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Topic 133: Peter Ludlow: Crypto Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias
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Peter Ludlow: Crypto Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias
permalink #101 of 106: Kirsten Bayes (kirsten-bayes) Sat 29 Dec 01 16:02
permalink #101 of 106: Kirsten Bayes (kirsten-bayes) Sat 29 Dec 01 16:02
I think the BBC and The Well are both tips of the same iceberg, the "media-sphere", hence same stuff, same time. Which started me thinking about a comment that was once made about the IRA, which is that terrorist organisations are fishes in water. In other words to exist, a terrorist organisation has to be part of and supported by a broader, legitimate community. Reflecting on al Qaeda, they too are part of a global, virtual community: the Islamist movement, many of whose members are scholars and thinkers. I wonder whether rogue cyberstates have to have this broader base of legitimate supporters, at the very least to provide a population on which the hard core can safely draw for recruits?
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Peter Ludlow: Crypto Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias
permalink #102 of 106: democracy being a left thing, anyway (ludlow) Tue 1 Jan 02 19:57
permalink #102 of 106: democracy being a left thing, anyway (ludlow) Tue 1 Jan 02 19:57
Yah, no question. But this is natural, given that every citizen of a cyberstate, no matter how underground, also has to be a denizen of a terresital nation state. But maybe the question is whether the cyberstate needs some sort of legit intellectual vanguard. I'm not sure whether they need it, but they obviously have it.
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Peter Ludlow: Crypto Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias
permalink #103 of 106: democracy being a left thing, anyway (ludlow) Sun 6 Jan 02 11:37
permalink #103 of 106: democracy being a left thing, anyway (ludlow) Sun 6 Jan 02 11:37
O.K,, so I guess that radio interview is supposed to play tomorrow morning on NPR. Lew Koch (who interviewed me) said that they tried to kill it and he had to kick and fight to get 10 minutes of it aired. It would have been the first time in 40 years that he had a story killed. I'm not sure if all this is because of the content (crypto anarchy and whatnot) or the fact that I'm not very good at soundbites. Or maybe the content was too subtle to allow soundbites. Or maybe I'm just really damn boring on the radio (the last interview I did was sampled by a trance group for a song called "yes, I'm listening". Anyway, it's supposed to be on Monday morning if they don't spike it again between now and then.
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Peter Ludlow: Crypto Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias
permalink #104 of 106: Kirsten Bayes (kirsten-bayes) Thu 24 Jan 02 11:46
permalink #104 of 106: Kirsten Bayes (kirsten-bayes) Thu 24 Jan 02 11:46
Although this thread may have wound to a close, I felt I really had to post this. It's a formalised economic analysis of Norrath, the on-line world of Everquest. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=294828 It turns out, in real world, dollar terms, it has a higher GDP per head than China or India. Disturbing and fun. Thanks for a very thought-provoking discussion.
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Peter Ludlow: Crypto Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias
permalink #105 of 106: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Fri 25 Jan 02 15:25
permalink #105 of 106: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Fri 25 Jan 02 15:25
(As you'd expect from the conclusion, the paper makes some pretty silly assumptions.)
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Peter Ludlow: Crypto Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias
permalink #106 of 106: democracy being a left thing, anyway (ludlow) Tue 29 Jan 02 05:27
permalink #106 of 106: democracy being a left thing, anyway (ludlow) Tue 29 Jan 02 05:27
wowzers. Thanks for posting that link!
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