CD-ROM that previews 100 books from DC's backlist, if anyone has any additional info, or knows if the CD-ROM is cool, or if it's just a list of books. My little wanna-be completionist hands are itching, but did the price go up? Thanks all!
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permalink #1895 of 2008: Terri (xmorpheus) Tue 12 Mar 02 02:27
permalink #1895 of 2008: Terri (xmorpheus) Tue 12 Mar 02 02:27
Maure - really glad to hear it worked. Just some advice - if you get any more fish, particularly from a pet shop, put them in "quarantine" for a week or so after you get them before introducing them to the main tank - it can be a bit of a hassle, but it is worth it - a small fishbowl will do since it's only for a week. All my fish are called Borgle and Rantipole - so we're now on Borgle III and Rantipole II - Borgle II was an evil fish. He used to float on top of the tank pretending to be dead, but if you tapped on the side of the tank and said "BAD fish" he started swimming. I know this sounds surreal but it's true and I can produce independent witnesses! :) Oh and just on the profanity thing - I don't know if you've read any Terry Pratchett but that's covered in one of his books. Due to a build up of magic, profanities were turning into rather nasty insects which led to "the most genteel battle cry in history - "DARN THEM ALL TO HECK"" I'd actually forgotten about it, but I'm now getting funny looks because I'm sitting here giggling away to myself - you'd think they'd be used to it by now... ;) Neil - sorry to hear about your fish :( Erynn - Where is your work published? I'd love to read some. I don't really write, but I read a lot - and whilst I do like reasonably good English, if I'm really enthralled by a story, proofreading and grammar checking are the last things on my mind. Also, I'm probably being naive, but isn't that what editors do? Dan-Guy - do you have any URLs for your friend's comic book stores. I find it very difficult to get some Vertigo titles here in Ireland and I haven't yet settled on a net supplier, so if you can recommend someone that would be great. Everyone - Hi, I'm Terri, nice to be here, if I do bad things, tell me! :)
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permalink #1896 of 2008: Daniel (dfowlkes) Tue 12 Mar 02 05:38
permalink #1896 of 2008: Daniel (dfowlkes) Tue 12 Mar 02 05:38
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permalink #1897 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 12 Mar 02 10:06
permalink #1897 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Tue 12 Mar 02 10:06
E-mail from Lady Miss Tree: Jouni--I have a two year old second cousin who speaks fluent Scribble. It doesn't worry him in the slightest that we don't understand, he reckons we'll figure it out soon. Maure--It is important that pets have appropriately fabulous names. My last goldfish was called Pfang the Wonder Pfish (the 'p's are pronounced explosively and you probably don't want to stand close too me when I talk about him.) I think the name allowed him to rise to the occasion. In Praise Of Mr Gaiman (In Which Our Heroine, the Lady Miss Tree, Attempts To Demonstrate The Subtle & Appropriate Usage Of The Word 'Bugger'.) When I first heard rumours that Neil was going to collect all his introductions, afterwords, lyrics, pomes and other sundries into a book, I took one look at my Neilabelia collection and said to myself, "Bugger." (Not "Bugger" in the sense of "I'm in a bar in Knoxville and I've just hit that billiard ball perfectly except for the small matter of it not potting anything for me" bugger but in sense of "I've made it a point to find anything Neil's written because, dammit, he's a good writer and by buying all this stuff I usually get put onto other really good writers and now that it's all in one book all those other girly swots like me will just buy this and not read the really good stuff he's introducing" bugger. I hope I make myself clear on this point.) But then I received my copy of 'Adventures in the Dream Trade' (via the kind assistance of a number of wonderful thingies), signed by the author (complete with scary eyes) and I began to read it. And I didn't put it down until it was waaaaaaaaaaaaay past my bedtime. I had a big grin on my face, for a number of reasons. One of which is that Mr Ford is a very funny bugger indeed. Another being that Neil IS a damned good writer who knows a bunch of other damned good writers and you should go read them all anyway even if you have a copy of 'AitDT' or you're all silly buggers. Another being page 231. Well, bugger me. [grin] Tree Who keeps showing that page to anyone who will stand still long enough and keeps making squeaking noises and giggling like a loon.
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permalink #1898 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 12 Mar 02 13:15
permalink #1898 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 12 Mar 02 13:15
Tree, it's such a joy to read that, and nowI have a silly grin too. There is something inexpressibly good about the feeling one gets when one sees someone else enjoying some art that one already loves. It's... it's one of the forms of the anti-jealousy, I think. "You're all silly buggers" would make a nice addition to the Absolutely Barking Mad t-shirt collection, maybe. Neil: Harpocrates makes perfect sense, while at the same time the concept makes me want to giggle like Lady Miss Tree doing her happy loon impression. It's so right it's ridiculous. (Chicocrates is an idea I find a bit disconcerting, though that's probably just me.) There should be a phrase for things that are so ridiculous that they are obviously perfectly right. Maure, I'm glad your esteemed piscine companion is on the mend. I'm prepping for various conventions, so am wandering around the house draped in strands of beads and muttering like a madwoman, but I did go out to one of the stores carrying my stuff, a bit ago today. (Blue Moon Gallery in Minneapolis; they've got some of the fancy stuff, like the sterling silver and the gold filled things; Amy Kristine's in Minneapolis has the non-precious earrings, the little czech glass flower bead earrings, and that line. It is a great relief to actually have places besides shows where I can send people when they ask.) Anyhow, we wound up having way too much fun talking, the co-owner and I, so I'm behind schedule, but it's nice to know that the people handling the business end of one's art are congenial folks, I always think. But now I must go upstairs and slave over a cold bead board again. Oh! And the pixies and the trolls and house brownies have apparently formed a coalition, and they have returned Neil's trinkets, so that's all right, then.
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permalink #1899 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 12 Mar 02 13:20
permalink #1899 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 12 Mar 02 13:20
And Terri: *all* the fish having the same two names? What kind of fish are these, again? I knew somebody with a tank full of oscars that were all named Floyd. Big Floyd, who was about hand-sized, had been corrupted due to an unfortunate incident with a bottle of hash oil that had been thoughtlessly left on a shelf above the tank, and ever since then he had cultivated the habit of swimming either horizontally or on a slight diagonal, slowly and rather meditatively. Hadn't seemed to affect him other than that, although he did develop a bizarre fish trick: if you got near the tank and looked in through the side at him and then opened your mouth really wide, he would make like he was trying to swim into it, and bump his nose on the glass.
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permalink #1900 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 12 Mar 02 15:24
permalink #1900 of 2008: double-axled haywains and Harpo Marx going honk-honk (lioness) Tue 12 Mar 02 15:24
(eek. third post from me in a row. uh-oh!) I just found this URL for an article at the Ephemera Society of America website on the history of goldfish images in advertisements and related ephemera, or something like that. The writer runs a bookstore specializing in "fish-based literature", so of course I thought of Maure and all the other fish-fanciers here. The article is at: http://www.ephemerasociety.org/article-finley.html
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