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permalink #76 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:21
permalink #76 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:21
All right, Mr. or Ms. First You Steal, I'll admit that pkrassner@earthlink.net is indeed pkrassner@earthlink.net, but how were you able to respond to my question [what's the context of 'first you steal a bicycle?'] BEFORE I asked it, with your answer [slippage, with the real goods]? an electronic time warp!
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permalink #77 of 301: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:25
permalink #77 of 301: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:25
Haven't heard that one. But I get your website just fine at http://www.paulkrassner.com/ The Homer Simpson intro and Fox's reaction is funny, or funny business anyway.
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permalink #78 of 301: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:29
permalink #78 of 301: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:29
(I just had slippage, posting a reply to #75 while you were finishing and posting #76, messing up the context of "I haven't heard that one." Which was me thinking about whether there was a bike joke like that in circulation. The use of nicknames or "pseuds" in the name field is an old WELL tradition, and often found word fragments, quotes or slogans are used there. When you are logged in, you can always click on the login name to find the poster's read name anyway, so people play around with it.)
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permalink #79 of 301: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:31
permalink #79 of 301: Gail Williams (gail) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:31
That's Real name. I have a bad case of the typos today. End WELL cultural trivia digression from me, anyway.
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permalink #80 of 301: BJ Castleman (bluecat-sings) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:31
permalink #80 of 301: BJ Castleman (bluecat-sings) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:31
more on Jesus and Christians. (My friend calls them Xians.) I'm paraphrasing from his last book, but Kinky Friedman says that Jesus was but the first in a long line of great Jewish troublemakers.
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permalink #81 of 301: "First you steal a bicycle...." (rik) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:33
permalink #81 of 301: "First you steal a bicycle...." (rik) Mon 9 Dec 02 16:33
Email being composed re my pseud.
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permalink #82 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Mon 9 Dec 02 18:36
permalink #82 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Mon 9 Dec 02 18:36
Wow, Paulsie. Couldn't even get your own e-mail addy right. You hittin' the kush today?
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permalink #83 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Mon 9 Dec 02 18:37
permalink #83 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Mon 9 Dec 02 18:37
Maybe you got cerebral Paulsie.
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permalink #84 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Mon 9 Dec 02 20:12
permalink #84 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Mon 9 Dec 02 20:12
Kush? I wish. I do plan to try salvia, though. [No, Gail, that's not a typo.]
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permalink #85 of 301: -N. (streak) Mon 9 Dec 02 20:48
permalink #85 of 301: -N. (streak) Mon 9 Dec 02 20:48
Salvia's not bad, actually. Inexpensive, nice mellow feeling, doesn't give me a headache like weed does. Apparently the hallucinogenic effects are more efficiently experienced via certain concentrated extracts you can buy. Can't afford any right now, though. Anyway, Mr. Krassner, there's a story I occasionally tell about you, but I'm fairly sure that I've got some serious detail drift in the version I tell, because I've long since forgotten where I first read it. Any chance I could get set straight on what happened? Version I tell is that, supposedly, in 1974, you were having a novel serialized in the Whole Earth Catalog. Then Nixon resigned, Ford became President, promptly pardoned Nixon, and you were quite sensibly upset. In celebration, you polished off your entire stash of pure THC, and wound up in the hospital, raving paranoid, convinced that Stewart Brand (my father, the discussion of which fact is what usually leads to this story in the first place) had changed the ending of your novel without telling you, and was lying when he insisted he hadn't. So did that, in any useful sense, happen?
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permalink #86 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Mon 9 Dec 02 21:12
permalink #86 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Mon 9 Dec 02 21:12
By the way, Krass, I saw that book you referenced earlier on this list, "The Tipping Point", referenced on the Common Dreams website in an essay about how to stay sane and fight the good fight while the millionaire hawks conquer Planet Earth. Evidently "The Tipping Point" has reached its' tipping point. You've authored or edited ten books. I'm not the kind of guy who normally asks how the latest Brad Pitt movie's doing at the box office, but out of curiosity, what was your best selling book? I don't care about numbers, but having read every tome with your name on the cover ever published, I'm wondering which was most popular. "Irony Lives!" is your fifth CD. Between the books, CDs, live appearances from comedy/teach-ins/TV/rallies/bris'(sp?), and editing The Realist for forty or so years on-and-off, you're incredibly prolific. You are a one-human refutation of the amotivational syndrome attributed to potheads, as well cognitive impairment (with the exception of your inability to remember your e-mail address). "Hi, my name is Paul Krassner, author, comedian and investigative satirist. I've [repeat above resume] since the 1950s. for most of those years I've also smoked marijuana and the worst side effect is midnight fridge binging. So what do ya say, America? It's time to legalize. I'm Paul...uh, Paul...mmmm, Paul...don't tell me...Paul...KRASSNER! for NORML".
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permalink #87 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Mon 9 Dec 02 21:45
permalink #87 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Mon 9 Dec 02 21:45
Here's my version of that story: Actually, there are two unrelated stories. Story #1: At the time Stewart Brand and I were roommates in San Francisco, I had been er uh experimenting with a white powder that was supposed to be pure THC. On the night that a satirical troupe, The Committee, was doing their final performance, I snorted the remainder of my stash and passed out. Stewart brought me to a hospital with the aid of a couple of students from the nearby Zen Center. Story #2: In 1972 I had a psychotic freakout from information overload as I was investigating conspiracies ranging from JFK to Charles Manson. In 1974, partially triggered by Gerald Ford and Nelson Rockefeller becoming the non-elected president and vice-president, I had a slight relapse and didn't know who to trust. In such a paranoid state, one tries to build a rationale, and mine was that Stewart --who was serializing Tongue Fu (my media fable/New Age satire about a man who had a 15-inch tongue and went to a summer camp for gurus) in Co-Evolution Quarterly, and then interspersed throughout the Whole Earth Catalog--had changed the ending. I had learned to confront my fear, so I took a bus to Sausalito, checked out the boards, and my ending was intact. I had called my own psyche's bluff.
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permalink #88 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Mon 9 Dec 02 21:53
permalink #88 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Mon 9 Dec 02 21:53
To Simmons: My bestselling book was my autobiography, Confessions of a Raving, Unconfined Nut: Misadventures in the Counter-Culture. It sold 30,000 copies. It might have gone higher, but my publisher, Simon & Schuster, released Howard Stern's Private Parts at the same time, and you can guess which book they promoted. I asked a bookstore clerk if there was anything the buyers of Stern's book had in common. "Yes," was the reply, "they can't read." Ironically, that's true of me. I CAN read, but I'm basically illiterate. As Norman Mailer once said, "I'm a writer, but not a reader." But he lied. And I'm not really prolific so much as the King of Re-Hash. I'm working now on my long awaited [by me] first novel, and have another couple in mind. I told a novelist friend, "It's hard to write fiction; you have to make stuff up." He replied, "Paul, you've been making up stuff all your life." "Yes," I said, "but that was journalism."
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permalink #89 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Tue 10 Dec 02 02:00
permalink #89 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Tue 10 Dec 02 02:00
Are your second and third currently-unwritten novels going to be re-hashes of your first novel? Everyone knows that Picasso quote: "Bad artists borrow, great artists steal". You merely steal from yourself.
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permalink #90 of 301: excessively heterosexual (saiyuk) Tue 10 Dec 02 03:32
permalink #90 of 301: excessively heterosexual (saiyuk) Tue 10 Dec 02 03:32
Just to make jenslobodin jealous: I have -- right now, on my desk -- my original copy of the May, 1967, issue of the Realist, with "The Parts That Were Left Out of the Kennedy Book" and the Wally Wood/Disney illustration. If you're very nice, you may touch the frayed and filthy hem of my garment. Paul, I've obviously been reading you for a *very* long time. I think I was twelve when my brother -- later some kind of fundamentalist -- came home from Columbia and described the REalist in negative terms that were sure to fire up my enthusiasm. I think he described you as "overly cynical." I have no idea what he meant. Hi, Michael! ("Mikey"?)
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permalink #91 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Tue 10 Dec 02 07:10
permalink #91 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Tue 10 Dec 02 07:10
Actually, my second novel-to-be will be about the making of a porn movie for senior citizens, titled Gum Job; it was originally a kind of playlet in the first issue of Kesey's mag, Spit in the Ocean. The third novel-to-be is still being formulated in the cusp between my subconscious and conscious...
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permalink #92 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Tue 10 Dec 02 07:17
permalink #92 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Tue 10 Dec 02 07:17
Hey, Excessively...what's a jenslobovin? Yeah, that issue brought circulation of The Realist to 100,000, and was estimated to reach maybe a few million with pass-on readership, libraries, word-of-mouth...the JFK piece became a street rumor and is now an urban myth...not bad for a piece of underground satire...but I never thought of myself as cynical...realistic, yes...I always felt as if I was fighting the cynicism of politics, culture and organized religion by serving as a vehicle to laugh at 'em...
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permalink #93 of 301: David Gans (tnf) Tue 10 Dec 02 09:35
permalink #93 of 301: David Gans (tnf) Tue 10 Dec 02 09:35
> I told a novelist friend, "It's hard to write fiction; you have to make > stuff up." He replied, "Paul, you've been making up stuff all your life." > "Yes," I said, "but that was journalism." Just wanted to hear that again. I love it.
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permalink #94 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Tue 10 Dec 02 10:58
permalink #94 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Tue 10 Dec 02 10:58
To Saiyuk: Hey AK! Call Natalie. She's worried about you. And yes, your dog and I share the same nickname. Just don't try and leash me. Cynicism is in the eye of the beholder. If you don't believe that Wall Street or the Pentagon are omniscient, then according to many you are "cynical". I would propose that they're cynical about utopia.
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permalink #95 of 301: Howard Rheingold (hlr) Tue 10 Dec 02 12:17
permalink #95 of 301: Howard Rheingold (hlr) Tue 10 Dec 02 12:17
A little off-topic, but I thought this might be some good Krassner fodder: A self-described fascist with strong credentials -- or so he claims -- voices his strong objections to the direction the Bush administration is taking the US. <http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1548417.php>
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permalink #96 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Tue 10 Dec 02 14:22
permalink #96 of 301: Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Tue 10 Dec 02 14:22
Hi, Howard--I will check out that fodder, thanks...for now let me just say that among the e-mails I regularly get spammed with is a right-wing militia-type list-serve which is very much against invading Iraq. It would be interesting to see if some kind of alliance could develop between radicals at both ends of the spectrum.
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permalink #97 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Tue 10 Dec 02 14:27
permalink #97 of 301: Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Tue 10 Dec 02 14:27
Wow. Thanks, Howard. That reads like one of Krassner's investigative satires.
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permalink #98 of 301: Chuck Charlton (chuck) Tue 10 Dec 02 16:03
permalink #98 of 301: Chuck Charlton (chuck) Tue 10 Dec 02 16:03
If you off-WELL readers with questions are getting bounce messages from your email, try mailto:inkwell-hosts@well.com (there was a typo in <56.>)
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permalink #99 of 301: pointy, but rarely undeservedly savage (vard) Tue 10 Dec 02 22:13
permalink #99 of 301: pointy, but rarely undeservedly savage (vard) Tue 10 Dec 02 22:13
DAMN I wish the Counterculture Hall of Fame were an actual physical structure one could visit. I'd hit the gift shop first.
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permalink #100 of 301: the newly locked-down Table Talk (silly) Wed 11 Dec 02 02:32
permalink #100 of 301: the newly locked-down Table Talk (silly) Wed 11 Dec 02 02:32
Declare a Victorian building in Haight Ashbury a historic site and build it there. Grab a dayglo paint bucket and pitch in!
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