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permalink #1051 of 1963: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Tue 30 Jul 02 19:46
    
While I saw Tom Baker's Doctor first, I have to say that Troughton
(Third Doctor) and Davidson (Fifth Doctor and my personal fave) are my
faves, with McCoy (Seventh) being the nicest I have met (the man put
live ferrets down his trousers. What's not to love?) and Paul McGann
(Eight) being the sexiest. Never really cared for Pertwee (Third) and
never had a chance to ever see Hartnell (One).

However, gotta say, the Brig, Sarah Jane, and Romana (First)? Kickass
companions. I coulda lived without K-9 and Adric, but I'll always have
a soft spot for Tegan Jovanka...

When I was about 17, I took great pride in being able to name all the
actors who had played the Doctor. It was like beign able to remember
all 7 Dwarves... (You had to include Peter Cushing (movies) and
Hurndell (sp?) who played the First Doctor in "The Five Doctors" as
Hartnell had passed away, or else you didn't "win.")

Of course, when I was 17, I was writing "Robin of Sherwood" fanfic
pretty much 24/7, listening to a single lone Mister Mister tape in my
room for hours on end (it was the only cassette tape I owned--and my
only records? Monkees albums. I was a WEIRD kid), and had a bigger
comics collection than any boy I knew...

Hee hee! Geek pride!
  
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permalink #1052 of 1963: Rocky (rocky-nyc) Tue 30 Jul 02 20:35
    
Tara - I've always perceived that kind of "weirdness" a particular
characteristic of adolescence that one tends to appreciate as one gets
older. Looking back at the kid I was, loving comics, Greek tragedies,
romance and science fiction novels when most of the girls I knew
preferred Nancy Drew and Hardy Boy mysteries..I thank the gods for my
trend towards the strange and outrageous. Takes a lot when you're
forced to attend an all-girl Catholic high school. The tendencey
towards weirdness reinforced my individuality and molded me into the
kind of person I can live with. Truly. We geeks will inherit the earth.
  *evil grin*
  
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permalink #1053 of 1963: Just this guy (notshakespeare) Tue 30 Jul 02 20:39
    
I loved K-9 and Adric was someone I could relate to.  I watched way to
much Tom Baker though, and I don't go out of my way to watch him now
on PBS.  From Davidson on though, I have to watch for the few episodes
I still haven't seen.

Speaking of authors and certain ages, it took me years growing up to
figure out that Asimov's ideas were better than his characterizations. 
I think reading _I, Robot_ probably encouraged me to end up as a
programmer.

- Glen
  
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permalink #1054 of 1963: Kristina. Spelled with a (orangefae) Tue 30 Jul 02 20:48
    
Skiffy...heeheehee.

Heh- Mary- nice to hear that I'm not the only one who falls a little
to hard into books. ^_~ Course I'm learning that Mr. Ford's writing
does that to a person. I'm nearly done with Dragon. Just a chapter or
two and it's on to the next adventure! 

Oh! Everyone's being slippery tonight! I Get that part about
adolelescence Rocky. ^_^ Reading Brian Jaques was my high point in 4th
grade. Then I went on to Jurassic Park while most of the girls were
still obsessed with Babysitter's club.

Have yet to read Asimov...

I just got Nick Bantok's "Forgetting Room" in the mail today in
beautiful condition. I feel so rich with all these wonderful new books
to go to!

I found treasure in Central Park today. It's a simple little wooden
flute with some delicate leafy painted designs on it and the letter "c"
painted near the mouth piece area. I'm convinced it was a gift from
the faeries and put it in a place of honor in my room. ^_^

Off to dreamland.

Quote O' the Day:
"A bird does not sing because it has an answer. It sings because it
has a song." 
Chinese Proverb 

Kristina
  
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permalink #1055 of 1963: Tracey woh still has all her original parts (jinx) Tue 30 Jul 02 22:10
    
I have to agree with streak on the Xanth novels. I read them at about
the same age, but I read them for two reasons, the puns, and for a
break between Bradbury, Heinlien, and Asimove. I needed something
lighter.

Maure, Belated congrats on the new place, you'll have to send me your
new snail mail for the forethcoming housewarming pressie.
I've made a vow to get better at my snail mail corspondance.
Oh and I infected Bejeweled on afng I think. :)

Tara, Davidson was my favorite as well, and I started watching "All
Creatures Great and Small" cause he was on it. And I still have all my
Monkee's LP's and have them all thanks to garage sales.

On the heath front, apparently I have the wrong sort of pain for
gallstones and it's off for a new round of tests.

Jinx/Tracey/Hey you 

Kristina, I know that most females get into comics through Sandman,
and pardon me Neil for this is no slight whatso ever, but I wish that
more women would just go into comic stores period! :sigh: I've just
been missing my store as of late I guess.

Mary, moving to Connecticut, you'll have to let me show you around.
:amazed that a Wellian will be in her neck of the woods:
  
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permalink #1056 of 1963: Maure Luke (maureluke) Tue 30 Jul 02 23:14
    
Gahan Wilson is charming, just charming. I loved listening to him.

I've never seen Dr. Who. I spent most of my childhood at football
games (my father is a coach), huddled at the bottom of a sleeping bag,
reading Nancy Drew with a flashlight. I loved Nancy Drew books. I was
one of Those Girls, I'm afraid (Disney and Nancy Drew -- although I
harbored a secret fantasy fetish and read all the Anne McCaffrey I
could get my hands on, and was given King's It to read when I was
eleven by my deviant mother, to whom I am forever grateful). I thought
I hated science fiction, and refused to read Harlan Ellison for years
because people told me he wrote science fiction. Still not overly fond
of space opera, but have learned not to rely on the pigeonholes in
which writers are wedged. 

Jinx,  thank you very much! oh no! really, it's not necessary, but how
sweet of you! and Was that you?? I was bejeweled-obsessed for months.
I mildly hate my LCS, and can't wait to move into the city so I have
more choice in stores. I miss going into comic shops.

Maure, looking for a recording of the Mercury Theater's 1938 Sherlock
Holmes broadcast, and not having much luck.
  
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permalink #1057 of 1963: Chris Carroll (marvy) Wed 31 Jul 02 04:47
    
Funny, I've only seen one Dr. Who, the guy with the fuzzy mini afro and
giant scarf (or did they all have giant scarves?). I went to netflix to add
some to my list, searched on Dr. Who. Only two dvds, with some weird other
Dr. Who that wasn't the one I remembered. But then they did that thing about
"other dvds you might like". Turns out most of them are called Doctor Who,
only the first two are Dr. Go figure.
  
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permalink #1058 of 1963: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Wed 31 Jul 02 09:29
    
Hey is anyone here going to ComicCon?  It looks like I might be going
thanks to my work (talk about last minute).  Anyway, just curious...is
it worth it?  Should I go?

-Adriana "don't bother me, I'm sucked into Kavalier and Clay" Roze
  
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permalink #1059 of 1963: meg (siozie) Wed 31 Jul 02 12:10
    
Maure - Don't worry, you weren't the only one who was reading Nancy
Drew! My mother had four or five of the ones she had when she was a
kid, that she gave me when I was 8 or 9. That is what started my
rare/old book fetish, and it got me into 40's era girl detective
novels. There were a few others I acquired over the years, but I don't
have them anymore, and sadly can't recall the names. I just loved Nancy
Drew, though. It is still a goal of mine to collect an entire set of
the 40's publications. 

I still like Disney, too. Disney was always big in our house, my mom
loved Disney movies, and I used to watch the short cartoons on cable
after school. My childhood was mostly filled with books, and cartoons
:)
  
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permalink #1061 of 1963: Dodge (hnowell) Wed 31 Jul 02 13:08
    
My sister was a big Nancy Drew fan so natch, I read all her books. Me,
I collected Cherry Ames. But then I got into SF and Agatha Christi and
Ellery Queen and well, it seems I'll read anything you put in front of
me. Voraciously.
  
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permalink #1062 of 1963: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Wed 31 Jul 02 14:38
    
Thanks for the tip, DanGuy.  Looks like I'm going to go, on Saturday
at least.  This is my very first foray into the world of Cons.  This
year I went to my first Renn Faire too.  Have I gone completely mad? 
What next?  Do I even want to know?

-Adriana "don't you dare tell me the ending of Kavalier and Clay since
I haven't finished it yet" Roze
  
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permalink #1063 of 1963: Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Wed 31 Jul 02 17:47
    
Maure: My mom read us the first 3 Nancy Drews when I was about 6, and
I was a psycho fan until I was about 12, when I discovered YA fantasy
novels...


I think at abotu age 14, i read a bunch of Xanth novels, but really
past the first two or three, didn't find them as fun or as funny. And I
was never sure I liked how he wrote the girls in them. Of course, I
sorta feel the same way about Spider's Callahan's Place stories--love
love love the bar, but Spider's girls never quite seem as real as the
guys, to me.

jinx: I got into the Campion mystery series because of Davidson as
well--and Margery Allingham is a fave, tho I admit I never got into any
of the other detective fiction of that type, tho I am a rabid, rabid
Chandler fan.

I actually was into Superhero comics frm age 11 or so on--I remember
reading comics in rotaing racks at the Waldens down the street from my
father's office, and at the Dominicks. I specifically rememebr reading
Titans because I remembered Deborah WInger as Wonder Girl from the
1970s ABC Wonder Woman series. I started reading Wonder Woman when DC
relaunched it in 1987 or so, and that really was sorta my gateway to
teh whole DC superhero book thing--I as reading almost all their
mainstream superhero titles by the time I graduated high school. 

I picked up Sandman because I'd read and loved and adored Black Orchid
and I think Arkham Asylum, and Dave's covers caught my eye. I started
reading Hellblazer after falling in love with Constantine in Books of
Magic.

I also went to an all girls Catholic school, and boy oh boy, did being
a comics freak cause me no end of grief. But as surreal as it was,
being usually the lone girl in my local direct sales store (Larry's on
Devon? Not a happy place for teenage girls.) I lucked out when I found
COmcis For Heroes about a half-mile from my house. It was run by a
wonderful woman named Linda Schein and her daughetrs and son--I even
worked there for a summer when I was 15. I adored it, and once my
mother was convinvced it wasn't an opium den (she had reservations
becasue you couldn't see in the windows) I was dutifully dropped off
there--or allowed to walk there--every Wed. night to get the new books.

Adriana Roze: yay! which faire did you go see? Were there Swordsmen? I
think Bolt Upright's home faire is Northern CA. I've heard for a tent
faire, it's fun--tho it survives solely on the funds from Bristol, and
makes almost no money of its own... I did learn that Wil Wheaton worked
one of the CA faires for a while; that kinda entertains me bigly.
  
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permalink #1064 of 1963: Maure Luke (maureluke) Wed 31 Jul 02 19:52
    
Meg, Dodge, Tara,  That's right! Nancy Drew readers of the WELL unite!

Tara,  my mom thought my first job was at an opium den, too! Isn't it
funny how moms think? I mean, in my case, she was right . . . but . . .
::cough::

Dodge, I'm with you on the reading voraciously -- rapaciously even --
but there's two books I cannot finish for the life of me: Hesse's Glass
Bead Game, and Baker's The Fermata. I despise the Glass Bead Game, and
won't pick it up again if I can help it. The Fermata I pick up every
other week or so, read three pages, and put it down again. I actually
enjoy it while I'm reading it, but when I put it down, I am completely
disinterested in continuing. But then, I'm flighty.
  
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permalink #1065 of 1963: I be Kristina (orangefae) Wed 31 Jul 02 19:56
    
Wow- I really missed out on the whole comic book thing growing up. (I
think it was one of the many things my dad dissaproved of along with
Ren and Stimpy, Simpsons, and Nintendo. Too many things to keep track
of really...) Thank god for ex-boyfriend comic book geeks though! Where
would I be without them.

Adriana- glad you enjoyed the Faire!!! How big was it- and what kind
of shows did it have? I'm really loving the NY Ren-fair. (course I
didn't have much choice as I've never been to one before this. Yet one
more thing Montana lacked)And ours is one of those really cool ones
where they've built an entire village in this gorgeous forest valley.
(I've probably mentioned that, but I don't care. It's still neat!) My
goal is to see how many people I can get to baa like sheep at the Queen
this weekend. Did yours have a whole backstory and plot and
everything? And what kind of characters did it have? 

And as I never can resist an opportunity to plug my show. All you New
Yorkers- if you have a free Saturday or Sunday hoof it on up to the New
York Rennaissance faire in Tuxedo Park! I guarantee you'll be
righteously entertained. I'll be the red-head with the sheep always
looking for the Archbishop of Canterbury. (and I can get free tickets.
wink, wink, nudge, nudge)



Orange Fae's Quote O' the Day:
"Courage does not always roar. Sometimes courage is the small, quiet
voice at the end of the day saying, "I will try again tomorrow."
-Anonymous

Kristina, who prays that she will fall into a time loop while she is
sleeping and actually get a decent night's rest for once.

Maure- You opium peddlers are so slippery! ^_~ I know how you feel.
I'm the same way with Dracula. But I think I repeat myself
again...maybe I am in a time loop already.
  
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permalink #1066 of 1963: Maure Luke (maureluke) Wed 31 Jul 02 20:04
    
Not only am I flighty, I'm a jinx it seems. Gothic.net bought a poem I
submitted to them -- it was my first poem sale. Not a week after it is
posted, there's an editorial hinting that gothic.net is going the way
of the beloved dodo bird. So for my first poem sale, I may not actually
get paid. Am I still a professional?

And speaking of being a pro, is Pro out yet? Tara, you'd know I think.
I should just call you and ask.

Ha! Who's slippery now? It's the orange faery. I never really enjoyed
Dracula, either, Kristina. Vampires always were my ultimate favorite
monster (ask my mom what I wanted to be when I grew up), but Dracula's
problem I think is that Stoker's voice is exactly the same for every
character. I'll read halfway through a chapter and unless I
particularly noted the name of the chapter (whose journal it is), I'll
have to go back to find out, or go through a painful process of
elimination (now who is not being talked about at all? could it be . .
.). 
  
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permalink #1067 of 1963: John M. Ford (johnmford) Wed 31 Jul 02 22:27
    
Chris -- the name of the series was always "Doctor Who," no
abbreviation.  I would guess that one of those DVDs is the first
feature film, which -was- released (at least in the USA) which was
released (at least in the USA) as "Dr. Who and the Daleks."  Peter
Cushing played the Doctor there, and in one sequel, but never on TV.

The Doctor you're remembering was Tom Baker, the fourth actor in the
part (not counting Cushing).  he was the first in that particular
outfit, with the scarf, though it survived (with variations) for the
rest of the show's run (three more actors).  Baker's the actor most
Americans identify with the part, which I think is a matter of viewers
identifying the part with whoever they saw first; the show was first
aired widely in America during Baker's tenure, though it had appeared
in limited areas before then.  (I saw Jon Pertwee, Baker's immediate
predecessor, first, on Chicago PBS.)  Of course, I also think the show
was at its peak of writing during the Baker period (others may
violently disagree), which wouldn't hurt with the imprinting.

Popular culture studies: the medieval monasticism of the new century.
  
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permalink #1068 of 1963: Tracey (jinx) Wed 31 Jul 02 22:49
    
Dodge, was Cherry Ames the nurse in training? I seem to rememebr that,
I was not so much a Nancy Drew fan, as a Bobbsie Twins fan, I had them
from the 1920's, in fact still do. I love them. I also loved a series
about children who lived in a boxcar, I think it was "Thr Boxcar
Children"

John, I lived in Elgin at the time Jon Pertwee became the Doctor, and
having missed several episodes, and being too young to get the whole
point I was mad, I liked Baker. I think it was chanel 2?

Opium den,..well I was walking home from one of my first jobs and
literally bumped into my old boss, and helped him pickup all the stuff
I'd knocked out of his arms and the next thing I know I got a job. I
started when I was 16, and managed a store by 20 or so. Damn that no
insurance thing, or I'd still be a comic goddess
  
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permalink #1069 of 1963: Tree--dusting off the virtual cobwebs (jinx) Wed 31 Jul 02 23:19
    
Glen/Notshakespeare--Are you saying that Terry Nation and Douglas
Adams are one and the same? Which would mean then that the children's
book I'm looking for "Rebecca's World" by Terry Nation is actually a
Douglas Adams book?

No wonder it's so damn scarce and expensive...

Tree
Trying to recapture a bit of her childhood.
  
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permalink #1070 of 1963: too many posts! (miss-mousey) Thu 1 Aug 02 01:05
    
jinxie - Damnit! I *knew* that evil little Bejewelled thing was your
fault. Which means I guess I still have to get Maure back somehow. ;)

wrt childhood geekery - My main geek factor was that I was born and
raised in rural Washington state, and then moved to a California city.
Apparently that made me the biggest 'hick' in most of my classes...
which I find funny when you consider how many people at my former
'hick' school turned out to be cool (does anyone here even listen to
Sleater Kinney?). 

As for books growing up? Couldn't stand any of them. Would only just
barely tolerate the colour fairy books. When I finally did start
finding books I actually liked, it was all Anne McCaffrey and
Shakespeare. Then anything that required most high school students to
have a dictionary nearby was fine. To this day I blame my father for my
Neil-stuff addiction. One seemingly normal day he brought home a
hardbound copy of the Dark Knight Returns and loaned it to me. I think
I actually wandered into my first comic shop the next week. Took years
for me to get into a habit of buying anything there, but Daddio put the
bug in me.

squeaks, who read the above 'tickets' as 'chickens'. ?
  
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permalink #1071 of 1963: Chris Carroll (marvy) Thu 1 Aug 02 04:57
    
Ah. Thanks for the Doctor Who edification, Tom.
  
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permalink #1072 of 1963: Glen Seymour (notshakespeare) Thu 1 Aug 02 08:40
    
Actually, it appears that I have been misinformed.

Terry Nation is really Terry Nation - and not a made up person at all.
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/N/htmlN/nationterry/nationterry.htm

David Agnew is a pen name for Graham Williams and Douglas Adams who
wrote City of Death and The Invasion of Time (Dr Who episodes).

Douglas Adams is credited The Pirate Planet and Shada (more Dr Who
episodes) and for being script editor for the 17th season.
  
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permalink #1073 of 1963: Dodge (hnowell) Thu 1 Aug 02 08:43
    
Yeah, Cherry Ames was the nurse. And, hey! Bobbsey Twins! Yes. Read
those also. 

My fave comics was Wonder Woman and Aquaman - the old one with the
blonde guy not the new one with the black haired guy. That kind of
dates me I know... But then my mom wouldn't let me do any more comic
book stuff and besides I got heavily into reading SF books then and
dropped it. My son was into comic books and I still have some of his
which I guess I should put out onto EBay now.
  
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permalink #1074 of 1963: la belle dame avec dictionnaire Francais-Anglais... and Tim Tams (miss-mousey) Thu 1 Aug 02 11:41
    
If it makes you feel any better, I didn't even *know* Aquaman stopped
having blonde hair. And I've managed to unintentionally remind myself
that I need to get the rest of the Dark Knight Returns 2 for so my
daddio can finish reading it (mostly I'm just hoping I'll force him
back into the comic shops - seems only fair considering how much he's
cost me there ;P).

squeaks, eating Tim Tams for breakfast
  
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