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permalink #76 of 228: (bratwood) Wed 16 Jan 02 07:03
permalink #76 of 228: (bratwood) Wed 16 Jan 02 07:03
I'm not sure I agree with generalization that Rhode Islanders don't like to travel. Seems like Adam is frequently reporting trips to the airport both for himself and his family and friends. If I ventured a guess about the obscurity of Rhode Island, I'd say that it simply lives in the shadow of the vastly popular Boston and New York. That wunder-burb location happens to be one of the things I adore about the state. You are close to all the benefits of east coast urban sophistication and far enough away to enjoy some beautiful scenery. Answering Patrizia's question from post <65>, here's a basic process: 1. Gather any and all research available for each of the subjects. Visits the sites, take your own photos, buy the books/reference materials, obtain physical objects where possible. example: For the lobster, Adam and I went down to a fishing village with his mother and had a tasty lobster dinner. His mother cleaned the shell carefully and then shipped it to me later. None of the photos I found had sufficient clarity in the head area, so I used the specimen for clarification of details. Adam and the spinner in the "textiles" section are the only live human models I had. We went to a historic recreation event and I photographed the spinner for reference. 2. After you have all the possibilities, sketch out each element modifying as needed by combining the best aspects of all references. 3. Scan all sketches and save a pict files for vector art drawings in Adobe Illustrator. 4. All elements are drawn individually in Illustrator and saved as line art (vector art images). 5. Compositions are developed through various trial-and-error attempts. You can compare the initial Kingscote to the final Kingscote composition to get an idea of the process. 6. Background details are added after major image components are assembled. For example, I just hinted at the cylindrical shape at the hub of the carousel rather than attempt to illustrate it realistically. The actual carousel is so busy with embellishment, you'd be drowning in detail had I not simplified it. 7. Once the composition is complete, it can be imported into Adobe Photoshop and rasterized (converted from line art to pixels). There I use the various brushes and tools to fill the contour lines with color. Photoshop is a great medium because of all the potential to experiment. I'm traditionally trained and can get these images together manually with ink and airbrush, but I would never be able to manage the range of color to the extent possible with digital color. Also, since I'm working with cmyk from the start, I don't face the disappointing conversion from pigment colors to printer's inks. I know exactly what I'm going to get long before the printer sees the job.
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permalink #77 of 228: D (bratwood) Wed 16 Jan 02 07:38
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permalink #78 of 228: Donna Atwood (bratwood) Wed 16 Jan 02 07:40
permalink #78 of 228: Donna Atwood (bratwood) Wed 16 Jan 02 07:40
(Another scribbled redundant post)
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permalink #79 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Wed 16 Jan 02 07:44
permalink #79 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Wed 16 Jan 02 07:44
Well, I do travel quite a bit, but I think I'm the exception, rather than the rule. Actually, I'd say that it's not that Rhode Islanders don't travel-- it's just that they don't travel IN-state.
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permalink #80 of 228: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 16 Jan 02 17:12
permalink #80 of 228: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 16 Jan 02 17:12
My grandmother was born in Providence. Just thought I'd mention. One thing about Rhode Island I'm curious about is why it, and Providence in particular, is known as the jewelry capital of the world. Any ideas?
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permalink #81 of 228: (bratwood) Wed 16 Jan 02 18:25
permalink #81 of 228: (bratwood) Wed 16 Jan 02 18:25
Yay! I wanted "Jewelry" to be our letter "J" (but lost that debate). I love jewelry. Adam's grandmother, now 101 years old, used to be a stringer of pearls in her youth. I think Rhode Island had lots of manufacturing centered in Providence, particularly costume jewelry. Adam is bound to have more details.
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permalink #82 of 228: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 16 Jan 02 23:35
permalink #82 of 228: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 16 Jan 02 23:35
My grandmother was a pearl knotter.
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permalink #83 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Thu 17 Jan 02 06:58
permalink #83 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Thu 17 Jan 02 06:58
That's what my grandmother did! She had a small company, (Woodman's=== She felt that Gertsacov was far too ethnic to do business, so she took her sister's husband's last name) She and her two sisters would sit all day stringing pearls. She was one of the tops in her business-- even up until she was 95 or so, some of the Jewelry companies would give her small jobs. Pearl stringing is kind of a dying art. My grandmother is 101 now, and as a matter of fact, last night I took her out for ice cream! She still lives by herself-- so pearl stringing might be the secret to longevity! As for Providence being the capital of Jewelry, even today, approximately 25% of all fashion jewelry (costume jewelry) is manufactured in Rhode Island. (I think at one time that number was as high as 50%) in the late 1700's, Nehemiah Dodge, a goldsmith from Providence, invented a method of gold-plating base metal. That became big business around here. Over 1000 manufacturers are currently based in Rhode Island, including big boys Swarovski, A.T. Cross, Quill, Tiffany, and Vargas. A skilled labor pool, and then the advent of more jewelry designers when RISD was created, kept the jewelry industry here. Although they never named it as such, Rhode Island could have been Rhinestone Valley (were it a valley!) Jewelry would have been a good thing to include for our J. (And indeed it was on there for a long time) But Johnnycakes are part of Rhode Island tradition (Roger Williams penned the first recipe for them in 1636)-- they are one of the unique Rhode Island foods. We had to make the more kid-friendly choice.
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permalink #84 of 228: David S. Greene (dsg) Thu 17 Jan 02 07:39
permalink #84 of 228: David S. Greene (dsg) Thu 17 Jan 02 07:39
What other potentially great choices ended up on the proverbial cutting room floor?
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permalink #85 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Thu 17 Jan 02 08:32
permalink #85 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Thu 17 Jan 02 08:32
Hey, we already fought those battles, and now you are bringing them up again! :o) Seriously, I want to be clear-- I don't see having to cut things that would have made good subjects as a loss, even though they may well have been worthy. The book as it stands has a great mix of cultural and natural history. Part of what makes it a good book is its brevity-- even if we had the extra 64 pages, thus doubling the book, that would have made the book very informative but too long (and also too expensive to produce, and less likely to make our money back) I think the book is the right length, and all of the subjects are worthy and the right subjects. We both had to make some compromises. That being said, there are lots of great topics in Rhode Island. Some of them were included in some way (either the introduction, or the timeline, or as part of one of the other subjects) Dorr Rebellion Triangle Slave Trade Piping Plover Independent Man Freedom of Religion Immigration Jewelry Harbor Seals The Otter Cumberlandite (the state mineral) Beavertail Lighthouse Newport Bridge Seagulls Woonsocket Rosecliff or The Elms (other Newport Mansions) These are just a few off the top of my head...
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permalink #86 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Thu 17 Jan 02 09:44
permalink #86 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Thu 17 Jan 02 09:44
And not book related, but in case you were interested.... I just had a little article about my flea circus in the Boston Phoenix: BITING ENTERTAINMENT Flea for all BY NINA WILLDORF If your idea of an entertaining Saturday-night activity is straining your eyes and getting itchy, you¹re in luck. Providence clown Adam Gertsacov will debut his flea circus (one of about five that perform worldwide) at Brookline¹s Puppet Showplace Theatre. That's right. Flea circus. You may have thought they went the route of bearded ladies and burlesque, but Gertsacov, who¹s been touring the country for the past five years with his two miniature stars, Midge and Madge, claims "there's kind of been a resurgence" of the Victorian-style side show. For the rest of the article, check out <http://shorterlink.com/?KZ3M13>
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permalink #87 of 228: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 17 Jan 02 10:04
permalink #87 of 228: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 17 Jan 02 10:04
Great stuff! I am enjoying this topic immensely. Reading your creative process makes me want to make coloring books, but since I don't have the time or the talent, I have a lot of hare-gbrained suggestions and questions instead. Forgive me, I can't help myself... Rhode Island is often used as a size-comparison reference in the western US, where spaces are wide-open. I remember when I lived and worked in Yosemite years ago it was one of the "bigger than" comparisons tour guides would use. So that made me think of parks. An alphabetical Yellowstone, Yosemite, Grand Canyon, etc series would be very cool, with your writing and illustrative comments. Animals, historic people, landmarks, recreational activities, plus the R for Ranger park stuff if you wished. Most parks have two kinds of bookstores, the Visitor Center run by the parks, and the concession gift chops. Getting into one or the other or both would be the goal, though there would be some additional interest in the bookstores of surrounding towns. And you might get to visit great places as part of the project. Just a fantasy. Count me among those who think your collaboration is very cool, and who hope you do more.
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permalink #88 of 228: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 17 Jan 02 10:09
permalink #88 of 228: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 17 Jan 02 10:09
I love knowing more about the jewelry business in Rhode Island, and I didn't realize all those companies were based there. Oooh. In fact, what I don't know about Rhode Island could fill a book!
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permalink #89 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Thu 17 Jan 02 10:43
permalink #89 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Thu 17 Jan 02 10:43
Not harebrained at all Gail. Actually, Yellowstone, Yosemite, Grand Canyon and lots of other places already have coloring books. It's true that Donna and I could probably make excellent coloring books, with a different spin than the ones currently out, about any of the national parks, but ours would probably cost more, take longer to sell through, and be in competition with a bunch of other products. There's one other coloring book about Rhode Island, but it's not a learning book, and it quite frankly stinks! It looks like the illustrations came out of the crackerjack box. It's one advantage is that it's $2.95. We don't feel it's competition to us-- we're a real book. Not every store will feel the same way, but enough do so that they are interested in continuing on. Our advantage in Rhode Island is that I'm local, there's nothing like it, and our price is right (and Rhode Island has a broad range of tourists) As for parks, there are professional interpreters who do little more than come up with titles and materials about the parks and the various educational stuff that goes on inside them. Donna is a member of the Professional Interpreter's Association (or whatever the title is) The National Association of Interpretation <http://www.interpnet.org/> I'm pretty sure that Donna was working on a Great Smoky Mountains title for a while, (it's one of the largest tourist parks after the Grand Canyon and Yosemite) She could probably talk more about the business end of doing parks.
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permalink #90 of 228: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 17 Jan 02 18:36
permalink #90 of 228: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 17 Jan 02 18:36
As a formerly rabid rubber-stamper, I know for a fact that reduced versions of the illustrations, and/or fragments of the illustrations would be well-received by rubber stamp enthusiasts.
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permalink #91 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Fri 18 Jan 02 08:06
permalink #91 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Fri 18 Jan 02 08:06
Hmmmm... rubber stamps, eh? (Sound of cash register clicking. Eyes turn to dollar bill signs. An "Ayuga" Car Horn Sound is heard.) Sounds interesting....
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permalink #92 of 228: David S. Greene (dsg) Fri 18 Jan 02 08:23
permalink #92 of 228: David S. Greene (dsg) Fri 18 Jan 02 08:23
Posters! Coffee mugs! Lunchboxes! Seriously, how much merchandising is reasonable for this project, and what might be a good, creative and alluring idea?
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permalink #93 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Fri 18 Jan 02 09:03
permalink #93 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Fri 18 Jan 02 09:03
Well, we could create a whole line-- but the question is, do we want to? Will it be worth it, not only from the financial perspective, but from a time perspective. I am not opposed to it-- and more than likely we will do something along those lines--- but truthfully, it comes down to "Do I want to be a publishing and gift store tycoon or do I want to be a clown/ artist?" Personally, I'm much more interested in creating cool projects than marketing the hell out of them, and if I have to toil in obscurity as a clown, then so be it! I know it doesn't seem that way, because I seem to market the hell out of things in general, and it seems like I must like it. It's not that I don't like marketing (it's fine) I just really would rather not have to do it. Sadly I realize that I must, and so I do as much as I can when I can.
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permalink #94 of 228: Gail Williams (gail) Fri 18 Jan 02 10:19
permalink #94 of 228: Gail Williams (gail) Fri 18 Jan 02 10:19
Eventually you may find established or independent publisher/distributors to take on the stuff that keeps you from doing more art. May it be more so every year, for the two of ya, for that matter.
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permalink #95 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Fri 18 Jan 02 12:15
permalink #95 of 228: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Fri 18 Jan 02 12:15
Yes I suppose. But most publishers wouldn't touch this market because it is too small... Not enough cash in it. It's enough cash for Donna and I because we don't have to support a gigantic infrastructure. We are small and nimble (which is kind of a pun, if you haven't met me. Nimble is not the word that you would choose to describe me.)
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permalink #96 of 228: Donna Atwood (bratwood) Fri 18 Jan 02 12:22
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permalink #97 of 228: Donna Atwood (bratwood) Fri 18 Jan 02 13:21
permalink #97 of 228: Donna Atwood (bratwood) Fri 18 Jan 02 13:21
Say it in a Monty Python voice: "Oh He's a Nimble One He Is!" Remarkably, independent publishers/distributors are difficult to come by and don't do the miracle job one might imagine. Working the market here in the Southwest for the past four years has made that clear to me. There are plenty of salespeople who really don't want to work their territory, they just want somebody to assign them a self-selling account (like "Beanie Babies" at the Zoo) and collect their commissions over leisurely lunches/afternoons at the golf course. Staying focused on creating and not getting sucked into the business miasma is a challenge for any artist.
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permalink #98 of 228: Donna Atwood (bratwood) Fri 18 Jan 02 13:23
permalink #98 of 228: Donna Atwood (bratwood) Fri 18 Jan 02 13:23
Um... Some technical bug reposts my entry if I hit "reload" in Netscape. Strange phenomenon.
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permalink #99 of 228: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 18 Jan 02 13:35
permalink #99 of 228: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 18 Jan 02 13:35
I don't know about that bug, but I will pass along your comments to helpdesk to see what they might know about it. Is there a way to license your work to someone else who might want to do the work for you?
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permalink #100 of 228: Donna Atwood (bratwood) Fri 18 Jan 02 13:48
permalink #100 of 228: Donna Atwood (bratwood) Fri 18 Jan 02 13:48
That's an idea I've been bouncing around for a while now. I've discussed it in depth with Scott and Nancy over at Adstock Stock Photography. They are geared for the best of Southwest photography and have been considering working with illustrators. http://www.adstockphotos.com Scott is an expert at licensing images and we both have a good relationship with Jordan Meschkow, a local attorney who specializes in intellectual property/contracts. Most agreements can be negotiated from some fairly established guidelines. Still, I'm not sure where I really want to go with that. I dread losing control of my images.
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